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anonymous
2017 Dec 28, 10:26am
Sniper says
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errc says
#FakeNews you’re gobbling up the Real Propaganda now, how about you just keep it to yourself?
Puking much these days?
@patrick uncivil
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anonymous
2017 Dec 29, 8:33am
Onvacation says
Thank you. I believe this has been gone over here at pat net. The thing is people are psychotic just in general. It's not the MJ that makes them psychotic it only makes it come out faster.
anon_13ce6 says
Forgive me for not believing you without proof. Got any?
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/substance-use-disorder/cannabis-induced-psychosis-review
I remember reading about the vomiting thing too. Use google to verify.
Thank you. I believe this has been gone over here at pat net. The thing is people are psychotic just in general. It's not the MJ that makes them psychotic it only makes it come out faster.
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anonymous
2017 Dec 29, 8:33am
This article is not using the data on marijuana ER visits properly, and using it to exaggerate the connection of cannabis to psychosis (this is their reference #2: https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/DAWN127/DAWN127/sr127-DA...).
1. The article in the Psychiatric Times is about cannabis-induced psychosis, total ER visits is not data about psychosis which is the topic of the article. For example, this study in the NEJM (http://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMc1515009/suppl_file/nejmc15150...), using of data from more than 100 hospitals reported to the Colorado Hospital Association from 2011 through 2014, showed that only 6% of 2,603 ER visits for marijuana included some psychotic symptoms (the 6% included patients with “agitation” only as well, so not all of the 6%, but further detailed data is not provided), and 43% were for GI or cardiopulmonary reasons.
2. “Marijuana-related” ER visits does not mean other substances were not taken, many ER visits are not related to one substance (see the full DAWN report).
3. Persons getting “marijuana” on the street does not mean the substance in question for the ER visits was not “spiked” with other substances.
4. There is no data on the purity, dose, or strength of the substance taken.
5. The U.S. population also increased by 12 million persons from 2006 to 2011 (https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/population), naturally the absolute number of substance related ER visits will increase over this time-the data needs to be per 100,000 of population.
The ER visit data is not about psychosis and is not a clinical trial. We’d need to see the incidence of psychotic symptoms vs dose in a controlled trial of a substance of confirmed purity. Psychotic symptoms would need to be operationally defined in terms of severity and duration for the data to have meaning. For example, 5-minutes of feeling paranoid would not be a good indicator of psychotic risk.
Mental disorders due to legally sold marijuana is a concern for society, unfortunately this article does not have strong controlled data and the senior Dr. George being a NIDA sponsored researcher suggests the article is part of a NIDA sponsored curb on marijuana use campaign.
Doug Beger, M.D., Ph.D.
U.S. Board-Certified Psychiatrist
Tokyo, Japan
1. The article in the Psychiatric Times is about cannabis-induced psychosis, total ER visits is not data about psychosis which is the topic of the article. For example, this study in the NEJM (http://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMc1515009/suppl_file/nejmc15150...), using of data from more than 100 hospitals reported to the Colorado Hospital Association from 2011 through 2014, showed that only 6% of 2,603 ER visits for marijuana included some psychotic symptoms (the 6% included patients with “agitation” only as well, so not all of the 6%, but further detailed data is not provided), and 43% were for GI or cardiopulmonary reasons.
2. “Marijuana-related” ER visits does not mean other substances were not taken, many ER visits are not related to one substance (see the full DAWN report).
3. Persons getting “marijuana” on the street does not mean the substance in question for the ER visits was not “spiked” with other substances.
4. There is no data on the purity, dose, or strength of the substance taken.
5. The U.S. population also increased by 12 million persons from 2006 to 2011 (https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/population), naturally the absolute number of substance related ER visits will increase over this time-the data needs to be per 100,000 of population.
The ER visit data is not about psychosis and is not a clinical trial. We’d need to see the incidence of psychotic symptoms vs dose in a controlled trial of a substance of confirmed purity. Psychotic symptoms would need to be operationally defined in terms of severity and duration for the data to have meaning. For example, 5-minutes of feeling paranoid would not be a good indicator of psychotic risk.
Mental disorders due to legally sold marijuana is a concern for society, unfortunately this article does not have strong controlled data and the senior Dr. George being a NIDA sponsored researcher suggests the article is part of a NIDA sponsored curb on marijuana use campaign.
Doug Beger, M.D., Ph.D.
U.S. Board-Certified Psychiatrist
Tokyo, Japan
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anonymous
2017 Dec 29, 8:33am
That's a comment about the article from a doctor. So which doctor is right?
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Patrick
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2017 Dec 29, 9:28am
Patrick
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2017 Dec 29, 9:28am
BlueSardine says
Lol, fun idea. Would be pretty easy to do.
Give the 'jailed' the ability to post bail.
Another hidden income stream!
Patrick saysTrue, jailed.
Lol, fun idea. Would be pretty easy to do.
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UsualOven
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2017 Dec 29, 9:54am
The below Tweeted by Bill Dixon and confirmed by personal experience, get a vaporizer and avoid high strength edibles
Every story about edible weed:
1. Not high.
2. Not high.
3. Still not high.
4. Not high.
5. Please drive me to the emergency room
Every story about edible weed:
1. Not high.
2. Not high.
3. Still not high.
4. Not high.
5. Please drive me to the emergency room
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anonymous
2017 Dec 29, 10:11am
What do we call the people who are just now trying Cannabis for the first time?
Certainly not Americans, because allowing the Government to decide which medicinal flowers you utilize goes against the very spirit of being American.
Seriously, what kind of Failed Loser is open to the possibility that they might want to try to utilize Cannabis, but they’re awaiting permission from their mommee the USFEDGOV?
Oh but it’s illegal! Can’t do that!
Oh but now it’s legal! Let’s give it a try. And a bad rap to boot because I’m a Failed Loser POS anti-American halfwit who doesn’t know how to live my life without the big government controlling me!!
The greatest form of Mind Control, is Self Censorship of ideas.
Certainly not Americans, because allowing the Government to decide which medicinal flowers you utilize goes against the very spirit of being American.
Seriously, what kind of Failed Loser is open to the possibility that they might want to try to utilize Cannabis, but they’re awaiting permission from their mommee the USFEDGOV?
Oh but it’s illegal! Can’t do that!
Oh but now it’s legal! Let’s give it a try. And a bad rap to boot because I’m a Failed Loser POS anti-American halfwit who doesn’t know how to live my life without the big government controlling me!!
The greatest form of Mind Control, is Self Censorship of ideas.
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Patrick
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2017 Dec 29, 10:53am
Patrick
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2017 Dec 29, 10:53am
UsualOven says
Lol, so true!
Rule for newbies: start with 5mg or less, and wait at least two hours before eating any more.
The below Tweeted by Bill Dixon and confirmed by personal experience, get a vaporizer and avoid high strength edibles
Every story about edible weed:
1. Not high.
2. Not high.
3. Still not high.
4. Not high.
5. Please drive me to the emergency room
Lol, so true!
Rule for newbies: start with 5mg or less, and wait at least two hours before eating any more.
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If you have never used cannabis, or if it has been a long time since you have, you need to know that pot isn't just consumed through joints and bongs anymore. Consumers also use vape pens, edibles and other products.
And marijuana has higher amounts of THC – pot's psychoactive ingredient – than it once did. In the early 1990s, the average amount of THC in confiscated marijuana samples was roughly 3.7 percent, according to the National Institute of Drug Abuse. Now, many retail strains test in the high 20s and some even top 30 percent.
In addition, edibles have come a long way since the days when homemade pot brownies were the only choice, and they can be potent as well – who can forget New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd's infamous opinion piece about consuming too much of a weed candy bar during a trip to Colorado?
continue -> http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/california-weed/article191547304.html