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Strategist says

Onvacation says

The sea has risen very little. 10 inches in a century and a half.

One question answered

There was no pollution 150 years ago. It's entirely possible most of the 10 inch increase happened very recently.
I don't see global warming as a serious problem though, because alternative energy and electric cars will soon arrive like an avalanche, and the problem will be solved.

/facepalm
I'm actually a denier, but I'm ok with reducing pollution. I simply can't believe everyone looks to the USA to lead emissions reductions when I don't see any of our cities, large or small, suffering from air pollution like China and India. If these countries really cared, they would take steps like we did to reign in the problem. Instead, things seem to be getting worse in these countries. The human toll in future will be horrendous, but maybe they figure the people will just die early from lung diseases and cancer. Overpopulation problem solved!

anon_1bd09 says

anon_b8f55 says

“Science does not care about popularity contests.” It’s hilarious that you say that. What does the science say about climate change? Not your ‘science’ by the way, but what the actual researchers in the field say.

The actual researches in the field have lowered the ECS to 1.5. Of course, that fact is downplayed in all the usual newspapers so that likes of you can dismiss and ignore it.
Here is an example https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ipcc-revises-climate-sensitivity/

What you link in no way negates my point.

Hilarious. :)

Can someone explain to me why the two Rew posts above are in comment jail? Is that the level of censorship we now have on here? This site used to allow people to say pretty much anything, and now you can’t even say that. Seriously?

Sniper jailed those. This one seems legit, since it is a personal insult instead of just about the topic of argument:

I'm beginning to doubt your capacity for simple internet research, and many other things ...

But you're right, the other was not a personal attack, and so is liberated now.

rocketjoe79 says

Strategist says

Onvacation says

The sea has risen very little. 10 inches in a century and a half.

One question answered

There was no pollution 150 years ago. It's entirely possible most of the 10 inch increase happened very recently.
I don't see global warming as a serious problem though, because alternative energy and electric cars will soon arrive like an avalanche, and the problem will be solved.

/facepalm
I'm actually a denier, but I'm ok with reducing pollution. I simply can't believe everyone looks to the USA to lead emissions reductions when I don't see any of our cities, large or small, suffering from air pollution like China and India. If these countries really cared, they would take steps like we did to reign in the problem. Instead, things seem to be getting worse ...

They are taking steps.

That is not a personal attack. OP poster continues to ask easily found answers/facts available to anyone who can use a search engine and read.

One cannot read this thread and wonder what the point of repeatedly asking is, and what their general literacy is.

Google it. It's right here:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201608

errc says

Where did Bernie connect weather to climate?

C'mon man... hahahahahahah

Rew says

Pnet: where the most ignored, butthurt, and blocked police the forums.

Are yo-u saying that AF is the forum Nazi?

Patrick says

Sniper jailed those. This one seems legit, since it is a personal insult instead of just about the topic of argument:

I'm beginning to doubt your capacity for simple internet research, and many other things ...

But you're right, the other was not a personal attack, and so is liberated now.

That’s testing the bounds, is it not? You’ve taken things too far when a comment like that is not acceptable. Every day, we see insults that are not banned simply because they are couched in a slightly generic way or favour the prevailing sentiment on here. It’s getting a bit ridiculous.

Sniper says

Haven't you said over and over using the word "yo-u" is a personal attack?

Patrick says

If you're attacking the user rather than sticking to attacking his point, that's my definition of incivility.

Didn't you even write a sub-routine that if Sniper had the word "yo-u" in a post, it would immediately get dumped?

So you think he was trying to block that particular subject pronoun rather than what invariably came after it. I see.

Rew says

One cannot read this thread and wonder what the point of repeatedly asking is, and what their general literacy is.

Expose the fraud of CAGW and educate the uninformed.

The questions are important and the answers point out the deceptions of the alarmists.
Many people that accept CAGW as gospel do not know the answers to these questions.
The fact that we have over a hundred posts and all of the questions have NOT been answered and instead the true believers have resorted to personal attacks speaks volumes.

Onvacation says

The questions are important and the answers point out the deceptions of the alarmists.
Many people that accept CAGW as gospel do not know the answers to these questions.
The fact that we have over a hundred posts and all of the questions have NOT been answered and instead the true believers have resorted to personal attacks speaks volumes.

You still haven't answered my questions either. What is your position on global warming?

1. The earth isn't warming?
2. The earth is warming but it's part of a natural cycle and not due to any human causes
3. The earth is warming due to humans, but climate is self regulating and a few degrees up or down doesn't matter
4. The earth is warming due to humans and may have catastrophic effects, but there's nothing we can do about it so why bother.

HappyGilmore says

You still haven't answered my questions either. What is your position on global warming?

5. The earth is warmed by the sun.

NOW will you answer my questions?

Onvacation says

5. The earth is warmed by the sun.

NOW will you answer my questions?

hilarious. Why should anyone answer any questions of yours when you are so obviously disingenuous.

HappyGilmore says

hilarious. Why should anyone answer any questions of yours when you are so obviously disingenuous.

Onvacation says

The fact that we have over a hundred posts and all of the questions have NOT been answered and instead the true believers have resorted to personal attacks speaks volumes.

I rest my case, for now.

Onvacation says

I rest my case, for now.

As do I.

Patrick should allow anyone that’s been here for years the ability to ban Sniper/Ironman/CallitCrazy and the other aliases he has made here with the sole intent of harassing people, stifling everyone elses right to free speech, and disrupting the forum.

@Patrick, there’s your solution, what say you?

@errc you do have that ability, as long as you're logged in.

Just go to https://patrick.net/user/Sniper and click "ignore"

Why do some have the ability to mark posts uncivil while others do not?

@patrick
Perhaps you should add an off topic button and jail?
Users always have the option of airing their grievances in a new thread.

I feel as though you have been fair to your users. I do like your efforts to clean up the sight and keep people on topics instead of name calling.

Please mark this post as off topic.

Patrick says

@errc you do have that ability, as long as you're logged in.

Just go to https://patrick.net/user/Sniper and click "ignore"

That doesn’t work. He will still log off and quote my postings and then respond. Worse still, he is on a 24/7 mission to harass everyone else and stifle the free speech of others by constantly attacking their character and intentionally disrupting open and honest discussion.

Why do you constantly skirt around the issue? Grow a set, @Patrick

So I should simply delete him again and wait for him to come back again?

Sniper is a mixed bag. He does usually have some content to his posts in spite of the personal attacks.

OK, here's what I'll do: all of Sniper's comments and posts will go into moderation until he develops a pretty clean new track record. I'll just delete the personal attacks before they get out there.

errc says

That doesn’t work. He will still log off and quote my postings and then respond.

If you have him on ignore, how do you see his posts?

Patrick says

OK, here's what I'll do: all of Sniper's comments and posts will go into moderation until he develops a pretty clean new track record.

Really?

Let's look at the totals for December in Comment Jail (and December isn't over yet) to see who has the most.

errc: 10
HappyGilmore: 8
BorderPatrol: 4
Rew: 2
Bob: 2
Sniper: 2

errc says

Worse still, he is on a 24/7 mission to harass everyone else and stifle the free speech of others by constantly attacking their character and intentionally disrupting open and honest discussion.

Honestly, based on post counts in Comment Jail, everyone can see which posters do the most harassing and attacking.

Yes, we need more changes to the rules for people who cause the least problems, because the posters calling for the changes are the real problem.

@Patrick
What about that off topic idea?
It could share the uncivil button and jail. It would force people to be civil and stay on topic; wouldn't that be nice?

I do take this topic, the environment, seriously. I don't think it belongs in politics but that is where rhe alarmists are arguing it. Even after a hundred posts only a couple of answers have been posted. I have been following this topic for a while and I predict the alarmists are not going to even address a couple of the questions' answers.

Love your site Patrick. The trolls and sockpuppets are entertaining and the topics are interesting

Please mark this off topic.

Onvacation says

Even after a hundred posts only a couple of answers have been posted. I have been following this topic for a while and I predict the alarmists are not going to even address a couple of the questions' answers.

When you answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Sniper says

Honestly, based on post counts in Comment Jail, everyone can see which posters do the most harassing and attacking.

lol--how many of those were marked uncivil by you?

@Onvacation that is a good idea.

So there would be a third option called "off topic". But if you mark a comment as off topic, where should it go?

Patrick says

@Onvacation that is a good idea.

So there would be a third option called "off topic". But if you mark a comment as off topic, where should it go?

Just change the button's label to uncivil/off topic. Go to jail until judged; simple.

Onvacation says

Go to jail until judged; simple.

But then I could mark this comment as off topic, wasting everyone's time. And by the way, you are off topic.

anon_08dee says

But then I could mark this comment as off topic, wasting everyone's time

True, the biggest problem with this is time. Maybe users should have a certain amount of history on the site before being allowed to mark a comment as off-topic.

Patrick says

anon_08dee says

But then I could mark this comment as off topic, wasting everyone's time

True, the biggest problem with this is time. Maybe users should have a certain amount of history on the site before being allowed to mark a comment as off-topic.

Just revoke button privelage for serial abusers.
You are the master.

For Likes, Dislikes, Uncivil, Offtopic, make users purchase Patrick.Net Credits @ a dime a credit.
Process and handling charge: $ 2.00 per transaction.
Then users 'pay' to be able to use the links above.
Makes one think twice before clicking...

Patrick says

anon_08dee says

But then I could mark this comment as off topic, wasting everyone's time

True, the biggest problem with this is time. Maybe users should have a certain amount of history on the site before being allowed to mark a comment as off-topic.

Onvacation says

Just revoke button privelage for serial abusers.

Yes, I do that now, but it also takes time. Need to automate it better.

BlueSardine says

For Likes, Dislikes, Uncivil, Offtopic, make users purchase Patrick.Net Credits @ a dime a credit.

Lol, OK, maybe certain things should cost, like changing your user name.

Rew says

All the anon lurkers: you need to give actual users an ability to block them all.

All the anonymous comments have to go through moderation, so there should not be any personal attacks visible from anon_ users. Are there any?

Rew says

This is no longer a site exchanging ideas, in neutrality. There is a clear agenda here.

Can't we all get along?
@Patrick
Onvacation says

Please mark this off topic.

So I can get back to my questions for alarmists. Thanks.

Onvacation says

So I can get back to my questions for alarmists. Thanks.

Great--how about you start by answering mine?

HappyGilmore says

Great--how about you start by answering mine?

Onvacation says

How much has the temp and sea level risen in the last hundred years?
Answer 3/4 of 1 degree of temp and 4 inches of sea level.

How much did the temp rise between 2015 (2nd hottest year) and 2016 ( hottest year EVER)?

Answer 4/100 of one degree.
How can they measure such a small increase over the entire globe? Not answered

If the earth is warming why is the hottest temp ever recorded over a century old?

What is the ideal temp for human habitation?

Still waiting for answers to these important questions.

So does that mean you can't answer my simple question?

And what happened to the high priest of global warmings (Michael Mann) hockey stick?