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justme
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2018 Jan 10, 3:31pm
justme
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2018 Jan 10, 3:31pm
I have brought up the science of the greenhouse effect numerous times already. The greenhouse effect is science that cannot be questioned. Thanks for doing it again.
It is a tactical mistake to talk about climate change or global warming. Whenever someone disputes climate change or global warming, the correct response is to explain global warming in terms of the greenhouse effect and greenhouse gases.
It is a tactical mistake to talk about climate change or global warming. Whenever someone disputes climate change or global warming, the correct response is to explain global warming in terms of the greenhouse effect and greenhouse gases.
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Heraclitusstudent
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2018 Jan 10, 3:37pm
Heraclitusstudent
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2018 Jan 10, 3:37pm
What denialists are rejecting is not complex models of the future. No, they are rejecting DIRECT MEASURES of things observed NOW.
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anonymous
2018 Jan 11, 9:05am
justme says
Does that include water vapor (the largest greenhouse gas)?
Water vapor is by far the dominate greenhouse gas in the Earth atmosphere.
What is the source of that heat?
the correct response is to explain global warming in terms of the greenhouse effect and greenhouse gases.
Does that include water vapor (the largest greenhouse gas)?
Water vapor is by far the dominate greenhouse gas in the Earth atmosphere.
What is the source of that heat?
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Onvacation
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2018 Jan 11, 9:47am
Onvacation
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2018 Jan 11, 9:47am
Please show me the formula that relates co2 increase to temperature rise.
How well does the formula correlate to observed fact?
How well does the formula correlate to observed fact?
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Shaman
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2018 Jan 11, 10:15am
Shaman
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2018 Jan 11, 10:15am
Um nobody is debating whether certain gases help prevent Infrared radiation from the earth traveling to space and thus cooling the planet. Of the gases, water vapor is much MUCH better at providing this affect than CO2. A cloudy winters day is always warmer than a clear winters day, even though the CO2 concentrations are the same on both days.
That science is settled.
What ISNT settled is how much (if any) total warming effect the increased CO2 atmospheric concentration will have on our planet long term.
That science is settled.
What ISNT settled is how much (if any) total warming effect the increased CO2 atmospheric concentration will have on our planet long term.
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https://scienceofdoom.com/roadmap/co2/
"What is interesting is seeing the actual values of longwave radiation at the earth’s surface and the comparison 1-d simulations for that particular profile. (See Part Five for a little more about 1-d simulations of the “radiative transfer equations”). The data and the mathematical model matches very well.
Is that surprising?
It shouldn’t be if you have worked your way through all the posts in this series. Calculating the radiative forcing from CO2 or any other gas is mathematically demanding but well-understood science."
"Measurements of longwave radiation at the earth’s surface help to visualize the “greenhouse” effect. For people doubting its existence this measured radiation might also help to convince them that it is a real effect!"