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Islam and Violence

By resistance follow resistance   2007 Sep 11, 1:35am 391,195 views   1,640 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      

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A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

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1601   Bitcoin   ignore (16)   2021 Jun 8, 1:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
richwicks says
The boomer generation sold out the entire nation for their comfort. Generation X (of which I'm part) isn't much goddamned better.

Don't forget the "greatest" generation. They did some pretty heinous shit to Miss Liberty.

Millennials (of which I'm part) will save the US. We invest in crypto and new tech. We are open to new ideas and will digitalize money/assets. Also, we will make sure to keep the US safe from muslim terrorism.
1602   Hircus   ignore (0)   2021 Jun 17, 2:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

School board member encourages high schoolers to remember 'jihad' as they 'enter a world of white supremacy and capitalism' during graduation speech - 14 years after her father was fired for using the word

Watch her face. When she says it in english, shes neutral faced when she says the word "struggle". Then when she says it in arabic, and calls for jihad, she uncontrollably smiles. She's so proud that shes rallying the troops against the infidel.
1603   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Jun 25, 4:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag

Three people have been killed and several wounded in a stabbing attack in the southern German town of Würzburg, Bavarian authorities said on Friday afternoon, adding that police had stopped the suspected perpetrator with a shot to the leg.

The suspected attacker is believed to be a 24-year-old Somali man who has lived in Würzburg since 2015, Bavarian interior minister Joachim Herrmann said in a statement.

And from Reuters:

Wuerzburg, an ancient city of 130,000 people some 100 km (62 miles) south-east of Frankfurt, was five years ago the scene of a knife attack on a train by a 17-year-old Pakistani asylum seeker in which five people were injured, two seriously.

Video of the Muslim with the knife:
1605   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Jun 28, 8:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, but unlike Christians, Muslims do fight for their faith. Christians could learn a lesson here too.

Today government doesn’t try to push gay shit on Muslim kids because getting shot in retaliation, but Christians they fuck.
1606   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Jun 28, 9:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“Islam is a peaceful religion.”
They’ll tell you that straight to your face.
And they’ll swear that it’s true,
Unless, of course, you
Aren’t a Muslim, then it’s not the case.

Sunnis, they all hate the Shiites.
The Shiites hate Sunnis as well.
But there’s no debating,
When it comes to hating,
They both hate the damned Infidel.

Just who is an Infidel, really?
It’s you and your kids and your mom.
If you’ve an aversion
To enforced conversion
You’re targets to “peaceful Islam”.

“Islam is a peaceful religion.”
We hear it all night on TV.
Each time that it’s said
We can count on more dead,
Who are peaceful as peaceful can be.

“Death!” cries the “peaceful religion”.
They shout it ‘til they’re out of breath.
“Death to the Hindu!”
And “Death to the Jew!”
And “Death to America! Death!”

“It’s just a small group of fanatics.”
We’re told after each new assault.
“Ignore those who rant.
Heed not those who chant.
And, besides, it’s America’s fault.”

“Islam is a peaceful religion.”
With hypnotic rhetoric they
Continue to gull us,
To soothe and to lull us
Until that “most glorious day”

When Islam, the “peaceful religion”
Has forced the free world to its knees
And the masks they now wear
From their faces they tear
And we see the true face of disease.

“Islam is a peaceful religion.”?
How long must we live with this lie?
It’s time for the Free
To rise up and decree:
“Our Liberty shall never die!”

We must tell this “peaceful religion”
Our tolerance is at an end.
We’ve been patient and kind
But you’re going to find
We won’t break just because we can bend.

1607   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Jun 28, 11:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fortwaynemobile says
government doesn’t try to push gay shit on Muslim kids

Any Muslim kids in American public schools will get the same gayness indoctrination I think.

But it is a good point that all sane people have natural allies with the Muslims on this one issue at least.

Corporations do not push gayness in Muslim countries. They deliberately hide their propaganda there:

1608   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Jul 2, 11:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Fortwaynemobile says
government doesn’t try to push gay shit on Muslim kids

Muslims put up a fight because their religious ideology motivates them to do so. Americans don't fight because their bellies are full.
1609   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Jul 2, 12:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I think that's true.
1610   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Jul 3, 4:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Man Screaming ‘Allahu Akbar’ Stabs 3 to Death, Says It’s His ‘Jihad,’ Cops Search for Motive

Happened again:

Boston: A Man Named Khaled Awad Viciously Stabs Rabbi In Broad Daylight, Cops Search for Motive
1611   Bitcoin   ignore (16)   2021 Jul 16, 12:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

On an American Airlines flight it was mandated everyone wears their fuckin mask.

Guess who didnt wear a mask and was just ignored?

Yep, you got it....muslim bitches. Liberals dont mind muslims not wearing masks.....but bad white racist Americans.....Oh you better wear your masks!

1613   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 5, 10:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag

Fulani Muslims attack several Christian villages in Nigeria: 50 slaughtered, many more injured; 102 homes destroyed
1615   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 4, 11:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The tenet of Islam which says that in a country which is not under Muslim rule, wherever there is a conflict between Muslim law and the law of the land, the former must prevail over the latter, and a Muslim will be justified in obeying the Muslim law and defying the law of the land. - B. R. Ambedkar, Pakistan Or The Partition Of India, a collection of his writings and speeches, first published in 1940, with subsequent editions in 1945 and 1946
1616   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 4, 11:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Gabbar, just cracking a new book by Holland called "Shadow of the Sword" where the operating thesis is that Islam/Quran is mostly apologetics for Arab Attacks and Conquest of Persian/Roman Territory written long after any Mohammed by Arab Caliphs.
1617   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 4, 3:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here's a story, of a Muslim Family, living in Arizona Every Day. Meet the 50-year old father, trying to Honor Kill his Daughter, doo dee doo doo ...The Muslim Bunch!

e their Muslim faith.

The woman, who is 20 weeks pregnant, told police she was afraid her relatives will kill her because they believe she has brought dishonor to the family, detectives wrote in a probable cause statement filed in Maricopa County Superior Court following the arrests on Thursday. Police believe the family wanted to send the victim back to Iraq, authorities wrote.

In court records, detectives describe accusations of threats and assaults, most recently at a medical building in Avondale last week. Police said the relatives took the woman’s cell phone and purse, along with her boyfriend’s gun, during a "violent assault." The woman grabbed onto a responding officer, pleading "please, don’t let them take me," according to court records.

In a statement released on Aug. 27, police identified the suspects as:

Ali Alfartousi, 33
Bashir Alfartousi, 36
Fares Alfartousi, 63
Souad Alfartousi, 59
Yaser Alfartousi, 35
Zahraa Alfartousi, 31

Of the suspects, court documents identified Fares as the victim's father, Souad as the victim's mother, Ali, Bashir and Yaser as the victim's brothers, and Zahraa as the victim's sister. The suspects are described as traditional Muslims.

The Brothers also threatened the American Fiance with the kidnapping and rape of his 15-year old younger sister if he did not return his Girlfriend to the Family.

Bonus: Iraqi Refugees.

Double Bonus: Almost every one of the half dozen family members, including Mother, Adult Children, have been arrested for their role in plotting kidnapping.
1619   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 4, 4:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Eventually all these immigrants foster their suicide culture and pose great danger to every innocent around. All the political f*era who bring them are long gone when they are ready to blow up. They will never integrate with main stream even if noble prize is awarded. Don't we an example already!
1620   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 4, 4:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
Eventually all these immigrants foster their suicide culture and pose great danger to every innocent around. All the political f*era who bring them are long gone when they are ready to blow up. They will never integrate with main stream even if noble prize is awarded. Don't we an example already!

“It is impossible to integrate a group of people who do not want to be integrated. To my knowledge not a single western European country has managed to integrate people from the MENA (Middle Eastern North African) countries in any successful way. - Kenneth Kristensen Berth, Member of Folketing for the Danish People’s Party, Vice-Chairman of the European Affairs Committee
1621   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 4, 5:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“I think we were progressing very nicely until the surge of Islam came. And if you asked me for my observations, the other communities have easier integration — friends, inter-marriages and so on — than Muslims ... I would say, today, we can integrate all religions and races except Islam.” - Lee Kuan Yue, PM of Singapore, 2011 - "Hard Truths"
1622   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 5, 12:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
"Hard Truths"

Every non Muslim country must have condition that every Muslim must drop their religion and go through Vetting process before allowed to immigrate or just be happy in their Islamic countries. Islam never fit into modern civilizations at all.
1623   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 5, 2:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
"Hard Truths"

Every non Muslim country must have condition that every Muslim must drop their religion and go through Vetting process before allowed to immigrate or just be happy in their Islamic countries. Islam never fit into modern civilizations at all.

Trump restricted entry of folks from some Muslim countries and it raised a stink, unbelievable.
1624   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 5, 9:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

gabbar says

Trump restricted entry of folks from some Muslim countries and it raised a stink, unbelievable.

They come in and make s* h* like the one they fled from. If enough people don't understand, country deserves to go down.
1625   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 5, 9:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
gabbar says

Trump restricted entry of folks from some Muslim countries and it raised a stink, unbelievable.

They come in and make s* h* like the one they fled from. If enough people don't understand, country deserves to go down.

They not only make sheet but their ideology drives them to slowly hollow out the host country so that they become dominant in time. They can't integrate because their religion prohibits them from doing so. Is there any other community on this planet that lives like a parasite in a different country? I don't think so. This religion and community is different and it doesn't hesitate to let you know.
1626   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 5, 9:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Four Stages of Islamic Treachery: Islamist Tactics Towards Non-Islamic Societies
by Anonymous

01 Sep, 2007

Based On The Evidence Of 1200 Years Of Islamic History


FACT #1:

The goal of Islam is the subjugation of the entire world to Islam through the establishment of a global Islamic rule and the eradication of all non-Islamic populations, cultures, religions, thoughts, knowledge, symbols, traditions and ways of life.

This goal is non-negotiable in fundamental doctrines of Islam and in the eyes of true Muslims.

FACT #2:

Islamists will not stop their assault (open or clandestine) on the non-Muslim world as long as they have not achieved Islamic rule.

FACT #3:

IN ISLAMIC TEACHING, THE END ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS: Islamists have no respect for the rules, laws or values of the non-Islamic world, to them only the rules of the Islamic world are legitimate. In their mind, when they destroy the non-Islamic world then the rules will change to Islamic rules, laws and values.

FACT #4:

ISLAMISTS CONSIDER TREATIES WITH NON-MUSLIMS AS NON-BINDING. When in non-Muslim countries they will pretend a social behavior as a cover up to their true intentions of domination over the non Muslim world.

TIP: When it comes to Islamists, ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO, NEVER WHAT THEY SAY: Lying, treachery and deceit are the Islamists' tactic of choice in their jihad of conquest of the non-Muslim world. This tactic (AL-TAQIYYA, or religious deception, pretending to be friends of the Non-Muslims in order to strengthen themselves against them) is a commonly practiced by Islamists. DECEPTION IS THE KEY TACTIC EMPLOYED BY ISLAMISTS.

FACT #5:

As a rule of thumb to get the truth from any Islamist, simply reverse what they say to a non-Muslim.

FACT #6:

The founder of Islam, MUHAMMAD WAS AN ISLAMIST.

Whether you able to face or ignore this harsh reality is beside the point, you will inevitably face its truth on the day you find yourself within the killing zone of Islamists.

Stages of Islamization


First migration wave to target non-Muslim society.
Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the target non-Muslim society.
Characterized by professed tolerance of others and their beliefs.
Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful religion and Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism.
Images of women and children used to portray Muslims.
Establishment of mosques as power bases (today globally funded by Gulf countries oil revenue). (Mosques are safe havens for Jihadi recruitment and subversive projects).
Muslim leaders promote large push for increased Muslim births in target non-Muslim society to increase native Muslim population.
Misrepresentation of their intentions or aims as a cover up for clandestine operations.


Proselytizing efforts increase.
Establishment and recruitment of fundamentalist Jihadi cells.
Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population of target non-Muslim society to Islam.
Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
Efforts to destroy all evidence of incriminating historical evidence and sources that reveal true character of Islamism.
Intellectual Jihad to discredit non-Muslim culture.
Assault on cultural assumptions and icons of the non-Muslim world, such as democracy, law and science.
Increased dissemination of anti-western propaganda and anti-western psychological warfare.
Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (Communists, socialists, anti westerns activists, anti-globalists, anarchists).
Alliances with the enemies of the Western society particularly anti capitalism leftists. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint. Efforts to infiltrate education system to propagate pro-Islamic points of view.
Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslim intellectuals and leaders.
Efforts to introduce blasphemy laws into non-Muslim society in order to silence critics.
Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and migration to target non-Muslim society.
Use of first and second generation Muslim citizens of target non-Muslim society as Jihadist foot soldiers and public fronts.
Use of charities to recruit supporters.
Use of crime and fraud to obtain funds to finance activities.
Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of non-Muslim society from within.
Development of Muslim political base in target non-Muslim society. Efforts to penetrate political and legal structure of country so as to support Islamic growth from within.
Use of bribes and blackmail of non-Muslim authorities to get them to disregard establishment of subversive activities.
Islamic Financial networks strengthened to fund political growth, large acquisition of land and resources by any means. (Today they are funded by Muslim charities; Gulf countries Oil revenue and criminal activities).
Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes and greater demands are placed upon Muslims to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives stores in hidden locations in target non-Muslim society.
Continuous and covert attacks and challenges against target non-Muslim society leaders and religious symbols.
Overt disregard and rejection of target non-Muslim society's legal system and culture.
Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions such as Jews, Christians, Hindus or Buddhists in target non-Muslim society.
Efforts to destroy the social structure of the country and bring the downfall of non-Muslim government.
Use of Islamic gangs in campaign of fear and terror against Jews, Christians, Hindus and non-Muslims to reduce their populations and influence in the target non-Muslim society.


Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, killings, bombings.
Intentional efforts to spread chaos in the target country to undermine its government and culture.
Acts of barbarity and fierceness as a deliberate policy intended to foster submission of opponents.
Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
All opposition, no matter what kind, is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
Widespread ethnic cleansing with Islamic militias.
Rejection and defiance of target society secular laws or culture.
Murder of all opposition political, religious and intellectual leaders of target society.
Murder of all moderate Muslim intellectuals who envision other alternatives to radical Islam.
Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
Imposition of Sharia law.
Mass execution of non-Muslims, ethnic cleansing.


The Qur’an and the Sharia becomes the "law of the land. "
All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
All Religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, groups and symbols in country.

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1627   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 27, 9:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag

The Bataclan trial is forcing France to confront some difficult questions
Painful as it is at times to listen to Abdeslam, France can be proud of how it is treating him

September 27, 2021

It’s a stroke of good fortune for France that Salah Abdeslam is a coward. Had he not been he would have died with the other nine members of the Islamist terror cell (one of whom was his brother) when they attacked Paris on the evening of November 13, 2015.

Instead of detonating his suicide vest, Abdeslam dumped it in a trashcan and then called a friend in Belgium and asked to be collected. He spent the next four months hiding in a suburb of Brussels before police tracked him down.

It’s rare for a potential suicide bomber to be taken alive. In most cases all we have to judge them by is a theatrical video message filmed shortly before their death. The capture of Abdeslam therefore has been a boon. The trial is now in its fourth week and is expected to last until May. So far of the 14 accused, Abdeslam has been the most garrulous inside the sealed dock, appearing to enjoy the attention. Asked to state his profession he replied:

‘I gave up my job to become an Islamic State soldier’. ...

Périès was less phlegmatic last Monday when Abdeslam attempted to justify the slaughter of 130 people. ‘You have to put the Paris attacks in context,’ he said. ‘Without that context, the attacks are unforgivable. French bombs killed an uncountable number of people in Syria. That made November 13, 2015 inevitable. But dialogue is always possible’.

‘You can’t call the cold-blooded murder of innocent people a form of dialogue,’ snapped Périès.

Painful as it is at times to listen to Abdeslam, France can be proud of how it is treating him. Unlike the squalid indignity of Guantanamo Bay, they are subjecting him to a fair and open trial, allowing him a voice.

Two weeks ago, he dismissed the idea that his Isis cell was comprised of ‘terrorists, jihadists, extremists’. On the contrary, he declared, ‘We acted with respect to authentic Islam’.

Abdeslam is telling the truth.

Such statements are causing some discomfort within western liberal circles. Abdeslam, like all of his ilk, believe that their interpretation of Islam is not, to quote Barack Obama, ‘warped’. Nor, evidently, if he describes himself as a soldier, does Abdeslam think that his is a religion of peace.

Hours after 30 Britons had been shot dead on a Tunisian beach in 2015, David Cameron reached for familiar words to condemn the attackers’ view of Islam. Such terrorism, he said, is ‘not in the name of Islam. Islam is a religion of peace’. The killers, were motivated, he said, ‘(by) a twisted, perverted ideology.’

Obama and Cameron are lying.
1629   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 17, 6:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah, they fooled me.

I didn't know it was about Islam because the US corporate press censored it.

But it was about Islam.
1631   bigbeard112   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 19, 1:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Any thoughts on Bill Warner?

Whenever I have discussions with my friends, here are my talking points on Islam:
1- Deception. This permeates Muslim culture through and through. Even when talking about work-related topics, I find it hard to get straight answers even from simple questions. Their instinct is to beat around the bush. Another reason why this is super important is because it is a Muslim's duty to lie and deceive for the sake of Islam. Your friends need to know they've been lied to because they'll instinctively regurgitate mainstream propaganda on Islam being a "religion of peace".

2- Hatred. As Bill Warner has covered, this is a religion of hate. I've seen countless videos where Sheiks and Imams are preaching hate even in American Mosques. The message is consistent in every Mosque across the world.

3- Jihad. The 4 forms of Jihad: Pen, Mouth, Sword and Money.

As for Jihad of money, they have an equivalent form of Tithing, which basically means you have to donate 2-3 percent of your salary. However, they have very little to show for such a big charity. Then again, terrorists will never run out of funding. In the late 90's, I read an article that stated, if you donate to an Islamic charity, there's a 50% chance it will end up in the hands of a violent Jihadist.
1632   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 19, 4:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bigbeard112 says
As for Jihad of money, they have an equivalent form of Tithing, which basically means you have to donate 2-3 percent of your salary. However, they have very little to show for such a big charity. Then again, terrorists will never run out of funding. In the late 90's, I read an article that stated, if you donate to an Islamic charity, there's a 50% chance it will end up in the hands of a violent Jihadist.

Pfft. The United States spends $1 trillion dollars on the military yearly and has bombed Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia.

What the FUCK do we have to show for THAT?

Why the FUCK don't we ever run out of funding?

What is the purpose of any of these wars and bombings? The US military is the biggest goddamned terrorist in the world. We own ISIS. You think it was just a sloppy mistake that the US gave over 80 billion dollars of military equipment to the Taliban?

So tired of people screaming about the molehole on the other side of the planet, from the mountain they're standing upon. The US is the goddamned terrorists and you damned well know it. Don't have any freedom of speech now, you're regularly called a terrorist just because you're white. We are subjected to propaganda 24 hours day 7 days a week, not just in "news" but in entertainment constantly. The terrorists are in Langley Virginia, Washington DC, and Silicon Valley but you're too much of a pussy to name them.

I'm using my real name, it's a trivial matter to track me down, but I'm not a coward. Nazis have been running the United States for 20 years SOLID. The nation was just overthrown by our intelligence agencies. We have a senile old, corrupt, child molesting pervert as "the most popular presidential candidate ever". Shut the fuck up about the US' supposed morality and superiority.

There are no white hats, there are no "good guys". It's blatantly obvious. Our central bank prints toilet paper, our economy is a war machine and little more. We have assholes killing people just to make money, but that money is readily printed out of fucking thin air to make these wars. All our nation does for profit is murder. It doesn't just kill people on the other side of the planet, it impoverishes the middle class and the blue collar class. As it does this it imports millions of illegal refugees simply because they have secondary rights, and it uses the taxpayer money of the entire country to do it. We really don't have to worry about an enemy on the other side of the planet, our domestic enemies are destroying our freedom and our liberty. Snap out of your brainwashing for a few minutes.
1633   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 19, 5:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bigbeard112 says
Another reason why this is super important is because it is a Muslim's duty to lie and deceive for the sake of Islam. Your friends need to know they've been lied to because they'll instinctively regurgitate mainstream propaganda on Islam being a "religion of peace".

So true that its their duty to lie and mislead. "religion of peace" is part of the word game to mislead and cover up their violent crimes.
1634   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 19, 5:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
bigbeard112 says
Another reason why this is super important is because it is a Muslim's duty to lie and deceive for the sake of Islam. Your friends need to know they've been lied to because they'll instinctively regurgitate mainstream propaganda on Islam being a "religion of peace".

So true that its their duty to lie and mislead. "religion of peace" is part of the word game to mislead and cover up their violent crimes.

Well, the US is a democratic republic with free and fair elections, with a free press, that follows the Constitution, that believes in freedom of speech, which grants citizens a right to a speedy trial, that doesn't implement cruel and unusual punishment (like torture), that only goes to war to protect itself and as a last resort, that has an equal justice system - not a two tiered one, that has a free market system and doesn't use tax payer money bail out corporations that are friends of the state, that protects whistleblowers, which doesn't allow monopolies, which vigorously punishes corruption in our government.

What were you saying about word games?

I wish people would start cleaning up their own goddamned house.
1635   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 29, 11:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag

The menace inherent in laughter, which dispels fear, is recognized and condemned by credal literalism wherever we may find it. One recalls Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini’s admonition to the faithful in a 1979 radio sermon:

Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun or joy in whatever is serious.

1636   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 23, 7:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag

Toronto School Board cancels Yazidi Nobel Peace Prize winner because her account of being a sex slave at the hands of ISIS "would foster Islamophobia"
1637   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 23, 9:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Toronto School Board cancels Yazidi Nobel Peace Prize winner because her account of being a sex slave at the hands of ISIS "would foster Islamophobia"

Liberalism religion gone beyond mental disorder and suicidal.
1638   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 24, 7:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
Patrick says

Toronto School Board cancels Yazidi Nobel Peace Prize winner because her account of being a sex slave at the hands of ISIS "would foster Islamophobia"

Liberalism religion gone beyond mental disorder and suicidal.

Liberalism is not a religion, it is a cult. I believe the architect of this cult is Obama. He is running the country for Biden.
1639   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 24, 5:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I would spend early mornings before going out "touristing" for the day on my trip to Israel in the 1990's reading the local English language papers, the Jerusalem Post and Ha'aretz, while enjoying coffee.

One of those papers had a small article in the back pages about police trying to solve a crime in one of the Arab Villages. A young lady was burned to death, "at the stake", in the center of the village. Even though this murder happened in a public place, nobody in the village knew anything. Not even the family of the victim.

The article reported that there had been a rumor that the young lady had done something to "dishonor" her family. The police had no other leads.

When I returned to my tech job in Silicon Valley a week or so later, I asked a young colleague, an immigrant from Egypt whom I considered quite progressive and Americanized, if such things could really happen, that an entire village would "know nothing" about such a crime. Could this really happen?

This is what the young engineer, a graduate of one of the CSU's, told me: "For me to answer that question, I would first have to know what she did to dishonor her family."

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