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errc says

Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech

What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!

Goran_K says

Now can someone tell me if socialism is so great, and according to Bernie Sanders the American Dream is more apt to be realized in Venezuela, why do Venezuelan grocery stores look like this?

FortWayne says

but it's total equality now, everyone is a millionnaire... just like liberals want.

Quigley says

If everyone is a millionaire, then a million dollars isn’t worth much at all. Just ask the people of Zimbabwe how that works.

Isn't socialism awesome? Everyone is rich...everyone is equal....everyone is happy.
And here we are, stuck in America. We need to escape.

errc says

Here’s a question you didn’t answer. Like I said, you won’t answer because you can’t

Which is also I said things like this are meant to be uncivil and inflammatory, otherwise you wouldn’t be afraid to answer simple questions like “provide proof?”

Bernie used to have his "Close the Gap" essay on his normal website under "Issues". It disappeared when Venezuelans started eating their pets for food.

Although I did find the entire essay under his Senate website buried in the archives. Guess Bernie's webmaster can't delete things from Senate.Gov.

Here for everyone's reading:
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america

Now that I've answered your question, can you address this part of Bernie's essay?

These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?

Do you agree or disagree with his statement?

errc says

Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech

Are you kidding? One of your "deleted comments" was one where you used a racial slur against my wife. You have the right to be racist, but you don't have freedom from consequences.

Quigley says

errc says

Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech

What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!

Since when is turnabout not fair play?

Its learned behavior. I came here twelve years ago as civil can be, looking for thoughts, ideas, and discussions. A few years ago, CiC found this site, and like most people finding a housing bubble six + years, was ornery and abrasive. He attacked myself and others directly, over and over again, all day, every day. He was relentless. He was so determined to cause harm to participants here, that he went so far to harass a poster in real life at his job.

So Patrick agreed that he was poison to the site, and he banned him. Then Patrick got lazy, and allowed him back under the alias of Sniper. Where he continues to attack posters and impede discussion, in the most uncivil of ways. Character Assassination. Falsely accusing posters of being drug addicts and breaking the law. This is both harmful and dangerous behavior, and if anyone ever had a case that someone else was violating their right to free speech, it was Ironman.

Then I figured maybe it’s time to use his tactics, to see how his buddies on his political team like it. Seems they love dishing it out, but are of extremely weak constitution, and can’t take it back.

Obviously, empowering a right wing hyper partisan liar as mod of the Politics forum, has caused quite a stir. I’ve read numerous well thought out protests to @Patrick mistake, but he seems unwilling to address them, likely because he has no good response. Which is why I assume people have such trouble answering questions about things they post.

Why should anyone believe this is an honest attempt at making things civil, when the civil lot of us have been begging for civility for years? How is appointing a hard right, disingenuous and dishonest poster who has unevenly treated posters based on their politics, a pathway from the current Bog of Eternal Stench to the claimed desire of a civil exchange of ideas?

Many of us came here for a civil exchange of ideas, driven by a thirst for knowledge. What happened over time, in your opinion? Why was civility lost and who is responsible?

Goran_K says

These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?

Do you agree or disagree with his statement?

Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.

Quigley says

errc says

Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech

What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!

I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head, you’re on his team and people like me that stand for Liberty and Freedom like a true Great American, are his/her enemy.

Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females, and their actions and motives certainly suggest it as well. So maybe I understand why they act like women...because they are women. Maybe if we treat them like women, they will respond better?

errc says

I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head

Well I'm also allowing "Obviously, empowering a right wing hyper partisan liar as mod of the Politics forum", and I also didn't delete your vicious racial slur against my wife (someone else did), so let's see where this goes. Maybe you have an interesting point, or maybe you're just throwing a tantrum. We'll see.

Goran_K says

errc says

I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head

Well I'm also allowing "Obviously, empowering a right wing hyper partisan liar as mod of the Politics forum", and I also didn't delete your vicious racial slur against my wife (someone else did), so let's see where this goes. Maybe you have an interesting point, or maybe you're just throwing a tantrum. We'll see.

One posted is factual

The other is a direct personal attack and character assassination.

I predicted that you would allow the uncivil personal attack, so I’m not surprised.


Do you believe that “were you just higher than normal “ is civil or uncivil

@Patrick

Which part are you refuting?

Lie- an intentionally false statement.

errc says

One posted is factual

The other is a direct personal attack and character assassination.

Fortunately, you do not get to decide this. You don't get to toss out racial slurs and personal attacks and then decide that "they are facts" instead of insults.

errc says

Which part are you refuting?

Lie- an intentionally false statement.

I'm not right wing. That's a lie.

errc says

Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females

Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.

Strategist says

errc says

Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females

Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.

Is this civil?

errc says

Is this civil?

I'm allowing your uncivil post and other uncivil post to see if you have a point. So far, you haven't made a coherent one. But I'm giving you some leeway. Continue please.

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females

Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.

Is this civil?

Yes, it is civil.

But please, I implore you to get out your main point in the next 2-3 post. After that I'll start some clean up. So far it seems you're angry that some of your posts were deleted, one of which included a vicious racial slur. At most forums that would have been an immediate ban, yet here you are.

Do you really think you're being treated unfairly based on your actions on this forum the past 2-3 days?

Goran_K says

errc says

One posted is factual

The other is a direct personal attack and character assassination.

Fortunately, you do not get to decide this. You don't get to toss out racial slurs and personal attacks and then decide that "they are facts" instead of insults.

Huh? How is this a response to What i said?

You’re not doing a good job of unbiased moderation. You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

And answer the question

errc says

You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.

Goran_K says

errc says

Which part are you refuting?

Lie- an intentionally false statement.

I'm not right wing. That's a lie.

How can anyone read your posts, and then not deduce that you are a right winger?

You’ve said “Leftism not even once....ever”, and also referred to Liberalism as a cancer. You constantly attack anything you see as Leftism, yet never ever offer up what the alternative is, which in our binary system is to embrace Republicans. You have never posted any criticism of anything or anyone Right Wing, so how on Earth would anyone label you as anything other than a Right Winger?

errc says

Huh? How is this a response to What i said?

You’re not doing a good job of unbiased moderation. You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

And answer the question

First off I didn't mark all of your comments uncivil or delete your comments in this thread.

Secondly, do you think you're being treated unfairly? You should have been banned for your racist comments. If we were "being fair", I'd delete a few perhaps off color comments but then I should go and institute a 24 hour ban on your account for your racist anger filled tirade that you posted 2-3 days ago.

Right now, Patrick has given us leeway to let discussions progress until they become back and forth personal attacks (which so far this conversation has yet to become).

So, please, answer the question, do you think you've been treated unfairly? I don't personally believe you have been, in fact I think you've been given incredible leeway given your past actions. Do you disagree?

So I'm guessing the lack of a response means you haven't been treated unfairly?

Goran_K says

errc says

Huh? How is this a response to What i said?

You’re not doing a good job of unbiased moderation. You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

And answer the question

First off I didn't mark all of your comments uncivil or delete your comments in this thread.

Secondly, do you think you're being treated unfairly? You should have been banned for your racist comments. If we were "being fair", I'd delete a few perhaps off color comments but then I should go and institute a 24 hour ban on your account for your racist anger filled tirade that you posted 2-3 days ago.

Right now, Patrick has given us leeway to let discussions progress until they become back and forth personal attacks (which so far this conversation has yet to become).

So, please, answer the question, do you think you've been treated unfairly? I don't personally believe you...

Are you drunk already , or just higher than usual? Are you sniffing glue?

Obviously I’m being treated unfairly.

You marked those posts as uncivil, and Patnet has a long history of allowing racist comments.

When Sniper posted “Bye Bye nigger boy!” As Obama left office, the post got more likes than dislikes

Strategist says

errc says

You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.

How do you figure?

It’s either civil or uncivil. Very simple

errc says

Are you drunk already , or just higher than usual? Are you sniffing glue?

Obviously I’m being treated unfairly.

You marked those posts as uncivil, and Patnet has a long history of allowing racist comments.

When Sniper posted “Bye Bye nigger boy!” As Obama left office, the post got more likes than dislikes

Alright, I've entertained your case long enough. You haven't made a real convincing case that you've been treated unfairly, and I'll leave your reasoning up for all to read and see and decide for themselves.

But after this point, keep your stuff civil, and no back and forth attacks. Thanks.

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.

How do you figure?

It’s either civil or uncivil. Very simple

One was a vicious and vulgar personal attack. The other was just poking fun at someone.

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.

How do you figure?

It’s either civil or uncivil. Very simple

Can't you see? We don't want you here.

Goran_K says

errc says

Are you drunk already , or just higher than usual? Are you sniffing glue?

Obviously I’m being treated unfairly.

You marked those posts as uncivil, and Patnet has a long history of allowing racist comments.

When Sniper posted “Bye Bye nigger boy!” As Obama left office, the post got more likes than dislikes

Alright, I've entertained your case long enough. You haven't made a real convincing case that you've been treated unfairly, and I'll leave your reasoning up for all to read and see and decide for themselves.

But after this point, keep your stuff civil, and no back and forth attacks. Thanks.

Wouldn’t the definition of being treated unfairly, include marking my posts as uncivil and removing them, while allowing others to comment at and around me in an uncivil fashion?

Strategist says

One was a vicious and vulgar personal attack.

Goran could easily have responded in kind, but did not. That takes a lot of class.

Wow finally people who get it. This site is great

errc says

Wouldn’t the definition of being treated unfairly, include marking my posts as uncivil and removing them, while allowing others to comment at and around me in an uncivil fashion?

No comments have been deleted or marked uncivil by myself today. You've gotten plenty of leeway.

errrc. this isn't the forum and thread to start "errc's grivances topics". If you have a problem with moderation, or other issues with uncivil, start a topic under the #patnet subtopic and tag Patrick.

You are derailing multiple topics now in various sub forums. Please start a new thread to discuss your grievances with the management, thanks.

Sniper says

Goran_K says

errrc. this isn't the forum and thread to start "errc's grivances topics". If you have a problem with moderation, or other issues with uncivil, start a topic under the #patnet subtopic and tag Patrick.

You are derailing multiple topics now in various sub forums.

Wow, how many threads has he derailed so far 5, 6, 7, more, with his grievances?

It's going "parabolic".

Derail? I’m asking questions

Very rich coming from you after years of attempting to destroy this forum by yourself and your various alias, after Patrick banned you.

I wonder if that picture that Patrick always liked of the runner shitting himself that was attributed to you and your posts, is still considered civil

Guys, let's keep it on topic.

He’s complaining about Sniper cluttering up the board while he posts two dozen posts of absolute whiny drivel and self justification for intolerant and hateful attacks on other members. I saw the post he made attacking your wife, Goran, and I was offended for my own reasons. He should have gotten a ban for a week.
I’ve liked his posts and we’ve spent lots of time arguing, but this new angry and aggro errc is just annoying. He’s made himself CiC 2.0

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females

Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.

Is this civil?

No. But it is humorous.
You should have marked jazz uncivil for calling Goran a woman.

So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?

You’ve also never once complained about him disrupting most every thread with personal attacks, but if I ask questions and point out inconsistencies, I should be banned?

That’s some strange reasoning

Strategist says

One was a vicious and vulgar personal attack. The other was just poking fun at someone.

There is that.

errc says

So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?

I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.

Goran_K says

errc says

So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?

I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.

Your credibility is deteriorating.

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol