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I like Jordan Peterson A LOT. I'm a huge fan and I'm what you guys call left wing. Truth is I'm very moderate,
but liberal compared to our skewed politics today.

The lady is digging at Peterson and things he's on the record saying in a way that allows him to make his points very well. For all we know, she or her producer are fans of Peterson's, helping showcase some of his arguments. You have to have someone taking the other side. If you make them look stupid, all the better (if you actually agree with him). You really think the intent of this broadcast was to make the left point of view look good ?

Think about it. It's television. Not a demonstration of left versus right. Maybe a demonstration of silly/stupid versus smart.

You wish it was right versus left because that fits a fantasy description of "the left" which is to associate it with the most far left SJW imbecile gender studies majors on college campuses. That would be like me saying that everyone on the right is like the worst right wing trolls on this forum. Obviously not true. I know of many sane and relatively moderate republicans. Although even many of them live in a bubble to a great enough extent that they might buy into the nonsense of your assertions here - at least to some degree.

Goran_K says

This is why Leftism is going to eventually die out: Ideology vs Truth.

I see this video as evidence of the opposite. Which view do you think the typical center liberal identifies with when they watch this ? Everyone is learning about the silliness of the far left sjws, and many moderate liberals even blame them for Trumps being President.

Nice try though.

Plenty of real liberals identify with this point of view.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html

marcus says

For all we know, she or her producer are fans of Peterson's, helping showcase some of his arguments. You have to have someone taking the other side. If you make them look stupid, all the better (if you actually agree with him). You really tink the intent of this broadcast was to make the left point of vew look good ?

I'll admit that could be a possibility, but why make the debate look so one sided? btw, I've seen Jordan Peterson do this in public debates before (Shapiro as well). I've never seen a leftist publicly debate either individual and not come out looking like a moron.

Just the way Cathy Newman reacts, visible facial ticks, and the way she's emotionally responding, it tells me she was being genuine. Or Cathy Newman is actually one of the best actresses of our time and should quit her job as a news anchor. To me, it just doesn't seem realistic for someone like Cathy Newman (well known leftist personality) to "throw a debate" especially for someone she probably hates. I think this was 100% genuine.

The funny part is, Peterson isn't a right winger. He's a true LIBERAL. Cathy is a leftist. 99% of Democrats don't know the difference.
marcus says

You wish it was right versus left because that fits a fantasy description of "the left" which is to associate it with the most far left SJW imbecile gender studies majors on college campuses. That would be like me saying that everyone on the right is like the worst right wing trolls on this forum. Obviously not true. I know of many sane and relatively moderate republicans. Although even many of them live in a bubble and to varying degrees would buy into the nonsense of your assertions here.

No, I don't. I actually wish debates were more like the above video. I want ideas to be exposed to the daylight of public review and opinion instead of the indoctrination most people get from MSM, or Hollywood. Youtube and social media has made this possible. CNN and MSNBC and other lefty networks have tried to control the narrative and that's not helpful to us as a nation. If an idea is bad, it should stand the test of being reviewed and questioned, not blindly accepted.

I saw Don Lemon (CNN's favorite black parrot) attack Martin Luther King Jr's nephew of being a fame seeker, using MLK's name to get attention simply because he didn't think Trump was racist (an opinion shared by MLK's niece, Alveda King, as well). Can you believe that? Trying to tear down the MLK's family members simply because they don't agree with CNN's fantasy narrative that Trump hates people of color.

That IMO is ridiculous. The debate between Peterson and Cathy Newman is what we need, for all of these issues. I seriously want to see Chuck Schumer defend why 800,000 illegal aliens should get amnesty without border and immigration reform.

Goran_K says

saw Don Lemon (CNN's favorite black parrot) attack Martin Luther King Jr's nephew of being a fame seeker, using MLK's name to get attention simply because he didn't think Trump was racist (an opinion shared by MLK's niece, Alveda King, as well). Can you believe that? Trying to tear down the MLK's family members simply because they don't agree with CNN's fantasy narrative that Trump hates people of color.

I saw that interview, but my objective take away very different than yours. Yes, Lemon defines racism differently than the MLK nephew. But one of the points that the MLK nephew made was that some might argue that what Trump did in his campaign was WORSE THAN BEING RACIST, BECAUSE HE INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATED RACISTS. I don't think you give Don Lemon enough credit.

The MLK nephew was basically trying to show understanding by defining or focusing on what is racism to some as ignorance instead. That being his strategy as someone involved in the push for social evolution and helping us move forward and get along - rather than name calling which is obviously counter productive.