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What you can do about Islamic terrorism


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2017 May 25, 9:24am   66,576 views  220 comments

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The most important thing is to tell the truth no matter how much they shout "Islamophobia!"

The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth that Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.

Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam. It takes courage to fight Islamic bombs and hate with mere words of sincere honesty, especially when you will be mocked by the media, perhaps fired from your job, and maybe even fined or imprisoned.

Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:

  • "Saying bad things about Islam is Islamophobic".

    What if those things are true, and well documented by Muslims themselves? Doesn't that make Muslim apologists Truthophobic?

  • "Islamic terrorism is caused mostly by US policy in the Mideast"

    Then how do you explain Islamic murder of random innocent people in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya, India, China, Thailand, Bali, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.

    It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic terror in each country generally followed Saudi funding of Wahhabi madrassas (Koranic schools) in that country, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. So it is Americas fault to some degree, for supporting Saudi Arabia. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war under false pretenses.

  • "American wars are also terrorism"

    No, terrorism is the deliberate murder of random unarmed civilians. America does not try to kill civilians. If we did try, they would all be dead.

    The only reason we are not all dead is that the Islamic world is so weak and ineffective.

  • "Islamic terrorism is caused by inequality and poverty"

    Not it's not. Most terrorists are fairly well educated and not poor. In fact, propensity to Islamic terrorism increases with income and education. Osama bin Laden was very rich.

    Islamic terrorism is motivated mainly by a desire to prove devotion to Islam to other Muslims, and to one's family. "See, look how many kuffar I killed! Aren't you proud?" The horrifying part is that most so-called "moderate" Muslims and the families of terrorists are indeed proud of the terrorists for "fighting back" against dirty unbelievers by killing random unarmed civilians, such as teen girls in Manchester.

  • "Muslims used to be more peaceful, so it's something we've done to them."

    No, Muslims were always this way. What's different is that now they can use the Internet, and especially YouTube, to share and amplify their resentment of all non-Muslims and their bomb-making techniques. Google helps terrorists by spreading terrorist ideology via YouTube.

    If you've done anything to offend Muslims, it's simply being part of a successful, generally happy and tolerant non-Muslim society, clearly proving that Islam is not only unnecessary, but obviously a huge impediment to success, happiness, and tolerance.

    "In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

    "It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.[25]

    Jefferson reported the conversation to Secretary of Foreign Affairs John Jay, who submitted the ambassador's comments and offer to Congress. Jefferson argued that paying tribute would encourage more attacks."

    Note the year, 1786. The Constitution was created in 1787, and ratified in 1788. The reason we have a Constitutional republic is largely to enable Congress to raise an army and navy, and the reason America needed that was largely because Islam says what it says.

    See https://patrick.net/1306992/2017-06-05-saudi-arabia-egypt-bahrain-uae-cuts-off-diplomatic-relations-with-qatar#comment-1416821

  • "Christians are terrorists too"

    So rarely as to make the comparison comical. The difference is about 1,000-fold. For every Christian attack on an abortion clinic there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks on random people. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  • "Christianity also teaches evil things"

    No, Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone. Mohammed robbed, raped, and killed lots of people. For just one example of many, Mohammed murdered Safiya's father, then tortured her husband to death to get him to tell the location of his money, then raped her the same day, according to Islamic history.
    There is no exhortation to hate in the New Testament, but butt-hurt resentment of non-Muslims is the main theme of the Koran and the hadith. See https://patrick.net/Islam

    It is true that the Old Testament has some similarities to Islam in its very harsh punishments for violating its rules, and some genocidal wars.

  • "Islam is tolerant of other religions"

    No, Islam allows Jews and Christians to remain alive (outside of Saudi Arabia) but only if they pay an annual ransom (jizya) to Muslims under deliberately humiliating conditions, and "feel themselves subdued". Hindus, athiests, and members of other religions are officially not allowed to live at all, and must be killed, according to Islam. No other religion is allowed to exist in Saudi Arabia. No synagogues or churches, no torahs or bibles allowed.

    Anyone who leaves Islam must also be killed, according to Islam. And this is actually the law in many Islamic countries.

  • "But Jesus is part of Islam too"

    Not the same "Jesus" at all. Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim first of all, and was never crucified and reject the whole story about his redeeming mankind with his own sacrifice. They also believe he will come back in the final days to kill the Jews. They use the name "Isa" and say he is the same Jesus, but he's obviously a totally different guy with far different ideals. They do not include the gospels at all in their beliefs.

  • "But I have good Muslim friends. They would not murder people."

    Of course, most Muslims are better human beings than Muslims. If they are friends with you at all, they are already violating Islam, for the Koran says (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends. It's good to be friends with them, and to tell them the truth about Islam because they will listen if you are friendly and don't make it about them personally.

  • "Muslims tell me that Islam doesn't teach those awful things"

    Lying to non-Muslims is officially a praiseworthy part of being a Muslim. Muslims are encouraged to lie about anything that makes Islam look bad. You can easily look up the truth for yourself. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for a good introduction to the truth.

  • "Terrorist are not real Muslims"

    Sorry, but they are actually very authentic Muslims doing what their religion commands them to do. Who are you to tell them they are not Muslim? They are giving their lives for Islam by killing unbelievers. At least they are honest about it. If they are not Islamic, then Mohammed was not Islamic either. The head of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows exactly what he's doing and why.

    If someone says "radical Islam", you should ask them which version of the Koran these radicals are reading and acting on. Is it any different from the moderate Muslims' Koran?

  • "Most Muslims are not terrorists"

    True, but most terrorists are indeed Muslim, and most "moderate" Muslims have sympathy for radical Muslims' terrorist attacks. And so we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."

  • "It's racist to talk about the connection between Islam and terrorism."

    No it isn't. Islam has made murderers out of people of all races. It's very egalitarian that way. Chinese Muslims murder random non-Muslims in China, and Nigerian Muslims murder random non-Muslims in Nigeria. The only thing they have in common is the Islamic teaching to hate and murder non-Muslims.

  • "We need to open our doors to refugees"

    No, Muslim countries need to open their doors to Muslim refugees, especially oil-rich Muslim countries. The majority of so-called "refugees" are angry young men looking for easy money and easy women in the West. The legitimate Muslim refugees are nonetheless still infected with a very dangerous virus of the mind, and their children often grow up with hate for the host countries that generously took in their parents, such as the Manchester bomber who blew up all those teen girls.

  • "The principal victims of Islam are other Muslims"

    This is true. But we are talking about protecting ourselves from Islam here.

  • "You're more likely to get attacked by a shark than murdered by a terrorist"

    Nope, there are only about 20 shark attacks per year, and Islamic terrorist attacks kill tens of thousands worldwide and are increasing exponentially.

  • "The constitution forbids excluding Muslims based on religion"

    No, the constitution forbids the government from establishing a state religion. Non-citizens may be excluded from entry for any reason or no reason at all. Islam is more than just a religion. It is a violent subversive political movement which demands that secular government be overthrown and replaced with sharia. We banned communists for decades for much less violence and subversion.

  • "It's pointless and dangerous to offend a billion Muslims"

    No, it's more dangerous to shut up and let your family and civilization die because you were merely too sensitive to speak the truth in time. Muslims are human beings. Deep in their core they know that there is something very wrong with Islam, and they need encouragement from millions of honest people to admit this so that they can free themselves and rejoin the rest of humanity. If you speak with respect and sincerity, they are likely to listen.

    They never hear the truth about Islam in their home countries, so it's up to us. Speak up or die.

  • "There is nothing you can do"

    OK, then Islamic atrocities are now to be expected and tolerated and there is no reason to be alarmed. Please continue moving toward the slaughterhouse in an orderly manner.

Here are some nonviolent ways we can end Islamic terrorism in the West: End all Islamic immigration, instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West (this idea was proposed by an English Muslim in the wake of the Manchester bombing), allow freedom of speech about Islam, and stop teaching that Islam is a religion of peace, because it is not. And Trump has a good line: Islamic terrorists are losers, so call them that.

If you want to take the long view, stop using foreign oil, and demand that we cut off all diplomatic relations with the ultimate source of almost all terrorism: Saudi Arabia.

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1   FortWayne   2017 May 25, 9:47am  

Stopping immigration from countries that hate us would be a good start. Defeating ISIS would be really needed.

2   MMR   2017 May 25, 10:23am  

Patrick says

Most importantly, tell the truth.

The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth: Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.

Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam.

Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:

* Islamic terrorism is caused mostly by US policy in the Mideast.

Then how do you explain Islamic attacks in Sweden, Germany, Russia, Nigeria, India, China, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.

It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic attacks in those places always followed Saudi funding of madrassas (Koranic schools) there, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war u...

But let's waste time by debating the evil of Christianity

3   MMR   2017 May 25, 10:25am  

Patrick says

And thus we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."

I disagree....CNN said that it's not the case so there, Patrick!!!

4   MMR   2017 May 25, 10:27am  

Patrick says

For every Christian terror attack there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

But it's the principal of the text that matters not the actions of its believers.

In order to get rid of Islam we MUST absolutely get rid of the cancer of Christianity FIRST.

5   curious2   2017 May 25, 1:39pm  

Patrick says

(Where is that hysterically funny article about the terrorist being deeply offended at being called "Un-Islamic"?)

Do you mean this thread?

6   Patrick   2017 May 25, 1:49pm  

Yes, that's it! Will add to original post above.

7   missing   2017 May 25, 2:21pm  

MMR says

But it's the principal of the text that matters not the actions of its believers.

In order to get rid of Islam we MUST absolutely get rid of the cancer of Christianity FIRST.

Hm, so you are saying that the Christian texts are worse than the Muslim?

It thought PNP (PatNet philosophers) logic is: text determines actions, Koran bad, therefore actions bad. And vise versa - christians good, thefore Christian texts good (christians were bad before, but not anymore, because texts are not bad, otherwise they would be bad forever; however the Koran is bad and that is why muslims will be bad forever). Did I miss something?

8   curious2   2017 May 25, 2:27pm  

FP says

Did I miss something?

Many things. It's amusing when people who insist on using sarcasm fail to see it. Try a four step program:

1) Read;
2) Think;
3) Think again, making an extra effort to understand what you read;
4) Type.

9   missing   2017 May 25, 2:35pm  

curious2 says

Many things. It's amusing when people who insist on using sarcasm fail to see it.

Contradiction within a statement is not sarcasm.

Now your comment is what's called irony.

10   Shaman   2017 May 25, 2:55pm  

I agree with Patrick's entire list!

11   marcus   2017 May 25, 3:07pm  

Patrick says

instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West

I like this one. An actual action.

12   curious2   2017 May 25, 3:22pm  

marcus says

Patrick says

instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West

I like this one. An actual action.

Although marcus tends to click "ad hominem" whenever I mention his name (four times today so far), I think he has actually identified the one proposal most likely to require adjustment.

Consider a tale of three cousins. One commits an act of Islamic terrorism. Another preaches Islam, which commands believers to strike terror into the enemies of Allah and kill the disbelievers. A third renounces Islam, calling it a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, reports the first two to the FBI, and requests witness protection put him somewhere Muslims won't kill him for apostasy. To me, these are three different people: the first two are advocating a totalitarian doctrine that commands the violent overthrow of our government, and one of them has already started doing what it says; the third is actively trying to stop the hateful fraud of the dead charlatan Mohamed, not by taqiyyeh lying about what it says, but by denouncing and opposing it.

13   curious2   2017 May 25, 3:29pm  

BTW, @Patrick, I'm not sure how to respond to marcus flagging nearly all of my comments that even mention him as "ad hominem." He calls me a "hateful and pathetic little weasel, a "dysfunctional idiot", "Aspy", and a "retard", among other things, but I don't complain. He calls other users "dimbulb" and complains of everyone's stupidity, but most don't click "ad hominem." OTOH, when I go out of my way to explain exactly why he's wrong, including links to evidence proving the point, he clicks "ad hominem" because facts made him feel bad about his preferred delusion. Maybe "ad hominem" should be replaced by "triggered," and after three clicks the user should be redirected to a safe space.

14   Patrick   2017 May 25, 3:31pm  

Just let me know about comments that are mis-flagged as ad hominem, and I'll liberate the comments and temporarily suspend the user's flagging privileges.

15   marcus   2017 May 25, 3:40pm  

Everything I tagged was ad hominem. curious 2 is lying. I hope you have a way of seeing what I originally flagged.

What about a penalty for people that waste your time with lies about their comment jail posts not being ad hominem ?

Do you have a way to see what I originally flagged ? They're all gone now.

16   Patrick   2017 May 25, 3:41pm  

I didn't see insults attacking you personally instead of the point.

Please give examples.

17   marcus   2017 May 25, 3:43pm  

Wow ! They're gone now, soI can't quote examples.. New low Patrick. I disagree with you sometimes Patrick, but I never knew you didn't have integrity.

18   Patrick   2017 May 25, 3:43pm  

curious2 says

A third renounces Islam, calling it a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, reports the first two to the FBI, and requests witness protection put him somewhere Muslims won't kill him for apostasy.

That guy deserves to stay of course.

Anyway, deporting the entire families of Muslims was an idea I picked up from a Muslim posting on Twitter yesterday or the day before. He knows what he's talking about. The only way to punish a suicide bomber is have him know with absolute certainty that his own family will suffer real loss because of his attack.

19   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 May 25, 3:54pm  

rando says

Anyway, deporting the entire families of Muslims was an idea I picked up from a Muslim posting

Trump suggested punishing the families during the campaign. I forget the punishment. While it might work, it's far from constitutional.

20   curious2   2017 May 25, 3:54pm  

marcus says

Do you have a way to see what I originally flagged ?

Of the four, two are back exactly as they were written originally. I re-phrased two, and will copy and paste those for you.

1) marcus claims this comment is ad hominem:

marcus says

hate is the answer

That is always your answer.

marcus says

What's the solution ?

Start listening to Patrick instead of insulting him. Returning to the OP, listen to Morrissey.

2) marcus claims this comment is ad hominem:

marcus says

This is his repeated answer.

You quoted yourself instead of Patrick. Do you have a theory of mind, an ability to distinguish between your own ego and others outside it? Perhaps you should try reading more of what he actually said, instead of ignoring and insulting.

In the first, I changed "always" to "usually," which is accurate. In the second, I replaced the question with an explanation, so you would not need to answer.

21   missing   2017 May 25, 4:00pm  

This site is turning into a kindergarten.

I'm tempted to try to get myself Ironman-ed

22   Dan8267   2017 May 25, 4:00pm  

Patrick says

What you can do about Islamic terrorism

Become an atheist.

23   curious2   2017 May 25, 4:02pm  

YesYNot says

Trump suggested punishing the families during the campaign. I forget the punishment.

Israel demolishes the homes that the terrorists lived in, on the theory that harboring terrorists is aiding and abetting and thus also a crime.

Families of Islamic terrorists are often eligible for rewards from other Muslims. The Orlando terrorist transferred assets in a gift to relatives, and used a life insurance policy to enrich his soon-to-be merry widow. The father sold life insurance, so it seems likely there may be other policies. Prohibiting people from profiting from their own crimes is a valid legal remedy. So, those payments should be seized, and it would be legitimate to require anyone receiving such a payment to report it. Attempting to profit as a beneficiary of terrorism is in itself an act that can generally be criminalized.

24   Dan8267   2017 May 25, 4:02pm  

Patrick says

Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone.

But his followers sure as hell did. I have yet to see any evidence that Christianity is effective at teaching morality to its followers. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Who would you trust with your life, a fundamental Christian or a compassionate rationalist like Sam Harris? If you had to fill the world with one of these two options, which would make the more peaceful world?

25   Dan8267   2017 May 25, 4:03pm  

MMR says

But let's waste time by debating the evil of Christianity

Arguing that Christianity is the way to fight Islam is like arguing that sexual assault is the way to fight rape. It's just a lesser degree of the same evil.

26   Patrick   2017 May 25, 4:13pm  

marcus says

Wow ! They're gone now, soI can't quote examples..

What? I didn't delete anything. I liberated some comments from comment jail. So they should be visible right back where they originally were.

27   missing   2017 May 25, 4:14pm  

Hey George,

How extended is the extended family you want to punish?

28   FortWayne   2017 May 25, 4:21pm  

You don't see benefits of Christianity? Try entire western culture you blind fool.

Dan8267 says

Patrick says

Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone.

But his followers sure as hell did. I have yet to see any evidence that Christianity is effective at teaching morality to its followers. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Who would you trust with your life, a fundamental Christian or a compassionate rationalist like Sam Harris? If you had to fill the world with one of these two options, which would make the more peaceful world?

29   Patrick   2017 May 25, 4:24pm  

Israel has managed to stop the suicide bombings in its own country. The last was in 2008 I think.

If you read about it, most of the credit is given to the wall they built.

Israel also demolished the houses of suicide bombers' families, and claim that did have some deterrence effect.

30   curious2   2017 May 25, 4:25pm  

FP says

Hey George,

How extended is the extended family you want to punish?

Is that a continuation of your previously calling me a "monkey" after I proved you wrong about something, are you now trying to call me Curious George? I'm guessing that you're trying to reduce PatNet to the "kindergarten" playground you complained of, and get Ironmanned as you said you wanted, but as far as I'm concerned it won't even get an "ad hominem" click.

I haven't actually expressed any desire to punish "extended family" per se, but I would definitely follow the money and pursue co-conspirators and accessories before and after the fact. That should include, among others, those who told the terrorist to do what he did.

I have also proposed that the Department of State should publish a list of places that are actively waging war against the United States, including the Islamic State and KSA, and prohibit anyone from going to a listed place without authorization. Anyone who chooses to go to a specifically listed place without authorization would thereby lose any right to come here, or return here, including renouncing citizenship. I would accompany that with a nationwide offer of free tickets to Mecca for anyone who wants to go there. I would add ubiquitous reminders that Islam commands all believers must go to Mecca if they can afford to; Islam holds no rewards for you if you choose not to go, so if you choose not to go then you might as well renounce the whole fraud. Those measures should get the believers out so the apostates can renounce without getting killed by the believers.

31   Patrick   2017 May 25, 4:38pm  

I'd love all that, but there are a few geopolitical matters to solve first:

* the Saudis own some large portion of US debt (14% of it?) and could sell and make it harder for the US government to borrow
* the Saudis price oil in dollars, and could switch to Euros, further destabilizing the US economy
* China and India would probably be quite happy to buy whatever Saudi oil we do not, and Russia might be happy to become the good military friend that the Saudi royal family needs to keep their heads attached to their bodies

Oil is power. Literally the power to move machines, and that gets transformed via politics into political power.

First thing, we need to be come energy-independent through using our own oil and converting to solar as rapidly as possible. Solar has the potential to provide far more energy than we are using right now. We don't really try hard to use it because of the pressure by oil interests to keep using oil.

32   Dan8267   2017 May 25, 4:44pm  

FortWayne says

You don't see benefits of Christianity? Try entire western culture you blind fool.

Unlike you, I actually know western history, and it's not based on Christianity. It's based on
1. Rationality
2. Liberalism
3. Mathematics
4. Science

Three of the four of those things predate Christianity by 2500 years.

But hey, why let historical fact get in the way of your fantasy.

You want to know what Christianity contributed to the western world? Here's a chart that illustrates that.

And here's a bonus chart.

33   FortWayne   2017 May 25, 4:47pm  

No Dan our entire country is founded on Christian principles. Our founders were moral Christian men, and our laws and everything is based on those underlying principles.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

You don't see benefits of Christianity? Try entire western culture you blind fool.

Unlike you, I actually know western history, and it's not based on Christianity. It's based on

1. Rationality

2. Liberalism

3. Mathematics

4. Science

Three of the four of those things predate Christianity by 2500 years.

But hey, why let historical fact get in the way of your fantasy.

You want to know what Christianity contributed to the western world? Here's a chart that illustrates that.

34   Dan8267   2017 May 25, 4:47pm  

Another great chart showing what is really responsible for western civilization...

35   HEY YOU   2017 May 25, 4:49pm  

Dan8267 says

Patrick says

What you can do about Islamic terrorism

Become an atheist.

All religious practitioners are insane, believing in something that no facts can prove.
So,Big foot is real.Santa Clause is real. Fairies are real. The Easter Bunny is real. Unicorns are real.Leprechauns are real. Hercules! Hercules!
Your military tracks Santa on radar each Christmas Eve.
I read about these in a book written by man, therefore they are real.
Even some religious people tell their children about the above.
Why do these believers LIE to their loved ones.

www.youtube.com/embed/tXsxvdF481I

36   curious2   2017 May 25, 4:49pm  

rando says

First thing, we need to be come energy-independent through using our own oil and converting to solar as rapidly as possible. Solar has the potential to provide far more energy than we are using right now.

I agree with both and they're legal and nobody has any cause to complain about either.

rando says

* the Saudis own some large portion of US debt (14% of it?) and could sell and make it harder for the US government to borrow

If Sy Hersh and others are correct that the KSA government aided and abetted OBL, including paying Pakistan to hide OBL in Abbottabad, then that's casus belli: seize all assets immediately.

rando says

* the Saudis price oil in dollars

During the campaign, candidate Trump said that we should "take the oil." He said that about Iraq, Libya, and he may also have implied it about KSA. We can also price oil in Dollars.

rando says

China and India would probably be quite happy to buy whatever Saudi oil we do not...

I'd be delighted to see us balance our trade with China by selling them the formerly Saudi oil.

rando says

Russia might be happy to become the good military friend that the Saudi royal family

President Putin is on record answering criticism of Russia by saying Saudi Arabia is worse. He'd probably be even happier to see us snap out of the hypnosis paid for by Petrodollar baksheesh.

IMO, that is precisely the scenario that the KSA-funded patronage networks in MIC and MSM are trying to prevent. They're not stupid, but they want to keep their gravy train going, and President Trump might derail their patronage networks if he gets around to making America great. They're using carrots (probably $$$$) and sticks (baseless investigations, empty threats of impeachment, endless MSM distractions) to prevent him from doing what he campaigned on.

37   Dan8267   2017 May 25, 4:50pm  

FortWayne says

No Dan our entire country is founded on Christian principles.

Honey, just because you declare something, doesn't make it the truth. Democracy has NOTHING to do with Christianity. Our electric grid, car, the Internet, airplanes, cures for diseases, all have NOTHING to do with Christianity. Those things have to do with science.

The only thing your Christianity gave us was the Dark Ages, plagues, the Holocaust, dozens of genocides in America, and a prison system designed to maximize recidivism and profits.

38   Dan8267   2017 May 25, 4:54pm  

FortWayne says

Our founders were moral Christian men, and our laws and everything is based on those underlying principles.

The founding fathers based the governement on the Age of Enlightenment, not the Iron Age during which Christ allegedly lived. Here are their very words.

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
- John Adams

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding...."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
- U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, 1797

We are not now, nor have we ever been, a Christian nation. Our founding fathers explicitly and clearly excluded any reference to “God” or “the Almighty” or any euphemism for a higher power in the Constitution. Not one time is the word “god” mentioned in our founding document. Not one time. You are attempting to rewrite history with lies.

39   Patrick   2017 May 25, 4:58pm  

Somehow Germany has a great GDP per capita while using half the oil we do per person.

40   missing   2017 May 25, 5:09pm  

WTF, curious2? Did you think I'd read that rant? Take it easy buddy.

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