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Stopping immigration from countries that hate us would be a good start. Defeating ISIS would be really needed.
Most importantly, tell the truth.
The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth: Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.
Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam.
Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:
* Islamic terrorism is caused mostly by US policy in the Mideast.
Then how do you explain Islamic attacks in Sweden, Germany, Russia, Nigeria, India, China, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.
It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic attacks in those places always followed Saudi funding of madrassas (Koranic schools) there, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war u...
But let's waste time by debating the evil of Christianity
And thus we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."
I disagree....CNN said that it's not the case so there, Patrick!!!
For every Christian terror attack there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
But it's the principal of the text that matters not the actions of its believers.
In order to get rid of Islam we MUST absolutely get rid of the cancer of Christianity FIRST.
(Where is that hysterically funny article about the terrorist being deeply offended at being called "Un-Islamic"?)
Do you mean this thread?
But it's the principal of the text that matters not the actions of its believers.
In order to get rid of Islam we MUST absolutely get rid of the cancer of Christianity FIRST.
Hm, so you are saying that the Christian texts are worse than the Muslim?
It thought PNP (PatNet philosophers) logic is: text determines actions, Koran bad, therefore actions bad. And vise versa - christians good, thefore Christian texts good (christians were bad before, but not anymore, because texts are not bad, otherwise they would be bad forever; however the Koran is bad and that is why muslims will be bad forever). Did I miss something?
Did I miss something?
Many things. It's amusing when people who insist on using sarcasm fail to see it. Try a four step program:
1) Read;
2) Think;
3) Think again, making an extra effort to understand what you read;
4) Type.
Many things. It's amusing when people who insist on using sarcasm fail to see it.
Contradiction within a statement is not sarcasm.
Now your comment is what's called irony.
instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West
I like this one. An actual action.
instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West
I like this one. An actual action.
Although marcus tends to click "ad hominem" whenever I mention his name (four times today so far), I think he has actually identified the one proposal most likely to require adjustment.
Consider a tale of three cousins. One commits an act of Islamic terrorism. Another preaches Islam, which commands believers to strike terror into the enemies of Allah and kill the disbelievers. A third renounces Islam, calling it a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, reports the first two to the FBI, and requests witness protection put him somewhere Muslims won't kill him for apostasy. To me, these are three different people: the first two are advocating a totalitarian doctrine that commands the violent overthrow of our government, and one of them has already started doing what it says; the third is actively trying to stop the hateful fraud of the dead charlatan Mohamed, not by taqiyyeh lying about what it says, but by denouncing and opposing it.
BTW, @Patrick, I'm not sure how to respond to marcus flagging nearly all of my comments that even mention him as "ad hominem." He calls me a "hateful and pathetic little weasel, a "dysfunctional idiot", "Aspy", and a "retard", among other things, but I don't complain. He calls other users "dimbulb" and complains of everyone's stupidity, but most don't click "ad hominem." OTOH, when I go out of my way to explain exactly why he's wrong, including links to evidence proving the point, he clicks "ad hominem" because facts made him feel bad about his preferred delusion. Maybe "ad hominem" should be replaced by "triggered," and after three clicks the user should be redirected to a safe space.
Just let me know about comments that are mis-flagged as ad hominem, and I'll liberate the comments and temporarily suspend the user's flagging privileges.
Everything I tagged was ad hominem. curious 2 is lying. I hope you have a way of seeing what I originally flagged.
What about a penalty for people that waste your time with lies about their comment jail posts not being ad hominem ?
Do you have a way to see what I originally flagged ? They're all gone now.
I didn't see insults attacking you personally instead of the point.
Please give examples.
Wow ! They're gone now, soI can't quote examples.. New low Patrick. I disagree with you sometimes Patrick, but I never knew you didn't have integrity.
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The most important thing is to tell the truth no matter how much they shout "Islamophobia!"
The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth that Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.
Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam. It takes courage to fight Islamic bombs and hate with mere words of sincere honesty, especially when you will be mocked by the media, perhaps fired from your job, and maybe even fined or imprisoned.
Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:
What if those things are true, and well documented by Muslims themselves? Doesn't that make Muslim apologists Truthophobic?
Then how do you explain Islamic murder of random innocent people in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya, India, China, Thailand, Bali, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.
It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic terror in each country generally followed Saudi funding of Wahhabi madrassas (Koranic schools) in that country, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. So it is Americas fault to some degree, for supporting Saudi Arabia. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war under false pretenses.
No, terrorism is the deliberate murder of random unarmed civilians. America does not try to kill civilians. If we did try, they would all be dead.
The only reason we are not all dead is that the Islamic world is so weak and ineffective.
Not it's not. Most terrorists are fairly well educated and not poor. In fact, propensity to Islamic terrorism increases with income and education. Osama bin Laden was very rich.
Islamic terrorism is motivated mainly by a desire to prove devotion to Islam to other Muslims, and to one's family. "See, look how many kuffar I killed! Aren't you proud?" The horrifying part is that most so-called "moderate" Muslims and the families of terrorists are indeed proud of the terrorists for "fighting back" against dirty unbelievers by killing random unarmed civilians, such as teen girls in Manchester.
No, Muslims were always this way. What's different is that now they can use the Internet, and especially YouTube, to share and amplify their resentment of all non-Muslims and their bomb-making techniques. Google helps terrorists by spreading terrorist ideology via YouTube.
If you've done anything to offend Muslims, it's simply being part of a successful, generally happy and tolerant non-Muslim society, clearly proving that Islam is not only unnecessary, but obviously a huge impediment to success, happiness, and tolerance.
See https://patrick.net/1306992/2017-06-05-saudi-arabia-egypt-bahrain-uae-cuts-off-diplomatic-relations-with-qatar#comment-1416821
So rarely as to make the comparison comical. The difference is about 1,000-fold. For every Christian attack on an abortion clinic there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks on random people. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
No, Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone. Mohammed robbed, raped, and killed lots of people. For just one example of many, Mohammed murdered Safiya's father, then tortured her husband to death to get him to tell the location of his money, then raped her the same day, according to Islamic history.
There is no exhortation to hate in the New Testament, but butt-hurt resentment of non-Muslims is the main theme of the Koran and the hadith. See https://patrick.net/Islam
It is true that the Old Testament has some similarities to Islam in its very harsh punishments for violating its rules, and some genocidal wars.
No, Islam allows Jews and Christians to remain alive (outside of Saudi Arabia) but only if they pay an annual ransom (jizya) to Muslims under deliberately humiliating conditions, and "feel themselves subdued". Hindus, athiests, and members of other religions are officially not allowed to live at all, and must be killed, according to Islam. No other religion is allowed to exist in Saudi Arabia. No synagogues or churches, no torahs or bibles allowed.
Anyone who leaves Islam must also be killed, according to Islam. And this is actually the law in many Islamic countries.
Not the same "Jesus" at all. Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim first of all, and was never crucified and reject the whole story about his redeeming mankind with his own sacrifice. They also believe he will come back in the final days to kill the Jews. They use the name "Isa" and say he is the same Jesus, but he's obviously a totally different guy with far different ideals. They do not include the gospels at all in their beliefs.
Of course, most Muslims are better human beings than Muslims. If they are friends with you at all, they are already violating Islam, for the Koran says (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends. It's good to be friends with them, and to tell them the truth about Islam because they will listen if you are friendly and don't make it about them personally.
Lying to non-Muslims is officially a praiseworthy part of being a Muslim. Muslims are encouraged to lie about anything that makes Islam look bad. You can easily look up the truth for yourself. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for a good introduction to the truth.
Sorry, but they are actually very authentic Muslims doing what their religion commands them to do. Who are you to tell them they are not Muslim? They are giving their lives for Islam by killing unbelievers. At least they are honest about it. If they are not Islamic, then Mohammed was not Islamic either. The head of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows exactly what he's doing and why.
If someone says "radical Islam", you should ask them which version of the Koran these radicals are reading and acting on. Is it any different from the moderate Muslims' Koran?
True, but most terrorists are indeed Muslim, and most "moderate" Muslims have sympathy for radical Muslims' terrorist attacks. And so we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."
No it isn't. Islam has made murderers out of people of all races. It's very egalitarian that way. Chinese Muslims murder random non-Muslims in China, and Nigerian Muslims murder random non-Muslims in Nigeria. The only thing they have in common is the Islamic teaching to hate and murder non-Muslims.
No, Muslim countries need to open their doors to Muslim refugees, especially oil-rich Muslim countries. The majority of so-called "refugees" are angry young men looking for easy money and easy women in the West. The legitimate Muslim refugees are nonetheless still infected with a very dangerous virus of the mind, and their children often grow up with hate for the host countries that generously took in their parents, such as the Manchester bomber who blew up all those teen girls.
This is true. But we are talking about protecting ourselves from Islam here.
Nope, there are only about 20 shark attacks per year, and Islamic terrorist attacks kill tens of thousands worldwide and are increasing exponentially.
No, the constitution forbids the government from establishing a state religion. Non-citizens may be excluded from entry for any reason or no reason at all. Islam is more than just a religion. It is a violent subversive political movement which demands that secular government be overthrown and replaced with sharia. We banned communists for decades for much less violence and subversion.
No, it's more dangerous to shut up and let your family and civilization die because you were merely too sensitive to speak the truth in time. Muslims are human beings. Deep in their core they know that there is something very wrong with Islam, and they need encouragement from millions of honest people to admit this so that they can free themselves and rejoin the rest of humanity. If you speak with respect and sincerity, they are likely to listen.
They never hear the truth about Islam in their home countries, so it's up to us. Speak up or die.
OK, then Islamic atrocities are now to be expected and tolerated and there is no reason to be alarmed. Please continue moving toward the slaughterhouse in an orderly manner.
Here are some nonviolent ways we can end Islamic terrorism in the West: End all Islamic immigration, instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West (this idea was proposed by an English Muslim in the wake of the Manchester bombing), allow freedom of speech about Islam, and stop teaching that Islam is a religion of peace, because it is not. And Trump has a good line: Islamic terrorists are losers, so call them that.
If you want to take the long view, stop using foreign oil, and demand that we cut off all diplomatic relations with the ultimate source of almost all terrorism: Saudi Arabia.
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