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let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill
anon_cf6c6 sayslet's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill
The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.
This nation has a big problem with the people hearing voices in their head.
There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.
Any Asshole saying that “God told me” should be disqualified from holding public office
The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.
Another wrong talking point is the idea that arming everybody would stop crime, because there would be hero's all about stopping the few evil bad guys around. This would dramatically drive up the number of accidents, and make getting a gun super easy. All a criminal would have to do is break into a few cars, snatch a couple purses, etc. Best case scenario, this results in the wild west type atmosphere, which would be a disaster.
Finally, there is a strange need among gun defenders to state that people who kill themselves with a gun would just kill themselves with something else in the absence of a gun. This is not necessarily the case. The harder it is for someone to off themselves, the less likely they will be to do it on any given day, and the more likely they will be to decide not to do it.
But, it's A-OK to give that kid a gun!
One particularly senseless talking point of the gun nuts is that criminals don't obey the laws anyway, so gun laws will only disarm innocent people. The stupidity of this is that they are ignoring the fact that tough gun laws will put many of those criminals behind bars.
FortWayne saysThere is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.
The issue is how many times you can pull the trigger and how fast. How many mass shootings are there with bolt action rifles or revolvers where you have to stop after a few shots and put in bullets one at a time? You guys are just full of crap with this it's all the same garbage. The only use for high capacity fast reload mags is to shoot lots of bullets very fast. At people, not deer. Or to make up for some serious sexual inadequacy. Hey sweety come check out my mag.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.
Mass shootings, usually gun or a rifle. No one uses bolt action since Kennedy assassination. We can't go back in time Bob, this is what world is today. Cops use modern weapons, soldiers use modern weapons, and yes criminals have access to all of them too. Only regular law abiding folks will fall under any new regulation, which makes any new regulation useless.
You are gullible if you think any law will stop someone who set their mind on committing a murder.
Defending yourself with a handgun, take a lot of practice. People don't want to do that. It's simply much easier to defend yourself with a gun that can spray bullets indiscriminately everywhere.
ONG, please just STOP this B.S. Liberal narrative!!
There are over 20,000 - 30,000 EXISTING gun laws on the books. Killing people is a felony. Criminals break those thousands of laws daily, that' why they're called "criminals".
Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books, yet it's the BIGGEST killing field in the country... Explain that?
Because he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.
Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.
TwoScoopsPlissken saysBecause he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.
Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.
More reason to deny gun license to someone on anti-depressant medication.
high capacity fast reload mags is to shoot lots of bullets very fast. At people, not deer.
Strategist saysWhen was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.
Defending yourself with a handgun, take a lot of practice. People don't want to do that. It's simply much easier to defend yourself with a gun that can spray bullets indiscriminately everywhere.
If you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too
quick change clips.
Hey--I'm the one saying there are many problems and solving it will require many solutions. Let's look at everything.
bob2356 saysIf you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too
bob2356 saysquick change clips.
What sized "clips" do they use?
Criminals are doing mass shootings all around the country? Last time I checked most mass shooters bought perfectly legally. There is no reason whatsoever any civilian needs high capacity quick change clips. I hunted just fine for many years with a bolt action model 70 chambered for 30-06. If you are such a shit shot you need multiple high capacity clips then you shouldn't be hunting at all.
No one ever said that, nice straw man. What could be done is make sending back round information mandatory, updating and modernizing the database, and requiring a back round check for all gun sales. Criminals can only get guns if some where along the line some legitimate gun owner sold a gun to some one who could not pass a back round check. Either through a private sale or straw buyer.
You know who finds clips vs mags funny? Nobody.
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford an $11/hr security guard."
So, how exactly is that going to work at 2:50 when 3000 kids are all exiting the school through those doors? Make every kid line up and exit though the same exit in single file through a turnstile?
I'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.
I'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.
How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?
Kids in NYC take the subway in huge numbers at 2:30PM, but there's still exit turnstiles and has been not just for years, but at least 3 or 4 generations of the countless numbers of New York City Public School Kids (and employees, too).
anon_cf6c6 says
How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?
Not difficult at all. Also not very effective.
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High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.