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Strategist saysDan8267 saysStrategist saysShooting criminals is the best way of protecting the innocent.
Does that include criminal cops?
Yes.
If you are willing to shoot criminal cops dead without trial, then what the hell objection do you have to me wanting them to stand before a jury in an honest court?
Dan8267 saysStrategist saysDan8267 saysStrategist saysShooting criminals is the best way of protecting the innocent.
Does that include criminal cops?
Yes.
If you are willing to shoot criminal cops dead without trial, then what the hell objection do you have to me wanting them to stand before a jury in an honest court?
I don't. I disagree with your notion that most cops are bad cops.
I don't. I disagree with your notion that most cops are bad cops.
You are arguing with a guy that believes police brutality and abuse is worse than it was 20 years ago despite massively increased federal, judicial, and civilian oversight compared to 20 years ago including the past 8 under a federal justice department headed by a black man appointed by a black president.
Strategist saysI don't. I disagree with your notion that most cops are bad cops.
That is because you ignore the crime of conspiracy. Just about all cops obstruct justice and harbor the criminal cops. It's called the blue wall of silence. It's no different than obstructing the CIA's efforts to thwart a terrorist attack.
The fact is that if even 10% of cops were honest, the other 90% would not get away with their crimes. Even a tiny minority of honest cops would make it impossible for the systemic corruption we see in American police departments.
And again, America is the only western nation that has this problem. Our cops are more like North Korean cops than like European cops.
As for me, I base my beliefs on evidence, of which I have cited plenty. In contrast you have provide no evidence to support your assertions. So which of us is being irrational?
Just about all cops obstruct justice? Prove it.
Dan8267 says
As for me, I base my beliefs on evidence, of which I have cited plenty. In contrast you have provide no evidence to support your assertions. So which of us is being irrational?
You base your beliefs on myths and bias. That is not evidence.
Cherry picking singular events aren't valid for your blanket statements.
Strategist saysJust about all cops obstruct justice? Prove it.
What would constitute satisfactory proof to you?
Police brutality has become an incredibly polarising and contentious issue in American life.
Dan8267 saysStrategist saysJust about all cops obstruct justice? Prove it.
What would constitute satisfactory proof to you?
That's your problem. Try research and surveys that are generally acceptable.
That's your problem. Try research and surveys that are generally acceptable.
Try answering the question. What exactly would constitute satisfactory proof to you?
The blue wall of silence is accepted as indisputable fact by the general public and by all experts who study criminology and law enforcement.
Strategist saysI don't. I disagree with your notion that most cops are bad cops.
That is because you ignore the crime of conspiracy. Just about all cops obstruct justice and harbor the criminal cops. It's called the blue wall of silence. It's no different than obstructing the CIA's efforts to thwart a terrorist attack.
The fact is that if even 10% of cops were honest, the other 90% would not get away with their crimes. Even a tiny minority of honest cops would make it impossible for the systemic corruption we see in American police departments.
And again, America is the only western nation that has this problem. Our cops are more like North Korean cops than like European cops.
Fucking White Male saysYou are arguing with a guy that believes police brutality and abuse is worse than it was 20 years...
So which is it dude? Is police brutality worse because Obama and Eric Holder are incompetent, or has police brutality and corruption diminished as civilian and federal oversight have massively increased?
You still haven't answered the question. Since you reject general public consensus, expert testimony, countless examples, and common sense, what exactly would constitute satisfactory proof to you?
The answer is obviously nothing. If it weren't, you'd have answer it already. No evidence will convince you. That is why your opinions don't matter. They are based on willful ignorance.
You are utterly delusional if you think your views on law enforcement are in line with general public consensus.
Everyone knows cops don't tell on cops.
your more extreme fixes
Ultimately everything in our society is flawed in one way or another. Time usually fixes this.
The OP was about black on black crime being high leading to higher police interactions.
Instead of just hitting this issue from the police perspective, what suggestions do you have to improve the outlook for the black community?
It's not simply the fault of the police things got this way.
I'd like to think if the crime was lower in black communities these interactions would decrease and therefore so would the police brutality.
There is no even slightly justifiable argument against the take a knee protests. One side is simply completely wrong just like it is often so in history. Examples of this include the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, slavery, segregation, marriage equality, and every genocide ever committed. Not every issue has two valid sides.
Feel free to make any specific, clear argument why any of my ideas won't work or are unethical.
I'm not. I'm fining police for contributing to the crimes with the blue wall. Just about all cops protect criminal cops from prosecution and prevent victims and bystanders from fighting back against criminal cops. This makes them legally and morally accountable for the crimes. It's called conspiracy. It is very appropriate to not only fine them and to seize their assets to pay for victim compensation and future crime prevention, but also to imprison those conspirators for their part in the crime. It also finally provides an incentive for cops to not tolerate criminal behavior in their ranks, something that is sorely needed.
It's also an entirely different subject that merits its own thread. Feel free to open one. It's irrelevant to the take a knee movement for the same reason that one woman committing a crime means that your daughter's rapists should not be prosecuted. There's no connection between the two.
Cops committing crimes destroys public trust and makes law enforcement far less effective. As such, the criminal cops are harming everyone, not just their direct victims.
Right - a few bad cops are responsible for the sky-high rate of black on black murder and crime? A few bad cops are responsible for the astronomically high out of wedlock birth rate in the black community?
Can we not call out the massive social dysfunction in these communities at the same time we criticize and prosecute bad cops?
We can, and we do.
Victims cannot trust the police.
If I was a cop, I would not be anxious to police black communities.
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Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/14/illinois-politicians-wake-up-to-chicagos-murder-plague.html
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