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joeyjojojunior says

When one is the President, one isn't allowed to "express opinions" that contradict the Constitution.

Hmmm, Obama expressed his opinions about a Supreme Court Decision.

joeyjojojunior says

"express and opinion" that a US citizen shouldn't be allowed to exercise his right to free speech

He can certainly express his opinion that an employer cut an entertainer's contract over behavior he regards as crossing the line.

As can anybody else.

Just like Obama can express his opposition to a Supreme Court Decision, literally the most "contradicting the Constitution" thing you can do. Bar sending in the Army and declaring their opinion "Null and Void by Act of the President" of course.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Just like Obama can express his opposition to a Supreme Court Decision, literally the most "contradicting the Constitution" thing you can do. Bar sending in the Army and declaring their opinion "Null and Void by Act of the President" of course.

Hardly. Obama's opinion was that the Supreme Court's decision was at odds with the Constitution. He didn't contradict the Constitution at all. He defended the Constitution actually.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

He can certainly express his opinion that an employer cut an entertainer's contract over behavior he regards as crossing the line.

No, as President, he really can't. As Donald Trump, private citizen, he can. As Trump Inc., he can. As leader of the US, he can't.

joeyjojojunior says

Hardly. Obama's opinion was that the Supreme Court's decision was at odds with the Constitution. He didn't contradict the Constitution at all. He defended the Constitution actually.

The final, legal arbiters of Constitutionality disagreed with Obama. Yet Obama dared exercise his free speech as President to criticize it. Unprecedented! (LOL)

Was it free speech, or not?

joeyjojojunior says

No, as President, he really can't. As Donald Trump, private citizen, he can. As Trump Inc., he can. As leader of the US, he can't.

Show me this in the US Code, Constitution, etc.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Was it free speech, or not?

It was Obama stating policy. Again--not at all similar to Trump attempting to stifle a private citizen's free speech

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Show me this in the US Code, Constitution, etc..

lol--your hypocrisy is literally astounding. Anything Trump does, no matter how much you would have attacked it 2 years ago, is fine today. It's really sad

joeyjojojunior says

It was Obama stating policy. Again--not at all similar to Trump attempting to stifle a private citizen's free speech

Ha, so his policy was ruled against by the final arbiters of Constitutionality, yet he persisted in exercising his Free Speech?

Horrible!

Going back to the NFL for a Second: Is flipping the Bird "free speech"?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/11/25/vontaze-burfict-doug-baldwin-fine-flipping-bird/94438138/
How about wearing the wrong cleats (ie not wearing the sponsoring entity's cleats)? Isn't your choice of shoes part of Freedom, if not Free Speech?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/josh-norman-nfl-fine-patriotism-carolina-panthers_us_5644f2f6e4b045bf3dee57fd
Nah, if you wanna honor your father, or raise Breast Cancer Awareness, you gotta pay the NFL $$$ for that shit or be fined! "Proud?" "Brave?" Fines!!!

For honoring 9/11 (but again, not wearing the $$$ shoes)?

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9096/nfl-fines-players-wearing-patriotic-cleats-hank-berrien
The NFL sure is generous with those fines. Except standing for the national anthem, of course.

Hey-you’re free to criticize the NFL and its application of fines. I have no problem with you expressing such an opinion . I may disagree but I won’t stop you from expressing such an opinion.

Rules are different for POTUS however. You should know this.

And back to Obama—he was saying he thought lawmakers should come up with a new law. Not even remotely similar to Trimps actions

Breast Cancer Awareness? FUCK YOU, Pay Me. Goodell is fining your ass, Susan B. Komen didn't pay the NFL for the privilege of promotion. Freedom of Speech doesn't pay for the box seats, asshole!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3294400/NFL-fines-players-mothers-died-breast-cancer-domestic-violence-violating-uniform-rules-wearing-kit-supporting-causes.html

joeyjojojunior says

Rules are different for POTUS however. You should know this.

You gonna pony up that part of the US Code where it says the President doesn't have Freedom of Speech?

anonymous says

There are a lot of things going on in this country to get outraged about

I think your bias is showing. Rosa Parks is a symbol for many. Would you tolerate disrespect for Parks? Should she be dismissed as a symbol as well? The Statue of Liberty is a symbol to many. Should we dismiss it as well? You are creating little stories that fit within your own little world of narrow beliefs, which you are sure are correct. This is exactly what is wrong with the world today.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Breast Cancer Awareness? FUCK YOU, Pay Me. Goodell is fining your ass, Susan B. Komen didn't pay the NFL for the privilege of promotion. Freedom of Speech doesn't pay for the box seats, asshole!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3294400/NFL-fines-players-mothers-died-breast-cancer-domestic-violence-violating-uniform-rules-wearing-kit-supporting-causes.html

I can see why you keep trying to divert this and deflect away from Trump's blatant attempt to restrict free speech.

Free speech is obviously only worth defending when it's Milo or Alex Jones or the KKK marching. When it's a black athlete--shut up and play nice.

Right Lips?

Blurtman says

I think your bias is showing. Rosa Parks is a symbol for many. Would you tolerate disrespect for Parks? Should she be dismissed as a symbol as well? The Statue of Liberty is a symbol to many. Should we dismiss it as well? You are creating little stories that fit within your own little world of narrow beliefs, which you are sure are correct. This is exactly what is wrong with the world today.

"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms.
Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free."

anonymous says

WTF does the Rosa Parks, the Statue of Liberty etc. have to do with Trump creating another distraction for his failed leadership ?

What it has to do with is your view that we should abolish all symbols. No, the same symbol means different things to different people. Intolerance for other viewpoints, which you exhibit, is what is wrong with the world today.

joeyjojojunior says

"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms.
Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free."

Why don't you remember this quote the next time you advocate against free speech like you have on this board approximately 1000 times!
Hypocrisy doesn't even begin to cover you!

Please name 1 time I’ve advocated against free speech on here. One. Should be easy since you claim I’ve done it 1000 times

anonymous says

Now what have you done to serve your country besides pretend to be a patriot on this forum along with TPB and many others ?

Without people willing to lay down their lives in defense of our country, we have no country. But you seem to be alleging that only those who serve in the military serve their country. Is that your narrow minded belief? A lot of people prefer to keep their contributions to themselves, and not publicly beat their chest about them.

NFL needs to get off the SJW stupidity and focus on football. If I want SJW shit I'll go over to Salon or Kos.

mell says

joeyjojojunior says

And the President of the United States should believe in and protect the right of free speech. Don't you agree?

He does believe in it, that's why he is making use of it. DT did not demand Kaepernick getting fired (by decree or law), but voiced his opinion that he should get fired. The NFLs response is equally hypocritical as Kaepernick's quota negro bullshit. Kaepernick has as much to do with the common black man as OJ did, at least OJ didn't lie about it, only his lawyers did. The NFL has been battling criticism from the mainstream left for a while as football becomes less popular, lawsuit mount over concussions etc. So they play nice with all the SJW bullshit because they try to extract as much money as possible for as long as they can. I think though that they are legitimately waging whether they would lose more money by punishing Kaepernick vs supporting him,...

Right! Only Christian Republicans have things in common with the common black man!

Mell and Thunderlips can speak for the common black man! Not Kaepernick!! Because yous relate with them so well! Yous are THE champions of the common NEGRO!!

VOTE ONLY REPUBLICANS ALL THE TIME!!!

CRITICIZE ONLY DEMOCRATS ALL THE TIME!!!

I don't expect to ever hear, "Oh I can't Sunday because the GAME is On!" or Monday for that matter.
American pro Sports watching is no longer a valid reason for missing something. I'll expect people to make American choices.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

joeyjojojunior says

Trump said a US citizen shouldn't have the right to protest.

He has a right to protest.

Currently, his tax-exempt, heavily taxpayer-subsidized employer has the right to let him go/bench him/not renew his contract.

Where was your outrage when Google fired that IT Guy?

I believe if you can be fired (in California, no less) for writing a memo expressing skepticism, you can certainly be fired for going out of your way (Kneeling) to disrespect the national anthem while on camera while employed by "America's Pasttime" and damaging the brand.

Hey, I think Entertainers and Artists are free to express themselves, but not free to demand to get patronage while they do it.

How is that disrespectful to the National Anthem?

He's not giving it the moon. He's quietly taking a knee, kinda like Trump when coming in contact with the head of ALL TERRORISM IN THE WORLD minus the kissing and continued support, but without trying to provide cover so they can continue harming Americans.

errc says

Right! Only Christian Republicans have things in common with the common black man!

Mell and Thunderlips can speak for the common black man! Not Kaepernick!! Because yous relate with them so well! Yous are THE champions of the common NEGRO!!

VOTE ONLY REPUBLICANS ALL THE TIME!!!

CRITICIZE ONLY DEMOCRATS ALL THE TIME!!!

I'm Libertarian leaning. Religion is a private matter. I have spent many many nights close to MacArthur Boulevard at an ex's place, woke up to gunshots, shopped and went out there countless times. Volunteered at a soup kitchen. May not have much weight, but probably gives me more exposure than Kaepernick. There are a lot of problems there, none of which can be solved by somebody with a 114MM contract kneeling at the Anthem. There is no oppression, only misunderstanding. Black and White should come together and celebrate the US instead of listening to the divisive voices fanning the divide and conquer of the lower and middle-class.

Liberals-only I cna exercise my free speech-if any one else does-hater, hater, hater.
trump exercised his free speech, now if he passed a law or an executive order on the same-I would be up in arms condemning him. he expressed his opinion-oh the irony-liberals now claim free speech itself is under threat because the president used his first amendment rights-hate, hate, hate.

Liberals have become a caricature.

mell says

There are a lot of problems there, none of which can be solved by somebody with a 114MM contract kneeling at the Anthem

Bullshit. Have you ever studied Dr. King?

PCGyver says

Let me guess, you hate liberal

Nope, i find them amusing. But I also fear them, their unbridled hate and willingness to use violence to drown out the opposition free speech rights is very dangerous, especially when they cloak it under peace, tolerance, love and righteousness.

lostand confused says

trump exercised his free speech, now if he passed a law or an executive order on the same-I would be up in arms condemning him. he expressed his opinion-oh the irony-liberals now claim free speech itself is under threat because the president used his first amendment rights-hate, hate, hate.

He would be well within his rights to express his opinion as a private citizen. The problem is he is speaking as the leader of the United States trying to silence a private citizen's free speech.

joeyjojojunior says

He would be well within his rights to express his opinion as a private citizen. The problem is he is speaking as the leader of the United States trying to silence a private citizen's free speech.

No he is not. he is expressing his opinon in a campaign rally. NFL does not have to listen and in fact the NFL commisioner came out against him -I think.

Now if he even does any steps against NFL-that would alarm me tremendously. Because if it starts there, it can go anywhere and must be vigorously opposed.

But by twisting this into a free speech issue- WHEN THE LEFT IS DEMANDING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES NOT USE HIS FREE SPEECH RIGHTS-that scares normal people even more. if the president can't express his opinion-who can???? Yeah I know-only one who expresses leftie view and sings kumbaya of kapernick. Any opposing view has to be drowned out -hate, hate, hate.

lostand confused says

No he is not. he is expressing his opinon in a campaign rally

When you become President of the United States, you speak for the United States.

lostand confused says

But by twisting this into a free speech issue- WHEN THE LEFT IS DEMANDING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES NOT USE HIS FREE SPEECH RIGHTS-that scares normal people even more. if the president can't express his opinion-who can???? Yeah I know-only one who expresses leftie view and sings kumbaya of kapernick. Any opposing view has to be drowned out -hate, hate, hate.

Give me a break. The left is alerting people that the President of the United States is advocating for limiting the free speech of private citizens. That should bother you. Why doesn't it?

joeyjojojunior says

When you become President of the United States, you speak for the United States

Free peech and taking action are two different things-which eludes lefties.

joeyjojojunior says

Give me a break. The left is alerting people that the President of the United States is advocating for limiting the free speech of private citizens. That should bother you. Why doesn't it?

The left is upto their usual tricks-attempting to silence the president of the United States no less. This should be alarming. if the president praised Kapernick-the left would be very happy. Since he says something different-they erupt into their usual hateful, bigoted nonsense-cloaked in their peace,tolerance love cloak.

This is arming-very alarming for all Americans . Only one way of thought and speech is allowed-anything else-EVEN the President of the United states dare not open his mouth-or else. We live in scary times-Thank God for trump.

joeyjojojunior says

What isn't allowed is the President of the US trying to stifle free speech, however.

Stifle? Who are you, Archie Bunker?

Just remember what these overpaid mooks are protesting - labeling all our cops as a bunch of murderous racists. Remember Kaepernick's socks?



Of all the problems facing the black community. Being randomly murdered by a racist cop is pretty low on the list statistically.

This is the hill the NFL and Democrats want to die on?

To me, it feels like the players who refuse to stand are calling me, and everyone else who does stand in honor of our country, racists.

Half of the country votes to the right. An equally great number of NFL fans vote to the right. They respect and honor these black football players. Surprise! That’s where your huge paychecks comes from.

Try as you might, no one will ever see you as Rosa Parks, the real badass, when you return to the locker room to put on your Armani silk suit and drink champagne in the stretch back to the Hilton suite.

joeyjojojunior says

Free speech is obviously only worth defending when it's Milo or Alex Jones or the KKK marching. When it's a black athlete--shut up and play nice.

Yep. When a white IT guy who isn't on TV can write a memo on not be fired. When a couple can refuse to bake a cake because they don't endorse gay marriage. Yet an employee on live television can conduct a protest while on the employer's time, and suffer no reprecussions. However, if he wore Cancer Awareness or 9/11 Remembrance eye black, the NFL would fine his ass more than most people make in a month as they've done time and time again to fellow Players. I remember when they banned the Cowboys wearing decals to remember the murdered cops at all regular games.

Total Bullshit.

Joey Democrat is at it in full force today. This must be a battleground topic that was identified by his manager early this morning.

Recruit thugs, get a thug outcome. Makes perfect sense.

Loyalty to country is too abstract when you are focussed on narrow warlord tribalism, and football is if anything a re-enactment of narrow tribalism. Most of them are going to lose their money in idiot, grandiose ways and die with brain damage, which for most of them, was a narrow ledge to begin with.

Drop the anthem, there IS no higher purpose for these guys.

The owners are just big business whores worried about their money.

Those NFL players are just acting like spoiled liberal pricks.

It was inevitable with BLM, thug culture, and everything else that this behavior would rear it's head in the NFL. Lets see if throwing black power signs becomes the norm next every time a white gets tackled.

rpanic01 says

It was inevitable with BLM, thug culture, and everything else that this behavior would rear it's head in the NFL. Lets see if throwing black power signs becomes the norm next every time a white gets tackled.

Hahaha. Things like this were once goofball speculation... not anymore, sadly! Seriously though, fuck the NFL on this. They need to reel this in quick or they are going to suffer quite a bit at the hands of former fans.

lostand confused says

Free peech and taking action are two different things-which eludes lefties.

Nope--The President of the US and a private citizen are two different things. Seems to elude you.


lostand confused says

The left is upto their usual tricks-attempting to silence the president of the United States no less.

lol--you're hilarious. The President is trying to stifle free speech and once again Trumpkins try to turn it around. Has there every been a bigger bunch of babies? The only thing they are good at is feeling sorry for themselves and complaining about how mistreated they are. Get over yourself already.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Yep. When a white IT guy who isn't on TV can write a memo on not be fired. When a couple can refuse to bake a cake because they don't endorse gay marriage. Yet an employee on live television can conduct a protest while on the employer's time, and suffer no reprecussions. However, if he wore Cancer Awareness or 9/11 Remembrance eye black, the NFL would fine his ass more than most people make in a month as they've done time and time again to fellow Players. I remember when they banned the Cowboys wearing decals to remember the murdered cops at all regular games

What's bullshit is your utter hypocrisy. You want/demand ESPN to fire Jamele Hill, but throw a pissy fit when the IT gets fired. In both cases it is up to their employer to decide whether or not repercussions are necessary. Once again the Trumpkins are like whiny babies. Do you want Big Government to make all the rules for society? Is that your solution?

If you don't like the NFL, don't fucking watch it. That is your choice. That's how things work in a free society. If you don't like ESPN, don't fucking watch it

anonymous says

Joey Democrat is at it in full force today. This must be a battleground topic that was identified by his manager early this morning.

That's right. I'm making big bucks.

Don't tell me you post for free CIC?

joeyjojojunior says

ol--you're hilarious. The President is trying to stifle free speech and once again Trumpkins try to turn it around. Has there every been a bigger bunch of babies? The only thing they are good at is feeling sorry for themselves and complaining about how mistreated they are. Get over yourself already.

Same old, same old. Does logic ever enter that leftist fog or are you ina perpetual state of trigglypuff.??/
Once aaain-the president stated his opinion in a campaign rally no less. The left goes bonkers and wants him silenced. It is you who are and have been trying to stifle free speech for decades. Only one form of thought and speech allowed and it has to be approved by us.