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bob2356
2017 Oct 13, 10:18pm
Strategist says
Because Carter deregulated the airlines. What does that have to do with the the middle class losing ground the last 40 years?
Strategist says
Your evidence that average earners can afford toys today more than they could in 1970 is what exactly? Because you say so? You can't even come up with meaningless anecdotal examples.
Nevertheless, travel has increased exponentially in the last few decades. Only the rich, who would dress up for a flight, could afford airline travel. I just took a roundtrip on Spirit from San Diego to Baltimore for $114 roundtrip. I'm going to Italy Monday because it was so damn cheap.
Because Carter deregulated the airlines. What does that have to do with the the middle class losing ground the last 40 years?
Strategist says
More and more people can travel, afford toys like boats, jet skis, RV's etc.
Your evidence that average earners can afford toys today more than they could in 1970 is what exactly? Because you say so? You can't even come up with meaningless anecdotal examples.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 14, 5:06am
CBOEtrader says
Like the guilded age or russia after the fall of the wall? That kind of free market capitalism?
The discussion is about how capitalism, specifically free market capitalism, helps the underclass.
Like the guilded age or russia after the fall of the wall? That kind of free market capitalism?
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 14, 5:12am
What's hilarious is that folks on here are using government programs (SNAP, WIC, section 8, Medicaid, etc.) to show that free market capitalism helps the poor.
Perhaps you guys should rethink your argument? If free market capitalism helped the underclass, we wouldn't need those programs.
Perhaps you guys should rethink your argument? If free market capitalism helped the underclass, we wouldn't need those programs.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 14, 5:17am
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 14, 5:17am
joeyjojojunior says
Brilliant analysis Joe. Also, if you lived in communist Russia you should probably starve to death rather than eat the bread you get from the food line. Wouldnt want to be a hypocrite, amirite?
If free market capitalism helped the underclass, we wouldn't need those programs.
Brilliant analysis Joe. Also, if you lived in communist Russia you should probably starve to death rather than eat the bread you get from the food line. Wouldnt want to be a hypocrite, amirite?
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 14, 5:20am
CBOEtrader says
Wtf are you talking about? That is not every remotely hypocritical.
Pointing out that free market capitalism doesn't help the underclass means I can't eat bread in Russia?
Brilliant analysis Joe. Also, if you lived in communist Russia you should probably starve to death rather than eat the bread you get from the food line. Wouldnt want to be a hypocrite, amirite?
Wtf are you talking about? That is not every remotely hypocritical.
Pointing out that free market capitalism doesn't help the underclass means I can't eat bread in Russia?
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Strategist
2017 Oct 14, 9:31am
Strategist
2017 Oct 14, 9:31am
joeyjojojunior says
If the bums were willing to work instead of freeloading, we wouldn't need those programs.
What's hilarious is that folks on here are using government programs (SNAP, WIC, section 8, Medicaid, etc.) to show that free market capitalism helps the poor.
Perhaps you guys should rethink your argument? If free market capitalism helped the underclass, we wouldn't need those programs.
If the bums were willing to work instead of freeloading, we wouldn't need those programs.
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 14, 9:37am
Strategist says
Ah yes, the rationalization that allows Republicans to sleep at night. All welfare recipients are lazy bums who don't want to work. Freeloaders. Right up there with the myth that people who make more money are harder workers...
If the bums were willing to work instead of freeloading, we wouldn't need those programs.
Ah yes, the rationalization that allows Republicans to sleep at night. All welfare recipients are lazy bums who don't want to work. Freeloaders. Right up there with the myth that people who make more money are harder workers...
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mell
2017 Oct 14, 9:48am
CBOEtrader says
Agreed. Well said.
joeyjojojunior says
Absolutely not. This narrative has been proven in countless studies. Please don't just spout stuff because you don't like the facts. People who earn more are also more active during the day and engage in more in physical activities - despite having less time from working all day.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/16/cdc-higher-income-and-education-levels-linked-to-better-health/
This is your core problem. You consistently redefine the world around you to keep your labels in place to which you are loyal. You creatively translate language around you constantly. I've noticed Dan does this often as well (calling antifa conservative for example, lolz). TBF, right/left/conservative have all lost definitive meaning. Liberal does still cling to its original definition, but only outside of the democratic party in Rand Paul and a few others.
Communism vs capitalism however CAN be defined, and more importantly measured by metrics from the real world. For ex I suggest the most important metric should be % of GDP taxed by the state. How free is the economy?
Agreed. Well said.
joeyjojojunior says
mell saysThey don't have to work and yet have plenty to eat (so many get fat).
This narrative has been proven to be bullshit so many times I can't even count, but yet it persists by folks like you and Strat. It's really sad.
Absolutely not. This narrative has been proven in countless studies. Please don't just spout stuff because you don't like the facts. People who earn more are also more active during the day and engage in more in physical activities - despite having less time from working all day.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/16/cdc-higher-income-and-education-levels-linked-to-better-health/
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 14, 9:50am
mell says
OK great--please post one.
mell says
Yep--what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
Absolutely not. This narrative has been proven in countless studies
OK great--please post one.
mell says
People who earn more are also more active during the day and engage in more in physical activities - despite having less time from working all day.
Yep--what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 14, 11:04am
me123 says
And if you could ever stay on a topic rather than trying to make everything personal, you might not be such a troll.
Not a myth, if you would actually work during the day, instead of stealing money from your employer while posting on Patnet, you'd be surprised how much you could earn.
But since you're a "taker" (and Bernie supporter), versus being a "maker", that concept totally escapes you.
And if you could ever stay on a topic rather than trying to make everything personal, you might not be such a troll.
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"The Republican tax plan is a scam—a massive and destructive financial giveaway masquerading as pro-growth tax reform. Which is why our first response must be to demand not one penny of tax cuts for big corporations and rich guys like me. In fact, if I were Benevolent Dictator, I would substantially raise taxes on myself and my wealthy friends. Why? It is the only way to sustainably grow the economy, boost productivity, increase business opportunities and create more and better jobs."
Someone who gets it. This guy wants to help the middle class. Trump just wants to help himself and his family. Period.