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I've been reading The Federalist Papers in order to better understand the Constitution, and the 2nd amendment is indeed explicitly intended to defend against federal overreach. It's not about deer hunting in the least.

We have arms, but what we are missing is the masses of men who were assumed to be always in their local and state militias, where a militia is an organized group of ordinary citizens who maintain guns and readiness to defend themselves.

From Federalist Paper 46:

The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger. That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism. Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.

We have indeed elected an uninterrupted succession of men ready to betray both state and country for the sake of mega-corporation profits.

And most of America does indeed seem blind to the long train of insidious measures to deprive us of our Constitutional rights, such as mass censorship and mass injections of a dangerous and ineffective experimental drug.

The post above is great.

Factoid: In Japan it was common to employ an agency to investigate the background of a potential spouse.

“Sorry honey, there’s a problem with our getting married, but let’s continue to have regular rendezvous as usual.”

https://jewscanshoot.org/2019/02/11/largest-mass-shooting-us-history-happened-december-29-1890/

December 29, 2012, marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

Lol, another Jewish site like JPFO: https://jewscanshoot.org/

Well regulated. I keep comming back to this. If you're a normal person, no mental health issues, no history of violent crimes, then I really don't care what you arm yourself with. Or if you choose to conceal or carry openly.

But clearly we have a problem. People that don't fit the above have done tremendous damage. This applies to both the lone wolf and the gangbangers in the inner city. I don't want to penalize the many based on the actions of a few, but there must be something we can do.

More importantly why are these events happening with increasing frequency? Has it always been this way but we never noticed? Or is there something fundamentally different today compared with ten, twenty or fifty years ago?

I don't have any good awnsers. Just asking the questions.

Militias were well regulated. They have structure, rules, discipline.

GreaterNYCDude says

Well regulated. I keep comming back to this

Wake me up when our government is well regulated. When they start following and enforcing the Constitution then you can make that point again.

richwicks says

GreaterNYCDude says

Well regulated. I keep comming back to this

Wake me up when our government is well regulated. When they start following and enforcing the Constitution then you can make that point again.

You have clearly stated how you feel about the government. But in a practical sense how do we balance safety with freedom? I drive through Newtown, CT on a regular basis. That one hit home, as I had young kids at the time. This one brings all those emotions back. Clearly gun laws alone are not a panacea. CT gun laws are far more restrictive than TX. Mabey background checks are a partial solution. Most americam support the idea, at least that's what the MSM tells us. /sarcasam/

I don't have any novel solutions. Wish I did but I don't.

GreaterNYCDude says

Well regulated. I keep comming back to this. If you're a normal person, no mental health issues, no history of violent crimes, then I really don't care what you arm yourself with. Or if you choose to conceal or carry openly.

But clearly we have a problem. People that don't fit the above have done tremendous damage. This applies to both the lone wolf and the gangbangers in the inner city. I don't want to penalize the many based on the actions of a few, but there must be something we can do.

More importantly why are these events happening with increasing frequency? Has it always been this way but we never noticed? Or is there something fundamentally different today compared with ten, twenty or fifty years ago?

I don't have any good awnsers. Just asking the questions.

Militias were well regulated. They have structure, rules, discipline.

Crime statistics you can look up online. Mass shootings aren't more frequent, they are just more focused via media, usually they do this in election year to get people to vote for their side. They always selling elections on election year. If they focus on global warming again, everyone who reads that shit will suddenly think planet is on fire because media can make people believe anything.

I think only thing we can do is promote family values, all the shooters came from really fucked up families. We have to address people, not the weapon of choice. Darrel Brooks ran over and killed many kids in Wisconsin with a car (liberals blamed the car btw).

Eric Holder says

On the second thought it's not really that powerful: about 1/3 energy of .32 ACP which is weak sauce in itself. So the donkey will probably leave it alone for now.

To be clear, that's a 30 caliber air gun. Not shooting 30 caliber ammunition, which is far more power than .32 ACP
From wikipedia...
32 ACP: 60 grain, 1100 ft/s --> 161 foot-pound of energy
"30 cal" can mean a bunch of things. The Springfield .30-06 (WW1, WW2, Korean war): 150 grain, 2910 ft/s --> 2820 foot-pound

From reviews of 30 cal air rifles online:
45 grain, 800 ft/s --> 64 foot-pound of energy

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

promote family values, all the shooters came from really fucked up families. We have to address people, not the weapon of choice

Agree with you on this one.

SunnyvaleCA says

Eric Holder says

On the second thought it's not really that powerful: about 1/3 energy of .32 ACP which is weak sauce in itself. So the donkey will probably leave it alone for now.

To be clear, that's a 30 caliber air gun. Not shooting 30 caliber ammunition, which is far more power than .32 ACP
From wikipedia...
32 ACP: 60 grain, 1100 ft/s --> 161 foot-pound of energy
"30 cal" can mean a bunch of things. The Springfield .30-06 (WW1, WW2, Korean war): 150 grain, 2910 ft/s --> 2820 foot-pound

From reviews of 30 cal air rifles online:
45 grain, 800 ft/s --> 64 foot-pound of energy

Yes, it was all clear from the beginning: the air gun part, the caliber (i.e. the diameter of the barrel) and the energy, which is indeed lower than weakest of the weak mouse gun cartridge known as .32 ACP (which has roughly the same barrel diameter as .30 cal).

Patrick says

https://jewscanshoot.org/2019/02/11/largest-mass-shooting-us-history-happened-december-29-1890/

December 29, 2012, marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.




...

It still amazes me to this day that our government shows ZERO guilt about the American Indian but falls all over themselves for every other race and victimization.

GreaterNYCDude says

Or is there something fundamentally different today compared with ten, twenty or fifty years ago?

Yes, there is something fundamentally different. Not just one thing but many things. Most of all TPTB have pushed this society onto the brink of social destruction. We talk about these things endlessly on Pat.net. For me, I do not believe you can have a healthy society that is forced to accept every difference in things from religion to open borders. Diversity is not a strength. I am not a racist, I am a race realist. Human nature will NEVER change. Some things are so abhorrent to others that they simply cannot mentally deal with it. Society is in pain. In pain from our tormentors.

richwicks says

GreaterNYCDude says

Well regulated. I keep comming back to this

Wake me up when our government is well regulated. When they start following and enforcing the Constitution then you can make that point again.

Stop saying so many logical things.

GreaterNYCDude says

richwicks says

GreaterNYCDude says

Well regulated. I keep comming back to this

Wake me up when our government is well regulated. When they start following and enforcing the Constitution then you can make that point again.

You have clearly stated how you feel about the government. But in a practical sense how do we balance safety with freedom?

The government colluded or allowed 9/11 to happen. The government locked us down for 2 years over the sniffles to destroy small business and literally handed out over 4 trillion dollars to large business with no oversight. Our government has lied us into bombing Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia.

The government is the danger.

You just saw a school get shot up by some nutcase that MIGHT have been groomed by the FIB, as police wandered around for 90 minutes and did nothing. You saw the FIB setup a kidnapping plot for Gretchen Whitmer to frame innocents. 800 people are in jail right now with no trial date, and no bail for a fake insurrection in which we saw people like Ray Epps incite violence, but wasn't arrested, with the capitol police inviting demonstrators in.

You want safety? Recognize that the government is the criminal syndicate.

GreaterNYCDude says

I drive through Newtown, CT on a regular basis. That one hit home, as I had young kids at the time. This one brings all those emotions back. Clearly gun laws alone are not a panacea.

Just be glad that the FIB didn't decide to use your local school to murder your children to convince you that you need to abandon ALL of our freedom for your safety, which the government will never give you, ever.

The government doesn't protect you. It's a predator.

GreaterNYCDude says

Maybe background checks are a partial solution. Most americam support the idea, at least that's what the MSM tells us. /sarcasam/

The MSM told us that Iraq had a weapons of mass destruction program and that the Patriot Act which spies on the entire population was being done to protect us. They are going to murder Julian Assange, very slowly to be certain, to show what happens to real journalists - they had to set him up twice. Edward Snowden is in exile, Bradley/Chelsea Manning is being persecuted.

GreaterNYCDude says

I don't have any novel solutions. Wish I did but I don't.

Pretending the government is there to help the public doesn't seem to be working, does it? Think of the government as a mafia, and it all makes sense - because that's what the government is - a mafia. It's a criminal syndicate. They'll provide MINIMAL "protection" but they aren't in the business of real protection, they are in the business of extortion.

You have eyes, but you refuse to see.

You think my opinion of the government is wrong? It's not an opinion, but it's an unpleasant logical conclusion. I don't hate government, I just hate my government, because they are quite obviously criminals. I'm very frustrated that the average person doesn't recognize that. The mafia would want you to disarm, and it's a mafia - they'll do anything to get you to do it. Maybe happy circumstances happen and they don't let a good crisis to go to waste, but if there is no crisis, they'll create one. False flags are used all the time, you've seen them in other governments, they are used by our government as well.

Whether this last terrible mass murder was real, or egged on, or staged? I have no idea. It doesn't matter. I believe children were killed, but I don't believe our government isn't overjoyed over it. Did they help this happen? Maybe. I don't honestly know, but it doesn't matter. Our government does not care about our safety or your children's safety or anybody's safety other than their own.

GreaterNYCDude says

Well regulated. I keep comming back to this.

Good, but is important to understand the meaning of the words.

http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

“The meaning of the phrase "well- regulated" in the 2nd amendment
From: Brian T. Halonen <halonen@csd.uwm.edu >
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the
writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a
well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the
Mayor." (other docs say “Major”)
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. *Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.*“

WineHorror1 says

It still amazes me to this day that our government shows ZERO guilt about the American Indian but falls all over themselves for every other race and victimization.

They don't care about other groups at all. They are simply pandering to make it appear there is a real voting block actually voting the mother fuckers in.

We have to BELIEVE blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc are voting in these criminals. If that brings civil unrest - they don't care.

Our government doesn't care they murdered between 100,000 to 2.3 million Iraqis over a lie. They don't care they brought slavery back to Libya and left it in civil war. They don't care about Syrians at all, or 90% of "collateral damage" civilians who was murdered in the Afghan war, they don't care about starving Somali children, they don't care about the Ukrainians in this stupid war. They don't care about Trayvon Martin, the 50 or so people killed in Waukesha by Daryl Brookes, they don't care about George Floyd. They don't care about me, you, or anybody but themselves.

Think of a video game - do you care when you kill a character? Of course not. We are all characters to them. These are sociopaths. I think even good people move toward this because it's so damned frustrating when you realize people don't recognize what a bunch of criminals are in government. You TRY to help, but the people just believe the most simple, stupid nonsense.

Imagine trying to save a group of people from an invader, when all the people you're trying to help call you crazy, racist, insane, etc - after a point you're like "fuck 'em - they aren't worth saving". I can understand the cynicism and contempt of upper society. Biden is a blatant criminal, and people just accept it. Bush was a blatant criminal, that killed at LEAST 100,000 people over a lie. Dick Cheney made certain Halliburton made a fortune over that bullshit war. William Clinton bombed the al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant JUST to distract from Monica Lewinski entering her dress into evidence - that led to 10's of thousands of deaths - the bombing was done on the same day as the evidence was entered and Lewinksi's evidence was largely ignored. People don't care - so... are they people? I can see the dark side. I was a vegetarian for 25 years, but these people, they don't have compassion, they have contempt and honestly having been a vegetarian for 1/2 my life, I realize the truth is it just doesn't make any difference. It doesn't matter.

One could argue that American Indian genocide was government policy.

WineHorror1 says

One could argue that American Indian genocide was government policy.

Argue? Is there any debate about it?

DooDahMan says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Mass shootings aren't more frequent,

The US has had 214 mass shootings so far in 2022 Here's the full list.

https://www.insider.com/number-of-mass-shootingsin-america-this-year-2022-5

Good thing these events aren't more frequent huh ?

Maybe we can reach 365 - one a day !

146 days into this year. That means 214/146 = 1.46 mass shootings per day. If the statistics are true, and I doubt it, we will reach over 365 easily.

However, I rather doubt the claims. Our media isn't this silent about mass shootings and the link above, despite your claims, doesn't list them all. It just makes the same claim you did.

GreaterNYCDude says

Well regulated.

Well-regulated in reference to Militia means "Drilled".

From von Stueben's Manual of 1779, approved for distribution to militia units by John Jay, President of the Continental Congress

THE MANUAL EXERCISE

I. Poise- Firelock! Two motions.

1st With your left hand turn the firelock briskly, bringing the lock to the front, at the same instant seize it with the right hand just below the lock, keeping the piece perpendicular.

2d. With a quick motion bring up the firelock from the shoulder directly before the face, and seize it with the left hand just above the lock, so that the little finger may rest upon the feather spring, and the thumb lie on the stock; the left hand must be of an equal height with the eyes.


II. Cock- Firelock! Two motions

1st Turn the barrel opposite to your face, and place your thumb upon the cock, raising the elbow square at this motion.

2d. Cock the firelock by drawing down your elbow, immediately placing your thumb upon the breech-pin, and the fingers under the guard.


III. Take Aim! One motion

Step back about six inches with the right foot, bring the left toe to the front; at the same time drop the muzzle, and bring up the butt end of the firelock against your right shoulder; place the left hand forward on the swell of the stock, and the fore-finger of the right hand before the trigger; sinking the muzzle a little below a level, and with the right eye looking along the barrel.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Revolutionary_War_Drill_Manual

DooDahMan says

Good thing these events aren't more frequent huh ?

from article

There have been slightly fewer mass shootings so far in 2022 than 2021

most shootings are gang on gang violence. that hasn’t changed.

^^^^^^^
This

New data point about Uvalde shooting: the perp was 18 so xe should not have been able to buy a semi-auto in TX. He was also making violent threats for months before shooting. Somehow press has not really picked up on this. I would not past our gubbermint supplying him with weapons at a politically convenient time.

Bd6r says

New data point about Uvalde shooting: the perp was 18 so xe should not have been able to buy a semi-auto in TX. He was also making violent threats for months before shooting. Somehow press has not really picked up on this. I would not past our gubbermint supplying him with weapons at a politically convenient time.

Huh? 18 is the legal age to buy a long arm in the US. Even in CA.