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anonymous says

Saudis ‘would let Israeli jets use their air space to attack Iran’

Saudi Arabia is prepared to let Israeli fighter jets use its airspace if it proves necessary to attack Iran’s nuclear program, an Israeli TV station reported Tuesday, highlighting growing ties in the shadow of Tehran’s nuclear drive.

Iran is fucked.

Strategist says

I don't know. It's not their brains that made them famous. I see you chickened out by not addressing the 1967 Israeli victories against all odds. Spectacular, wasn't it?

I did address the 1967 war. It falls under the category of superior tactics. A massive preemptive strike and using misdirection ala Ardenne forest requires no superior weaponry at all. It requires careful planning, top notch tactics, and great execution. You do know that the Egyptians had soviet weapons but Jordan had western weapons don't you? Jordan actually had somewhat newer and better weapons in some area's. Want to explain why Israel wiped out Jordan just as easily as Egypt if superior weaponry is the key?

Now do you care to address why the Saudi's superior weapons aren't doing shit in Yemen?

Strategist says

bob2356 says

Strategist says

We chose not to use the weapons that could have given us easy victories.

Which weapon was it that would have provided an easy victory in the air war over Vietnam or a ground victory in Iraq or Afghanistan. Remember that this is an adult conversation and it's true because I say it's true isn't good enough..

Have you seen that old bumper sticker......"One nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day"
We chose not to ruin their day. :)

How does a nuclear bomb turn the tide in an air war?

Even more curious, how would punching giant nuclear bomb size holes in the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan have provided easy victory? The war against the Taliban was over an 800 mile long front that was mostly sparsely populated. I'm sure India and china which are downwind during the summer monsoon or all of Africa which is downwind during the winter monsoon , would be thrilled to have tons of highly radioactive fallout raining down on them. I'd love to see the president making those phone calls.
www.youtube.com/embed/6T2uBeiNXAo

bob2356 says

Strategist says

I don't know. It's not their brains that made them famous. I see you chickened out by not addressing the 1967 Israeli victories against all odds. Spectacular, wasn't it?

I did address the 1967 war. It falls under the category of superior tactics. A massive preemptive strike and using misdirection ala Ardenne forest requires no superior weaponry at all. It requires careful planning, top notch tactics, and great execution. You do know that the Egyptians had soviet weapons but Jordan had western weapons don't you? Jordan actually had somewhat newer and better weapons in some area's. Want to explain why Israel wiped out Jordan just as easily as Egypt if superior weaponry is the key?

I know you don't believe your own arguments. The most sophisticated weapons only go to Israel. I remember reading in college that the USA will never sell anything it cannot shoot down. If Israel is not an exception, it comes pretty damn close. I admit Israel has superior tactics. They have superior everything.....weapons, training, tactics, brains and more brains. The Arabs have inferior everything, starting with their fucked up Allah.


bob2356 says

Now do you care to address why the Saudi's superior weapons aren't doing shit in Yemen?

Obama restricted their use when too many innocent people started getting killed. Now with Trump, things may have quietly changed.

bob2356 says

Even more curious, how would punching giant nuclear bomb size holes in the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan have provided easy victory? The war against the Taliban was over an 800 mile long front that was mostly sparsely populated.

Ha ha ha.We won't be punching giant nuclear holes in the desert. It's a war, not a New Year fireworks display. The nuclear bombs would be used if necessary to blow up their nukes. There are tactical battlefield nukes too, which are used to blow up small targets like bridges.
Like I said before, those who stone women to death cannot be treated with nuclear weapons. The two must and will be separated.

bob2356 says

The war against the Taliban was over an 800 mile long front that was mostly sparsely populated.

You don't use nuclear weapons against rag tag flea ridden freaks. It's like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly in a glass house. You use drones to kill terrorists.

Strategist says

bob2356 says

The war against the Taliban was over an 800 mile long front that was mostly sparsely populated.

You don't use nuclear weapons against rag tag flea ridden freaks. It's like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly in a glass house. You use drones to kill terrorists.

You need to think like an Israeli, not those dumb Arabs.

Word is the Saudis are training the Lebanese to fight Hezbollah and finally exterminate that terrorist group.

It's interesting that certain Deep Staters who backed the Iraq War, all the interventions/coup attempts in Libya and Syria, the war with the Houthis, etc. all of sudden are skeptical on Saudi Arabia now that a moderate, young reformer is in charge.

No doubt because their patrons are being detained by the new Crown Prince, and because there is no money in solving the problem.

Strategist says

I know you don't believe your own arguments. The most sophisticated weapons only go to Israel.

It's true because I say it's true again?

Strategist says

bob2356 says

Even more curious, how would punching giant nuclear bomb size holes in the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan have provided easy victory? The war against the Taliban was over an 800 mile long front that was mostly sparsely populated.

Ha ha ha.We won't be punching giant nuclear holes in the desert. It's a war, not a New Year fireworks display. The nuclear bombs would be used if necessary to blow up their nukes. There are tactical battlefield nukes too, which are used to blow up small targets like bridges.
Like I said before, those who stone women to death cannot be treated with nuclear weapons. The two must and will be separated.

bob2356 says

The war against the Taliban was over an 800 mile long front that was mostly sparsely populated.

You don't use nuclear weapons again...

So this why we didn't win in afghanistan/iraq for so many years. Drones are the weapon you were talking about that we held back. And I thought I saw drones being used on the news. Silly me. So what happened to one nuclear bomb will ruin your whole day? I'm confused about what we held back so we could keep fighting in the ME for 16 years. What is the hold back de jour now?

Strategist says

bob2356 says

Now do you care to address why the Saudi's superior weapons aren't doing shit in Yemen?

Obama restricted their use when too many innocent people started getting killed. Now with Trump, things may have quietly changed.

Obama restricted saudi's use of drones? Got anything to back that up or it's true because I say it's true again?

bob2356 says

. So what happened to one nuclear bomb will ruin your whole day? I'm confused about what we held back so we could keep fighting in the ME for 16 years. What is the hold back de jour now?

Just waiting for Israel and Saudi Arabia to be done with their honeymoon. They're the ones who are determined to take out Iranian nukes.

anon_eecc4 says

bob2356 says

The way it works in adult conversations is if you say something is true you are expected to provide some type of basis for the assertion.

The way it works in adult conversations is if you say something is FALSE you are expected to provide some type of basis for the assertion.

Good thing no one said anything was false. What was said was the information supporting it was missing. Want to get in on the adult conversation now?

It’s only good for Israel and defense contractors.

McGee will come in soon and accuse me of being anti semi without facing the facts.

bob2356 says

If the USA is supporting the Saudis, obviously they will have the air force WE deem they should have. The $350 billion in weapons we are selling to the Saudis are not WW2 planes.
The team we support will win the war.

Well thats a given. The usa always wins the wars in which it participates due to our 'superiority". We must start intense training now for our young men to fight and give their lives to spread freedom and democracy through the middle east and save our homeland from terrorism. I learned that from the TV.

komputodo says

We must start intense training now for our young men to fight and give their lives to spread freedom and democracy through the middle east and save our homeland from terrorism. I learned that from the TV.

Must be CNN.

anonymous says

Saudi Arabia has some of the greatest military equipment money can buy, but its military is still not seen as a threat to its longtime rival Iran.

• Saudi Arabia's military has not proved capable of effectively fighting back Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen.

• Its arsenal is designed for a large conventional war — not proxy fighting.

Saudi Arabia's ambitions are limited by its military, which is considered an ineffective force even though the kingdom is one of the world's largest spenders on defense.

"The fact is, Iran is better at doing this stuff," said Michael Knights, a Lafer fellow at The Washington Institute who specializes in the military and security affairs of Iraq, Iran, and the Persian Gulf.

"There's nobody in the Iranian General Staff that's afraid of Saudi Arabia on the ground," Knights said.

Saudi Arabia's struggles in Yemen — where its years-long conflict with the Houthi rebels has no end in sight — reveals its shortcomin...

Hmmmmm. Another $350 billion in arms from the USA might do the trick. Hey we need the money.

Iranian Military advisors withdrawn fleeing Yemen

http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/36465/Iran-withdraws-40-military-advisors-from-Yemen

Word is Hezbollah is returning to Lebanon "to fight Israel". BS, they're there to try to prevent Lebanon's Government from disarming them with help from the Gulf States.

BorderPatrol says

McGee will come in soon and accuse me of being anti semi without facing the facts.

What facts? We got nukes, I see what is happening in France and Sweden, you can't take up arms against your neighbor, lose the fight, and then demand to return to your home. Tough shit for the Paleban. There's plenty of Oil money and jobs in Dubai.