patrick.net

So again, that was just a meeting about adoption. ;)

Also, watch the news outlets now. They always do this drip-drip-drip feed to control the news cycle. This was of course all known yesterday, but they are trying to capture and control the conversation.

What a world.

Ok. I'll call it today. Some members of the Trump administration will see jail.

Best tweet so far:
"Who among us hasn't met a Russian lobbyist offering dirt on our enemies as a pretext to talk sanctions, forgotten it, then lied about it?"

New winner for best tweet. This one was titled:

OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF DONALD TRUMP JR

Wow--McGee and others are strangely silent on this thread.

Since when is it a crime to talk to Russia unless you're not Hillary?

This is a big huge nothing burger. The whole Russia Russia Russia thing has and always been about discrediting Trump.
There are no legal laws broken real imaginary or otherwise. Good luck getting his voter base to think bridging and repairing Damages international relationships an impeachable offense. Which you can only be impeached for acts in office.

My money is on the Fat old orange guy beating the Dog Bile, Piss and Snott out of the Liberals shitbirds.
Wanna go round two with a Comey hearing? That's what I thought Fucktards!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/08/reports-donald-trump-jr-jared-kushner-met-with-kremlin-linked-lawyer/

Tenpoundbass says

Since when is it a crime to talk to Russia unless you're not Hillary?

I'm not sure if it's a crime, but meeting with a Russian operative who says that they have dirt on your political opponent to ostensibly offer something in return for obtaining said dirt, is clearly an impeachable offense.

This has a good overview video embed in it on backgrounds to Magnitsky:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/lawyer-probing-russian-corruption-says-his-balcony-fall-was-no-n780416

Listen to that language at 9:23.

Chilling as well is this one : "When the state starts covering up for fraudsters, anything can happen."

Tenpoundbass says

Since when is it a crime to talk to Russia unless you're not Hillary?

Ah yes. Fox is also moving this way to "it's not a crime".

Tenpoundbass says

Wanna go round two with a Comey hearing?

LOL. It's not a question of anyone wanting anything. More hearings and much much more is guaranteed. I am elated. :)
Where as you see Comey as absolution, I see it only as the beginning, and a galvanizing factor into why we now have Mueller.

Does Bass think the Comey hearing helped Trump?? lol.

joeyjojojunior says

Does Bass think the Comey hearing helped Trump?? lol.

The fiction painted in the opposition media is because Comey said words to the effect that he had "no knowledge", or smartly refused to claim the act was legally obstruction, Trump is therefor innocent.

They see Comey as 'the last witness' and fail to see him as the first witness, setting the ball in motion.

I talked with a guy with dual Russian/USA citizenship last month. Am I going to jail?

I'm still waiting for concrete evidence of something illegal.

rando says

I'm still waiting for concrete evidence of something illegal.

Mueller's on it!

When prosecutors see someone do what is called 'incremental truth telling' they become highly interested.

Rew says

When prosecutors see someone do what is called 'incremental truth telling' they become highly interested.

Are you talking about Hillary?

What is the incremental truth telling coming from Trump? Do you really think that evidence will magically materialize? I suppose stranger things have happened, but odds are against it. This is the fight that kills the DNC (along w the DNC lawsuit, the Seth Ruch murder trial, etc...)

How much you wanna bet one of Hillary/Lynch/Rice gets indicted before Trump?

CBOEtrader says

What is the incremental truth telling coming from Trump?

From Trump Jr. not Trump. Trump's lawyers are stating he had no knowledge of the meeting. Jr is on his own.

CBOEtrader says

How much you wanna bet one of Hillary/Lynch/Rice gets indicted before Trump?

That may be. You think it is going to stop what's coming? Do you think I care if Hillary, Lynch, or Rice go down for something?

CBOEtrader says

Do you really think that evidence will magically materialize?

Evidence doesn't magically materialize. It's revealed by investigations and prosecution work.

Rew says

CBOEtrader says

What is the incremental truth telling coming from Trump?

From Trump Jr. not Trump. Trump's lawyers are stating he had no knowledge of the meeting. Jr is on his own.

OK, what is the incremental truth from Jr? This is easy to point out from Hillary, yet somehow comey couldnt find "intent", and here you are making enormous assumptions about crimes w 1/1000th the evidence. I agree w CNN, this is a pure witch-hunt.

Rew says

Do you think I care if Hillary, Lynch, or Rice go down for something?

I'd like to see criminal behavior punished for once.

Rew says

CBOEtrader says

Do you really think that evidence will magically materialize?

Evidence doesn't magically materialize. It's revealed by investigations and prosecution work.

Ok, since there has been at a minimum a year's worth of investigations and zero evidence, do you think something will turn up now? This is gonna hurt the DNC worse than anyone (w the possible exception of senile McCain).

CBOEtrader says

OK, what is the incremental truth from Jr?

No meetings with Russians
Meetings with Russians, but nothing about campaign discussed
Today: Met with Russian Lawyer, claimed she had dirt on Hillary, proved otherwise so we asked her to talk to elected officials, because we couldn't do anything about adoption.

CBOEtrader says

I'd like to see criminal behavior punished for once.

Any evidence or active investigations there to help prove anything?

CBOEtrader says

Ok, since there has been at a minimum a year's worth of investigations

Hahahaha! A year! Oh dude. Delusional.
Say his name with me: Mueller.

CBOEtrader says

This is gonna hurt the DNC worse than anyone

Your sense off care for the DNC is nice. I don't think they are worried about impressions from the Russian investigations.
Rubio firing off pretty good at Trump today on the cyber security joint venture. Should he be worried too?

It should also be noted Rubio is not typically a leading indicator in courageous political speech. Super advantageous for him to do what he did.

The fight is authoritarianism backed by corruption versus actual representative democracy. Go deep state! Skewer them.

Oh god. Hannity is awake and tweeting. Hilarious!

NYT won't let up either ... shots fired! shots fired! Hehehehe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/donald-trump-jrs-two-different-explanations-for-russian-meeting.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

CBOEtrader says

This is the fight that kills the DNC

The DNC? The Senate investigation is controlled by Republicans. The House investigation is controlled by Republicans. The special counsel was appointed by a Republican and reports to a Republican.

This investigation is 100% driven by Republicans. Dems are bystanders.

Rew says

The fight is authoritarianism backed by corruption versus actual representative democracy. Go deep state! Skewer them.

Exactly right! Trump represents the representative democracy though, while the deep state is authoritarian corruption.

Quigley says

Trump represents the representative democracy though, while the deep state is authoritarian corruption.

And therein lies our core difference: while you see Trump as a champion of Western Democracy and not the most authoritarian leaning leader we have had in well over 50 years, I see him as destroying American and Western institutions, if he can.

Ask yourself if the countries that appear aligning with us now are representative of Democratic principals? Are they Democratic countries at all? Go beyond Russia. Who else is embracing our new authoritarian leader? Who else is Trump embracing himself?

Rew says

No meetings with Russians

Meetings with Russians, but nothing about campaign discussed

Today: Met with Russian Lawyer, claimed she had dirt on Hillary, proved otherwise so we asked her to talk to elected officials, because we couldn't do anything about adoption.

Meeting w a Russian national is NOT "meeting w the russians." This is pure, utter garbage. It's 3rd grader type flawed logic. Just amazing to watch the brainwashing take over.

joeyjojojunior says

The DNC? The Senate investigation is controlled by Republicans. The House investigation is controlled by Republicans. The special counsel was appointed by a Republican and reports to a Republican.

This investigation is 100% driven by Republicans. Dems are bystanders.

You are right. I shouldn't differentiate between the R and D establishment criminals. They are all working together.

CBOEtrader says

Meeting w a Russian national is NOT "meeting w the russians." This is pure, utter garbage. It's 3rd grader type flawed logic. Just amazing to watch the brainwashing take over.

"Yuri, I met the Americans"
"Ivan, Who did you meet?"
"Pee Wee Herman, inside a movie theatre."

The Democrats have gone full McCarthy.

Loved Maddow falling for the fake Report, based on the one published by the Intercept days before.

Rew says

CBOEtrader says

Ok, since there has been at a minimum a year's worth of investigations

Hahahaha! A year! Oh dude

Yes. A year. Any normal investigation that didnt find a shred of evidence would NEVER last a year. Typically legal proceedings require evidence. Apparently not this investigation though.

TBC, Mueller isn't investigating Trump. He is investigating Russia influence on our POTUS election. It is possible the vast majority of the miscommunication is simply the fake news translation. AFAIK Mueller hasn't made any public statements about Trump, or Trump associates.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

"Yuri, I met the Americans"

"Ivan, Who did you meet?"

"Pee Wee Herman, inside a movie theatre."

Brilliant.

PCGyver says

CBOEtrader says

Yes. A year. Any normal investigation that didnt find a shred of evidence would NEVER last a year.

Benghazi?

There is hard proof of extended lies pushed by the Obama administration regarding actual crimes in Benghazi.

CBOEtrader says

Any normal investigation that didnt find a shred of evidence would NEVER last a year.

There are no limits on the timeline for an investigation. Zero. None.
The statute of limitations for a federal case is 5 years, at the time they charge with something, because they need to subpoena and take property and evidence.

Your gut felt logic is understood, but doesn't match with reality.

CBOEtrader says

Typically legal proceedings require evidence. Apparently not this investigation though.

No charges yet. No legal proceedings. We are merely looking.

"Am I being charged with something?"
"No. Would you like to disclose anything?"
"No. Am I free to go."
"Yes."

... now we go dig, did they have reason to disclose something? Ohhhhh look! They did meet with the Russians.

"Oh sorry. Yes. I forgot. Silly me."
"What did you meet about?"
"Adoption."

.... go dig again.

"You mean opposition research that would help your campaign?"
"Oh yes! That was one of the reasons, but it was primarily about adoption."
"I see. And what did they offer?"
"They said Russia was financing HRC."

... go dig again.

Do you see how the game is played yet?

CBOEtrader says

Meeting w a Russian national is NOT "meeting w the russians."

The SF-86 asks you to disclose any dealings with any foreign governments and officials. It is plural as if to ask: "Have you met with the Russians?".

Semantics cannot save you now. :)

Further, Natlaia very much represents Russian interest, as in plural. She represents the Russian state, covertly.

Rew says

Do you see how the game is played yet?

Yes. You pretend that connections to the russian government are there when they arent, and continue to dig. Well, good luck to ya. Get used to republican control at every level of government.

CBOEtrader says

Get used to republican control at every level of government.

One might see that statement as an admission that the only thing preventing GOP representatives being taken down by charges of corruption and ethical misconduct is the fact that they are protected by patronage and nepotism.

CBOEtrader says

Yes. You pretend that connections to the russian government are there when they arent, and continue to dig.

FACT: There have been multiple undisclosed dealings with known Russian agents by high level Trump campaign strategists and administration officials.

It is concerning. There are three investigations ongoing, one which is independent and on a footing to bring legal charges.

The Trump administration should(edit to add) get comfortable with being investigated. The American people are highly concerned.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html

Drip drip drip ... :)

By the time Jr meets with Senate it's going to be uggggggly.

Rew says

By the time Jr meets with Senate it's going to be uggggggly.

Umm, hamster wheel, spin little hamster. You guys have been at this for a year, throw something alleging it to be the great reveal-it boomerangs back and damages the dems. My prediction-more of the same-lets see.

Rew says

Trumps Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

I see nothing wrong with that. Politicians are always eager to dig up dirt on their opponents. Clinton supporters did the same thing.
Actually, if there is some serious dirt about politicians, we as citizens should know about it.