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I have brought up the science of the greenhouse effect numerous times already. The greenhouse effect is science that cannot be questioned. Thanks for doing it again.

It is a tactical mistake to talk about climate change or global warming. Whenever someone disputes climate change or global warming, the correct response is to explain global warming in terms of the greenhouse effect and greenhouse gases.

What denialists are rejecting is not complex models of the future. No, they are rejecting DIRECT MEASURES of things observed NOW.

justme says

the correct response is to explain global warming in terms of the greenhouse effect and greenhouse gases.

Does that include water vapor (the largest greenhouse gas)?

Water vapor is by far the dominate greenhouse gas in the Earth atmosphere.





What is the source of that heat?

Please show me the formula that relates co2 increase to temperature rise.

How well does the formula correlate to observed fact?

You do have a formula, right?

Um nobody is debating whether certain gases help prevent Infrared radiation from the earth traveling to space and thus cooling the planet. Of the gases, water vapor is much MUCH better at providing this affect than CO2. A cloudy winters day is always warmer than a clear winters day, even though the CO2 concentrations are the same on both days.

That science is settled.

What ISNT settled is how much (if any) total warming effect the increased CO2 atmospheric concentration will have on our planet long term.

Heraclitusstudent says

CO2 greenhouse effect in details

Very disappointed, was expecting a breakdown on cow farts...

This cold weather isn't a cool pocket of air that was created on earth then sent wandering around.
Winter Cold snaps and bitter chills like these as well as those rare occasions that it Snows in July in North America.
Are due to the Earth burping excess gases, heat and pressure. As it does so, the air near the rip is cooled by the sub zero temps of space. Cold air sinks, as it does it oozes over the upper continents until it is brought up to temp. Each burp sends millions of tons of CO2 and other green house gases out into Space. The Earth is a fine tuned climate control machine.
Those pissheads don't understand the complexities. The atmosphere is not static. The earth is breathing and belching constantly.

Quigley says

Um nobody is debating whether certain gases help prevent Infrared radiation from the earth traveling to space and thus cooling the planet. Of the gases, water vapor is much MUCH better at providing this affect than CO2. A cloudy winters day is always warmer than a clear winters day, even though the CO2 concentrations are the same on both days.

Except there is no reason for concentrations of water vapor to change - outside, of course, the extra heat coming from CO2, which creates more water vapor and amplifies the warming.

DoofusRicky says

Brother bass

I honestly like the way you call everyone "brother" @DoofusRicky

NuttBoxer says

I've often wondered whether it would be possible to extract and burn methane from the atmosphere for a double-win:

1. free energy, maybe even a good profit
2. less greenhouse gasses (methane is far worse than CO2)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_methane

Heraclitusstudent says

Quigley says

Um nobody is debating whether certain gases help prevent Infrared radiation from the earth traveling to space and thus cooling the planet. Of the gases, water vapor is much MUCH better at providing this affect than CO2. A cloudy winters day is always warmer than a clear winters day, even though the CO2 concentrations are the same on both days.

Except there is no reason for concentrations of water vapor to change - outside, of course, the extra heat coming from CO2, which creates more water vapor and amplifies the warming.

So what would happen if the sun didn't come up tomorrow, would all this trace CO2 keep us warm?