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2nd Amendment Discussion

By CajunSteve follow CajunSteve   2018 Feb 17, 11:51am 63,058 views   425 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.

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386   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 10, 8:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
bumpstock, and 200 round magazine drums


Most useless shit in the world. Why would you want it?
387   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 11, 8:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

In Virginia, we had two mass shooting in the last few years, 32 killed at VA Tech and 12 killed at a Virginia Beach city building. Both were done with pistols by minority males.

Overwhelmingly, gun deaths in VA are from pistols and shot guns, with 2/3 of those deaths being suicides. Also, the vast majority of gun homicides is black-on-black using handguns. Homicides by rifles of all types is only 4%.

So what does the newly majority Dems in Va do? Push a ban on "assault weapons." Gov Blackface even came out and said he did not want gun control legislation to deal too harshly with hand gun violence, as that would have a "disparate impact on people of color."
391   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 22, 6:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Nice tits on all the women.

But he should really aim that gun. As should the commie.
392   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 22, 8:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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CajunSteve says
What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??


This goes beyond protecting your life, your family, and property against an Antifa style mob.

Use the Roof Koreans in the Los Angeles Riots of 1992 as an example of the 2nd Amendment.

The LA Police pulled out of Koreantown to reinforce their protection of the white liberal neighborhoods of Bel Air, Beverly Hills, etc.

Koreantown was left on its own.

Without being armed, how do you all think Koreantown would have fared ?
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394   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Jul 5, 11:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

My friend's 15 year old eagle scout son wrote a text that a classmate (female) didn't like.

The classmate's mother called the cops, and they came and took my friend's guns. It's a process to get them back.

She recently asked me to lend her a gun because she doesn't like not having one.

I'm going to get some more ammo soon; I miss Walmart in Florida; grab a box of 9mm for $9 and go blast it.
395   RC2006   ignore (2)   2020 Jul 6, 7:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      




Don't attack a guy with a CC.
396   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Jul 6, 10:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

That video is hectic!
397   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2020 Jul 6, 10:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

clambo says
That video is hectic!


It has everything needed for the shooter to be completely exonerated by jury of his peers: multipla attackers with blunt weapons, verbal threaths of death, etc.
398   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2020 Jul 6, 10:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The was a vision of beauty!
399   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Jul 6, 12:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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CajunSteve says
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


If there was a requirement to serve in the "militia", then why state that someone has a right to keep and bear arms. Would it not be a requirement to keep arms ? And why would they have to put in a section on not being infringed since having a militia means automatically the responsibility of being able to keep and bear arms to serve in the militia.

Let alone the 2nd Amendment is presented as being in the "individual" rights section of the Constitution, not the "militia" or "collective responsibility" (ie.., pay your taxes, etc) section.

Not sure if today's "militia" that wears a uniform with the tag "US Army" or "US Air Force" (ie., national guards) is considered a "militia" in the same context as national guard members do not have to maintain their weapons at home.

The US Navy is identified in the Constitution. There is no mention in there about their members (i.e., Marines) having a right to keep and bear arms like a musket or pistol. Why not ?
400   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 Jul 6, 12:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

RC2006 says



Don't attack a guy with a CC.


ERECTION INTENSIFYING!!!
401   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Jul 6, 12:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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Exactly Booger, just like the Roof Koreans exercised their 2nd Amendment right organizing a militia (i.e., 1 or more persons to protect life, liberty and property). Why ?

Because the police failed them.

The LA police decided to only reinforce and protect the white liberal neighborhoods like Bel Air and Beverly Hills, where all Marcus, Cajun Steve, and Jazz Music's ideological friends safely reside.

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402   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Jul 6, 12:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ad, owing a working firearm was required by law in some places before the constitution was written.
In Connecticut for example, you could be fined for not having one in working order.
Having a gun was considered important for public safety, not for purposes of revolution.
403   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Jul 6, 1:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

clambo says
Having a gun was considered important for public safety, not for purposes of revolution.


Yes, I think Switzerland had or had similar gun laws. It may have been a factor as far as World War Two.

But that applies today as far as public safety for the individual. It takes at least 5 minutes for the police to show up. What do you do then if you need to protect your home awaiting for the police ?
404   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Jul 6, 1:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Personally I’m not waiting for the police to arrive so I’m going to use a gun.

I can be killed or injured severely before the cops arrive.
405   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Jul 6, 2:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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clambo says
Personally I’m not waiting for the police to arrive so I’m going to use a gun.

I can be killed or injured severely before the cops arrive.


Yep. Also, set up motion sensor alarms like those sold by Doberman on Amazon, if you don't have a home security system with ADT, Cove, SimpliSafe, etc. Set your IPhone to allow you to reach 911 by just pressing the power button 5 times. Get pepper spray as well, the ones that shoot 20 feet and can be shot at least 7 times.

That is in addition to exercising your individual right to protect yourself under the 2nd Amendment.

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406   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Jul 6, 9:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

For what it's worth, pepper spray really works. I saw it in action in Florida once.

I was asked by a female for a ride. She told me where and I drove down there somewhere in West Palm Beach I think.

She was having an argument with the "boyfriend" or whatever and the cops were going to arrest her but let her go and get her shit out of his place.

The cops left and she went back to his place, grabbed his car license plate and started walking to my car. "Give that back! Don't steal that plate!"

She threw it back and got in my car. Then the angry young male started video recording me and my car then moved to the passenger side.

He tried to open her door; she calmly lowered the window and gave him a blast in the face with her pepper spray.

He want down like a bowling pin; I was amazed at the effect it had on a young aggressive male. He went on his back like he was hit in the face with a cricket bat.

Later the cops talked to her but because the guy was trying to open my car door I guess he was a reasonable target for the pepper spray.

A cop who ran our concealed carry class recommended pepper spray too; he said you can't be sued for spraying someone because the effect is usually temporary.
411   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2020 Aug 26, 11:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

zzyzzx says



Donkeys might want to ban it in CA.
412   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2020 Aug 26, 11:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
Donkeys might want to ban it in CA.


That's why you need to get one before it's regulated.
413   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2020 Aug 26, 11:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

zzyzzx says
Eric Holder says
Donkeys might want to ban it in CA.


That's why you need to get one before it's regulated.

That's why you need to move to a different state
414   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2020 Aug 26, 1:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
zzyzzx says



Donkeys might want to ban it in CA.


On the second thought it's not really that powerful: about 1/3 energy of .32 ACP which is weak sauce in itself. So the donkey will probably leave it alone for now.
418   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Nov 27, 9:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says


Those look like cast iron wastewater pipes. Do you plan to blast sewage on the attackers? If those were real cannons, imagine the kickback they would produce. One shot, and the cannon would blast itself back through the house and into the back yard. But if you do use them, use grape shot.
419   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2020 Nov 27, 2:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
If those were real cannons, imagine the kickback they would produce. One shot, and the cannon would blast itself back through the house and into the back yard.


Not if recoil ramps are built behind them.
422   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 9, 8:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Second Amendment is not just for republicans. It's for liberals, too.
423   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 9, 11:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

B.A.C.A.H. says
The Second Amendment is not just for republicans. It's for liberals, too.



???? Conservatives are not trying to take guns away from liberals.
424   election2020   ignore (1)   2021 Jan 9, 11:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It is just a power grab by government.
Legal guns in hands of people have made America super power and beacon of freedom.

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