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This is why Leftism is going to eventually die out: Ideology vs Truth.


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2018 Jan 21, 11:20am   13,706 views  56 comments

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Eye opening display of blind leftism being absolutely picked apart, totally destroyed, over a 30 minute interview.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/aMcjxSThD54

2.5 million views, 50,000 comments and rising.

This happens all the time now. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro regularly publicly destroy leftist ideas in the forum of public opinion, and it's always a slaughter.

Think about a Monday Night Football game, where one team has scored 4 touchdowns by the half, and you're only watching the 2nd half to see how bad it gets. These aren't even ideological debates anymore, it's ideological wipeouts. Now because of social media literally tens of millions of people are seeing these blowouts, and it's hurting leftism deeply.

Leftist think they are winning because MSM controls cable. That's true. The problem is, young people aren't watching CNN or NBC or care much about Don Lemon or Jake Tapper. They go onto social media and see these destructive battles of ideology and see leftist ideological corpses left in their wake.

There are no Ben Shapiros or Jordan Petersons on the left either. None exist.

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41   Goran_K   2018 Jan 23, 8:40am  

Strategist says
This is really sad. We won't have anyone left to kick around.
Pelosi and Schumer......humiliated.
Democrats.......looking very foolish.
Economy......rebounding like crazy.
Unemployment......Too low to even mention.
China......caving in on trade.
Kim Jong Un.........Running scared.
Pakistan.........no more aid.
Palestinians....no Jerusalem for them.
Iran.......already starting to shiver
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Dear Trump, Where the fuck were you all this time?


Seriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s.

Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.
42   lostand confused   2018 Jan 23, 1:21pm  

Goran_K says
Seriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s.

Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.

I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!
43   BayArea   2018 Jan 23, 1:51pm  

lostand confused says
Goran_K says
Seriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s.

Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.

I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!


I also played Trump too conservatively In the finance department, at least initially. Mistake.
44   Goran_K   2018 Jan 23, 2:20pm  

lostand confused says
I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!


I seriously under estimated Trump's effect on American politics. He's out maneuvered the Democrats are pretty much every turn. My initial prediction was that Trump might get some things incrementally done (such as weakening ACA), but I never expected him to deliver a roaring economy, tax reform, and outright killing ACA in one fell swoop.

Now he's focusing on illegal immigration reform, and I don't think I'll doubt him again. He's going to get it done.
45   Strategist   2018 Jan 23, 5:54pm  

Goran_K says

Now he's focusing on illegal immigration reform, and I don't think I'll doubt him again. He's going to get it done.


He's got 7 years to do it. It will be done.
46   BayArea   2018 Jan 24, 7:02am  

I underestimated trump in the campaign, underestimated him in his first year in office.

I’m done underestimating him and won’t bet against him moving forward.

And that Jordan Peterson clip was impressive. How to tame and humiliate a rabid lefty with an agenda and blood coming out of her you know what... eyes
47   Goran_K   2018 Jan 24, 8:28am  

BayArea says
How to tame and humiliate a rabid lefty with an agenda and blood coming out of her you know what... eyes



The best part is she ran full face into it during that last part where Jordan Peterson pointed out that she had been trying to make him uncomfortable, and had been rabidly aggressive during the past 30 minutes, but it was HER RIGHT to risk offending him to debate ideas, instead of not risking being offensive and not debating at all (which is what the left wants).

Her enormous brain fart, and subsequent admitting that she had been logically submitted on live TV was the icing on a very delicious cake.
48   lostand confused   2018 Jan 24, 8:54am  

I am just waiting for him to take on the FBI cabal. Democracy itself is at stake here.
49   FortWayne   2018 Jan 24, 9:00am  

That was a really informative video. We all know feminists are crazy, and I'm sure I wouldn't be able to have that sort of a debate with one as he did. Now granted, most of the time it's not live television and they just yell over you anyway.
50   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Jan 24, 12:38pm  

Politically, Peterson describes himself as a classic British liberal.
But of course, many right wing people on this board consider radical SJW as a prototypical representation of the left - which is a bit like saying Nazis represent the right.
51   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Jan 24, 12:47pm  

I listened to a debate between Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson in which Harris eviscerated Peterson on his epistemological views.
I think Peterson was trying to include things like Jungian archetypes as a level of "truth" - which may be expected from a clinical psychologist but didn't fare well against raw realism.
Many academics should spend an afternoon with their hands in the grease trying to fix a car engine. This would help them to distinguish more clearly subjective and objective reality.
52   Goran_K   2018 Jan 25, 9:03am  

For those who haven't seen Sam Harris.

Here he is on CNN debating Islamist defender Zakara.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/bZtNpQwcKGs
53   anonymous   2018 Jan 25, 6:02pm  

HS, make no mistake, even with all the Jungian mumbo-jumbo, Peterson's framework is firmly rooted in evolutionary biology. Objective reality from that framework says that as your underlying environment changes, all the material knowledge in the world (just the facts, Sam Harris) won't save your bacon. Watch out for the cat-bird-snake, bucko.
54   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Jan 25, 10:27pm  

anon_3e01a says
HS, make no mistake, even with all the Jungian mumbo-jumbo, Peterson's framework is firmly rooted in evolutionary biology. Objective reality from that framework says that as your underlying environment changes, all the material knowledge in the world (just the facts, Sam Harris) won't save your bacon. Watch out for the cat-bird-snake, bucko.


Well of course it is.
Let's cut it into layers:
1 - The subjective world: this is first-person experience: Everything we are consciously aware of, including perception, sensations like thirst or pain, and feelings like frustration or love.
2 - the physical world, aka the real world
3 - the behavior of the brain seen as a third person experience.

(1) is pretty much the only thing we can be certain of, however, it is not shared between people.
(2) is a subset of (1) in the way we experience it, but it is more tangible than most other subjective facts. In addition, it is shared between people.
(3) the brain-behavior is part of (2) and should normally also describe (1). Our subjective impressions should be explained by the physiology of the brain and neurons activity.

When you talk about evolutionary psychology, you are talking about (3). And normally Jungian archetype can be understood as (3), but also as (1) (first-person vs third-person).

Now Harris is a moral realist, meaning he tries to understand some subjective notions like well-being as a part of the universe. In a way, his claim is that part of (1) is really obviously shared between humans. For example, we all understand that a woman wearing an Islamic tent is probably not optimal well-being. But I think he really approaches it on layer (3), as a neuroscientist. This is tricky because some notions like pain cannot easily be understood on layer (3). On layer (3) you would see pain as a signal, not as feeling the pain.
Whereas Peterson (I think) was trying to make the claim that part of (1) (outside of the real world) can be understood as truth. Now, maybe this can be done, but this is also tricky because it's not shared between people and not very tangible. The way he presented it was in a Darwinian way: truth is anything that doesn't get you killed. This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense and didn't fly with Harris.
55   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jan 25, 10:51pm  

What's even better about Trump is the $50,000 my almost-entirely-index-fund investments have made.

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