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Article is more of an advertisement about not having kids than anything else. But I already knew that having kids ruins your sex life, it's on my long list of reasons not to have kids.

zzyzzx says

Why Americans are having less sex

zzyzzx says

Article is more of an advertisement about not having kids than anything else. But I already knew that having kids ruins your sex life, it's on my long list of reasons not to have kids.

The article is wrong about kids being the cause of diminishing sex lives. A hundred years ago people had their first child between the ages of 16 and 22. Today it's 30 to 35. People in their 20s are far less likely to have a child today than at any other time in history. And the 20s are the prime sexual years. So clearly the burden of having children is not the cause.

Nor is Tinder the cause since the vast majority of Americans have never used it, and most that have used it only tried it for a short time and then moved on just like with all other apps.

High taxes and liberal policies have consequences

Libbies 57 flavors of queer have most people scared of dating anybody. You just don't know whats arriving on your doorstep.

FortWayne says

High taxes and liberal policies have consequences

Eventually having kids will be like purchasing pot you will have your 57 verified brands of sexual orientation for artificial insemination. To choose from

It's because of feminism.

Women want men to deny feminist demands for self-castration. Women want dominant unapologetic men who will not put up with feminist bullshit. Hell, they'd much rather fuck a serial murderer than a sensitive new-age guy.

Men are failing to give the right answer to feminism, and so women just are not attracted to them anymore.

But also, yes, men are not attracted to fat women and women are getting really fat. That's not cultural. It's because fat women are ugly.

FortWayne says

High taxes and liberal policies have consequences

Lol

Conservatism is very conducive to healthy sexuality lmao

Dan8267 says

I wonder what caused the obesity rates to trend for the worse after 1980. Just look at that slope.

rando says

But also, yes, men are not attracted to fat women and women are getting really fat. That's not cultural. It's because fat women are ugly.

ha ha ha
Men prefer quality, not quantity.
Do you know men have actually suffocated to death when a fat woman sat on their face while having sex?

I don't get how people operate without the release. I'm like the hydrogen bomb from Lost if you don't drain me 4 8 15 16 23 42 times a day, the whole world implodes

Belly full, balls empty makes for a happy life. Everything else is manageable so long as these demands are met

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

I wonder what caused the obesity rates to trend for the worse after 1980. Just look at that slope.

All the hipster SJWs women I see when I travel to places like San Francisco or New York are either extremely obese, look like skinny men, or look cute but smell like trash. Feminism is cancer.

errc says

Obligatory:

Strategist says

I wonder what caused the obesity rates to trend for the worse after 1980. Just look at that slope.

https://authoritynutrition.com/12-graphs-that-show-why-people-get-fat/

http://www.businessinsider.com/obesity-rates-rising-food-environment-2017-6

I could blame a lot of things for our collective obesity. Sedimentary lifestyle being my #1 choice, followed by die (the whole eating out too much thing too)t. Plus a lot of the little things add up. People used to use a regular screwdriver, crank windows by hand, take stairs, or walk places. Now if you see someone out walking, it's because their dog needs to take a dump.

FortWayne says

High taxes and liberal policies have consequences

This is utter bullshit. People aren't having less sex or fewer children because of taxes. They are having fewer children because republican policies, particularly those from Ronald Reagan, have squeezed the middle class making supporting a family way the fuck harder.

In the 1950s, a time when taxes where way the fuck higher, a single income family could afford a primary home and a vacation home and eating out several times a week. Today it takes two incomes just to make ends meet, and that's without owning a second home. The difference is supply-side economics which devastated the middle class. You hero Reagan is the reason why people cannot afford to raise families anymore.

BlueSardine says

Libbies 57 flavors of queer have most people scared of dating anybody.

Dating? Obviously you haven't been with a woman in a long, long time. Dating died in the 1990s. It's been the hookup culture ever since.

Today people have sex with friends and friends of friends without ever going out on dates or calling each other boyfriend/girlfriend. You hang out with people of your preferred gender and then "let things happen". This is the way it's been for 25 years. No one under 35 dates. Dates are for people looking for marriage, not for sex.

zzyzzx says

Ewww, who would want to eat a slug?

Strategist says

I wonder what caused the obesity rates to trend for the worse after 1980. Just look at that slope.

Errc is partially correct on this one. The increase in obesity in Americans is almost entirely due to diet, specifically increase consumption of carbohydrates, sugars, and high. The food pyramid campaign from the 1980s is entirely responsible for the first of these three things. The anti-fat consumption movement is responsible for the second. And greedy capitalists, the sugar farm owners, are responsible for the third. Food manufacturers switched from sugar to high fructose corn syrup because it was cheaper and the sugar farm owners were jacking up their prices.

zzyzzx says

Now if you see someone out walking, it's because their dog needs to take a dump.

Or because they need to.

Dan8267 says

Today it takes two incomes just to make ends meet, and that's without owning a second home. The difference is supply-side economics which devastated the middle class.

The difference is the devastation of American manufacturing jobs by globalization.

Ordinary American workers cannot compete with Chinese and Mexicans willing to work for far less.

Our owners benefited by paying 3rd world wages in the 3rd world rather than American wages in America.
Consumers benefitted by buying cheaper shit at Walmart, which also devastated Main Street retail.
3rd world workers benefitted by getting zillions of manufacturing jobs.
American workers lost because jobs disappeared.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

I wonder what caused the obesity rates to trend for the worse after 1980. Just look at that slope.

Errc is partially correct on this one. The increase in obesity in Americans is almost entirely due to diet, specifically increase consumption of carbohydrates, sugars, and high.

For the first time I was beginning to show a beer belly. All my friends started noticing it. I started having fruit, and only fruit for lunch 4 to 5 times a week. It worked like magic...no more beer belly.

This is graph is interesting. More women are "extremely obese" but more men are just "overweight".

Source: NHANES, 2009–2010

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity

Indiana Jones says

This is graph is interesting. More women are "extremely obese" but more men are just "overweight".

Source: NHANES, 2009–2010

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity

The metrics for this are utter shit

At peak of my fitness days I was obese by their standards, with no stored fat to spare. Just a brick shit house of muscle which is denser/heavier than fat

rando says

The difference is the devastation of American manufacturing jobs by globalization.

That is also largely due to republican economic policies. However, globalization and the loss of manufacturing jobs is not sufficient to explain the decline of the middle class. The middle class has gotten squeezed by many policies and deregulations.

https://www.amazon.com/What-Went-Wrong-Hijacked-Countries/dp/1937856712

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

I drag citrus and apples on airplanes and everyone around me gets excited when I start peeling them.

Only because they think you are making a bong and they want a hit. Serves you right for flying Delta.

Fear of child support? One drunken mistake could cost you 30% of your pay for 18 years.

The corrupt and vile family court system is certainly one of the primary reasons most men today won't ever consider marrying, and it does contribute to the decrease in birthrates.

Where are the porn splooging vs. actual human contact ratios?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

I think the fact that planes smell like stale clam farts

Clams fart? How do they get away with that when the bubbles would be so visible?

There are some great reasons given here and I think you guys are hitting the nail on the heads with the following:

- People are waiting longer to have kids... often into years that extend beyond the prime sexual years.

- Obesity: No time in our human history has obesity been a bigger problem than it is today. And carrying additional weight is one of the top libido killers.

- People are in a technological twilight zone. Smart Phones, internet, electronic gadgets, apps, porn, you name it... People are so connected electronically and have so much stimulation and entertainment at their disposal that its serving to absolutely wear people out.

zzyzzx says

our collective obesity

All I have to do is go out in public, especially the grocery store, and see people who are so fat they can hardly walk and they're not that old, maybe mid-30's to mid-50's, and often see them with a breathing tube in their nose. I saw a really disgusting sight about three weeks ago--a woman on a scooter, probably in her late 40's, so fat she hung off all sides of the seat and with legs twice as big as normal and the worst thing was a half full bag of urine hanging on the back with a tube going back you know where.

zzyzzx says

I already knew that having kids ruins your sex life, it's on my long list of reasons not to have kids.

Evolutionary dead end.
Evolution created sex to have kids.

BayArea says

- People are waiting longer to have kids... often into years that extend beyond the prime sexual years.

Delayed reproduction would only lower the fertility rate for a short period of time. That cannot be the explanation because for every kid a 20-something does not have because he's waiting to be 30-something is a kid that a 30-something will have ten years later that he wouldn't have had otherwise. Delayed reproduction is not lower reproduction.

The statistics clearly show that fewer people are having children and those who do are having fewer children, and that these changes happened over the past 30 years.

Porn reduces rape, not the desire of men to become fathers. Perhaps sex with condoms has reduced the fertility rate because of eliminating unwanted pregnancies, but that's a good thing and it does not explain why many men and women are choosing to never have children. Nor is there anything magical about electronics over the past 30 years that have reduced the desire of men and women to have children.

What does seem to have an effect are
1. Overcrowding (particularly in Japan)
2. Financial stress
3. What's been called feminism since the 1970s
4. The family court system raping men
5. The unattractiveness of most women because of obesity and (3).
6. The fact that men are biologically wired not to want to settle down with women who have mated with other men. Commitment is very costly for men, so they need parental certainty in exchange or its not worth forgoing other sexual pursuits.
7. Female hypergamy
8. A change in the belief that one's value comes from reproduction to valuing happiness in life.

In any case, the fewer people crapping out children and the fewer children being crapped out is ultimately a good thing. Why add pressure to a pot that's already ripe for exploding?

zzyzzx says

Why Americans are having less sex

With other people.

Heraclitusstudent says

Evolutionary dead end.

Evolution created sex to have kids.

A simplistic and inaccurate view of evolution.

Direct reproduction is hardly necessary. Many species do mostly without it. Furthermore, over 99.9% of your genetic code is identical to every human being on the planet. Even without having kids, considerably more than 99.9% of your genetic material survives as long as the species survives. Ecological destruction and nuclear war are the pretty much the only way any person alive today could become an evolutionary dead end.

When you add to that the inevitability of designer babies, all of your useful genes will survive whether or not you reproduce and all of your inferior genes will not regardless of whether or not your reproduce.

Of course, why should you even care if your genes survive? They aren't you. They aren't your allies. At best, genes are a means to an end, not an end of themselves except to themselves. Eventually the entire human race will evolve to the point where our descendants don't have much of your genes anyway regardless of how many offspring you have. Who cares how our descendants get to point C, whether through path A or B, when the destination is the same?

And genetic immortality means nothing as well. How much does it mean to you if some of your cells are kept alive and replicating indefinitely and harvested for research like Henrietta Lacks? What does mindless reproduction of cells with your genetic code amount to?

Was this adjusted for Age? We have a large cohort of old farts; in the 70s, 80s,and 90s they were in their 20s-40s.

zzyzzx says

But I already knew that having kids ruins your sex life, it's on my long list of reasons not to have kids.

If the human race ends, it will all be your fault.

Dan8267 says

Heraclitusstudent says

Evolutionary dead end.


Evolution created sex to have kids.

A simplistic and inaccurate view of evolution.

Direct reproduction is hardly necessary. Many species do mostly without it. Furthermore, over 99.9% of your genetic code is identical to every human being on the planet. Even without having kids, considerably more than 99.9% of your genetic material survives as long as the species survives. Ecological destruction and nuclear war are the pretty much the only way any person alive today could become an evolutionary dead end.

When you add to that the inevitability of designer babies, all of your useful genes will survive whether or not you reproduce and all of your inferior genes will not regardless of whether or not your reproduce.

Of course, why should you even care if your genes survive? They aren't you. They aren't your all...

You are probably right on this, but human instinct does not care for what you said above. People did not know nor would they have cared about genetics and evolution. The need to have your own babies is very powerful. Sadly, that need tends to die down in developed countries as can be seen in the birth rates of Europe and Japan. Nature ensured we keep having sex and producing babies, but with modern contraceptives we can keep having sex without making babies.
Science was responsible for the huge population the planet has today, and science may one day be responsible for the end of the human race.