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2nd Amendment Discussion

By CajunSteve follow CajunSteve   2018 Feb 17, 11:51am 85,194 views   593 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.

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554   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Aug 8, 9:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Because the communists have dossiers on everyone.


they are making lists of people. just like nazis had lists.
555   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 8, 12:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Onvacation says
Because the communists have dossiers on everyone.


they are making lists of people. just like nazis had lists.


They should remember that all Americans can make lists too - lists of the people who imposed this shit on us or who murdered their relatives. Fauci is public enemy #1, closely followed by Peter Daszak.
556   FuckCCP89   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 16, 8:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

KABUL, Aug 16 (Reuters) - Taliban fighters in the Afghan capital, Kabul, started collecting weapons from civilians on Monday because people no longer need them for personal protection, a Taliban official said.

"We understand people kept weapons for personal safety. They can now feel safe. We are not here to harm innocent civilians," the official told Reuters.

City resident Saad Mohseni, director of the MOBY group media company, said on Twitter that Taliban soldiers had come to his company compound to enquire about the weapons kept by his security team.


https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-afghan-capital-kabul-start-collecting-weapons-civilians-2021-08-16/
559   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 27, 5:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/taliban-demand-afghans-hand-over-guns-ammo-within-a-week_3968711.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net


Taliban Demand Afghans Hand Over Guns, Ammo Within a Week
BY JACK PHILLIPS August 27, 2021

A spokesman for the Taliban said that Afghans who have government-issued weapons, ammunition, or vehicles need to hand them over or face punishment.
561   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 3, 5:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://youtu.be/pHLGeV73B5w

The three little pigs learn about the difference between political action and direct action.
564   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 17, 9:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/david-frum-wrong-guns-save-lives/

Guns can be scary. I get it. They are loud, and, with even a little power, capable of much destruction. They are not unlike elected officials in these ways.


More importantly, they can cause destruction like unelected officials, especially corrupt "health officials" like Fauci.
565   rocketjoe79   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 17, 9:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What will we do when batteries make handheld lasers possible?
566   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 17, 9:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rocketjoe79 says
What will we do when batteries make handheld lasers possible?


I doubt it's possible. The amount of energy you need to kill somebody using just energy is enormous. It CAN be done, but I doubt with a battery. What would probably work is a tight beam of microwave energy. The problem with this is you can shield relatively easily. I think weapons will always be projectile in nature. No phasers for you!
567   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 17, 12:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
rocketjoe79 says
What will we do when batteries make handheld lasers possible?


I doubt it's possible. The amount of energy you need to kill somebody using just energy is enormous. It CAN be done, but I doubt with a battery. What would probably work is a tight beam of microwave energy. The problem with this is you can shield relatively easily. I think weapons will always be projectile in nature. No phasers for you!

True, but one can build a laser that will blind everyone on a room. Such a device can be built by cobbling together lasers from several CD/DVD players.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/sciencetech/video-1303468/Man-builds-laser-gun-33-MILLION-times-brighter-Sun.html
570   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 22, 3:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I found this article today.
Gives an accurate idea of how many and how freakishly OFTEN guns are used in DEFENSE of life or property by citizens. It’s waaaaaay more often than you’d ever suspect!

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/09/22/there_are_far_more_defensive_gun_uses_than_murders_in_america_heres_why_you_rarely_hear_of_them_794461.html
571   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 22, 8:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says

Best Memer on the internet.
572   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 22, 8:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
Booger says

Best Memer on the internet.


I don't understand it, who can help out
573   Karloff   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 22, 10:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
I don't understand it, who can help out

Eh, he's sucking on the "meat straw".
575   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 22, 10:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is exactly why I bought a gun.
576   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 5, 12:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Second Amendment reads:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.


In The Wealth of Nations Adam Smith points out the distinction between a militia and a standing army.

A militia, according to him, is the common citizens who own their own arms and regularly train for defense.

A standing army is an organization of paid and quartered soldiers.

He says that a standing army will generally defeat any militia because they are better trained and more experienced, unless the militia itself gains experience due to a war. He also points out that the militia of the "colonies" might well defeat the British army if they gain enough experience in warfare.
577   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Oct 5, 12:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Karloff says


I, for one, do not believe these are real people. Don Lemon, said something similar. I just can't take these people seriously and honestly, I don't think they are actually serious.

I have a very difficult time believing that people can't see these vaccines are largely (if not entirely) worthless, or they know so little of biology that they believe the vaccinated are at risk from the unvaccinated.

If vaccinated people are at worse risk from the unvaccinated, guess what? The vaccine isn't only worthless, it's detrimental.
579   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 5, 9:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
He says that a standing army will generally defeat any militia because they are better trained and more experienced, unless the militia itself gains experience due to a war. He also points out that the militia of the "colonies" might well defeat the British army if they gain enough experience in warfare.


In his times, every soldier was pretty much a soldier: Trained as infantry, cavalry, or artillery back when artillery was cannons firing on the battlefield itself. 90% of enlisted men had one of these roles.

In our times, 90%+ of soldiers drive trucks, stamp paper, operate radios, perform vehicle maintenance, etc.

Stomp the tail. And when the teeth have to be deployed to defend the tail, there is far less teeth to do the actual "search and destroy" - and usually not enough to guard the tail effectively, either.
580   BayArea   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 5, 9:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You’re not taking the guns Joe
581   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 6, 1:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Stomp the tail. And when the teeth have to be deployed to defend the tail, there is far less teeth to do the actual "search and destroy" - and usually not enough to guard the tail effectively, either.


Besides that, I don’t think colonel gender studies is going to be an effective field commander when zirs supply of mocha lattes are in jeopardy due to supply line disruption.
582   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 6, 7:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Red Line is any new Federal Gun Laws. And that is an absolute Red Line.

Any disagreements?
583   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 6, 11:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
The Red Line is any new Federal Gun Laws.


The fucks are having trouble even with raising the debt ceiling. New Fed gun laws? LOL.
584   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Oct 6, 4:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
I, for one, do not believe these are real people. Don Lemon, said something similar. I just can't take these people seriously and honestly, I don't think they are actually serious.

I didn't think the people that said we had to lockdown for a cold were serious.

I am afraid there are many people out there that believe, "this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated" and think people that refuse to take a jab of this experimental biologic agent are threatening their safety.
585   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Oct 6, 4:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's not logical, it's emotional.
586   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 6, 4:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Eric Holder says
The fucks are having trouble even with raising the debt ceiling. New Fed gun laws? LOL.


Don't be so sure.

Watch the Green New Deal/Infrastructure Deal pass. The Republicans will claim they got it down to $3 Trillion, after holding all the cards on the debt ceiling.
589   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 14, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says
Ban bows and arrows!


Don't give them ideas!
590   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 19, 5:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Name landmarks "Kardashian's Ass" or "Wet Pussy" or "Piss Coffee" or "Rocky Pisser" or "Rubber Shredder", share the names.

Don't be "Tacticool" by using names like "Hill 152" or "Lake Freemont" or "The 168". That's the US Military being PC, or the real names that can be matched to a map.

When you communicate, use the bullshit landmark names, not the official names.
592   FuckCCP89   ignore (6)   2021 Oct 19, 7:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HunterTits says


Concealed means concealed.

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