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2nd Amendment Discussion

By CajunSteve follow CajunSteve   2018 Feb 17, 11:51am 69,888 views   468 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.

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431   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Mar 11, 10:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
election2020 says
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/28/sikh-in-california-uses-religion-to-challenge-fire/
Sikh in California uses religion to challenge firearms ban


wow, hopefully he wins.


Doubtful. The dagger is one thing, but to extend that to firearms is a metaphorical argument that probably won't pass muster.
432   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2021 Mar 11, 10:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HunterTits says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
election2020 says
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/28/sikh-in-california-uses-religion-to-challenge-fire/
Sikh in California uses religion to challenge firearms ban


wow, hopefully he wins.


Doubtful. The dagger is one thing, but to extend that to firearms is a metaphorical argument that probably won't pass muster.


The article is from 2013. He hasn't won yet, it seems.
433   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Mar 11, 10:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I like my guns and I want more guns and more ammo. What cuts into the fun a bit is the juggernaut on my AR's to be CA compliant and 10 round mags.
Getting 9mm ammo is getting harder and harder as well. Being a gun lover isnt that easy these days.
434   farmer2021   ignore (9)   2021 Mar 11, 11:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckCCP89 says
HunterTits says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
election2020 says
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/28/sikh-in-california-uses-religion-to-challenge-fire/
Sikh in California uses religion to challenge firearms ban


wow, hopefully he wins.


Doubtful. The dagger is one thing, but to extend that to firearms is a metaphorical argument that probably won't pass muster.


The article is from 2013. He hasn't won yet, it seems.


Will try to find, But it seems he has bigger fish to fry.
https://www.thejuggernaut.com/kundalini-yoga?s=ckd574jfm01ih0718mf5ozyqa&fbclid=IwAR3FsIQdf8628y548q5ZZ_5Cww8V0SDHpYPA9znyLoOWh8eG3l7DGWKVXMA
435   Karloff   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 11, 2:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It appears their next step is to prevent gun purchases by delaying background checks "indefinitely", with Feinstein then looking to ban "assault" weapons altogether. Their future plan is obvious, and now with stolen majorities, they'll fast-track it, Constitutionality and other legalities be damned.

Those citizens who do not understand the 2nd Amendment will do so in time. Unfortunately, it will be too late by then.
436   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 11, 11:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

zzyzzx says


Wow, it was easy to prove this story indeed was "planted" all over by just doing a search on DDG for "mass shootings surge":

437   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 11, 11:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

They have to get that one guy wearing coke bottle glasses in the basement at Langley doing all the Mockingbird press releases for the MSM a little more help.
438   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 12, 9:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

RAPPER ICE-T GETS IT: GUNS PREVENT TYRANNY
439   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 15, 11:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Anti-2A folks and many Pro-2A folks don't understand the reason behind it. You have to read the supporting documents from the time when it was drafted to begin to understand. Here is something below to get you started:

Both James Madison and the Anti-Federalists Were Right About Standing Armies
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lawrencehunter/2012/07/29/both-james-madison-and-the-anti-federalists-were-right-about-standing-armies/?sh=5f03c84775a0

Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.
― James Madison

~
The Anti-Federalists on Standing Armies
By Laurence M. Vance
May 21, 2007
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2007/05/laurence-m-vance/standing-armies/

~

The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people”
~
As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
— Tench Coxe (1755–1824), writing as "A Pennsylvanian," in "Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution," in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, p. 2 col. 1
440   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2021 Mar 15, 12:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ForcedTQ says
Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.
― James Madison


2/3 there.
442   farmer2021   ignore (9)   2021 Mar 20, 11:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Small scale toy Factories. 2nd amendment on steroids.(I think some checks and balances needed)
Not sure if the tradition started during Sikh Empire as Sikh religion wants 2nd amendment on steroids but crushed by Hindoo/British.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darra_Adam_Khel

443   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 20, 11:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think he needs a better workshop! Who the hell would build a workshop with a vise on the floor so that you have to kneel to work?
444   farmer2021   ignore (9)   2021 Mar 20, 11:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
I think he needs a better workshop! Who the hell would build a workshop with a vise on the floor so that you have to kneel to work?



Ha Ha!
You know if tribal people start thinking like city people, Soon a corporation will come in and scoop all the business.
Logically there is no need to build it at small scale.
446   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 23, 2:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BIDEN / OBAMA ADMINISTRATION CALLS FOR A BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES
447   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 23, 2:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"We can save lives by increasing background checks and eliminating assault weapons".
448   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Mar 23, 2:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
"We can save lives by increasing background checks and eliminating assault weapons".

Yes, let's go after the weapons that are rarely used. No penalties however, for those who have acquired and used handguns illegally as that would attack the source of the vast majority of gun crime, but would have a "disparate impact on crooks of color."
449   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Mar 23, 3:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
Boys and their toys.



https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/20/us/nerf-gun-drug-bust/index.html


I always thought it was stupid to have an orange tipped gun to indicate it's a "toy". Like how hard is it for a criminal to paint the tip orange?

I'm annoyed by these stupid measures that are taken but I rarely voice them, because I don't know how dumb the rest of the population is. I'll voice ONE now, not that I would ever do what I'm about to describe, and I'm only voicing it here because I don't believe there's any terrorists on this site.

You realize how easy it would to create a what the US federal government calls a "terrorist incident"? Drive down a residential street with a bunch of molotov cocktails, setting homes on fire at 3:00 am. You'd overwhelm the fire department in less than 20 minutes, and burn down 50 blocks and kill hundreds if not thousands. This is why I don't believe much in "terrorists" - if you just want to kill people, it's tremendously easy to do, provided you don't mind dying to do it.

You could get a pilots license, rent a Cesna, and do the same thing. You're doomed once you land, most likely.

If a group of people want to kill a bunch of people, it's TREMENDOUSLY easy to do. Gun? That's just ignorant.

I'm fully confident I'm not the smartest person, and I'm entirely confident that there is some sociopathic asshole terrorist that is far more intelligent and creative than I am. The government intimidates people convincing them that "terrorists" are after them - they aren't, they are trying to gain notoriety, they aren't trying to actually kill people, that's just the non-combatant victims. "Terrorists" often seem to MINIMIZE non-combatant victims, but make it a notable atrocity to attract attention to whatever their cause is.

Any fool with about $100,000 could burn down an entire city suburb if they wanted to do it. That's the REAL world we live in.
453   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Mar 24, 8:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CajunSteve says
With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens ...


Let's just be frank and honest.

The purpose of the second amendment is to kill a bunch of fucking politicians when they get to be too much of a group of assholes.

Stop pussy footing around it. The "well regulated militia" is US. That's the fucking purpose of the 2nd amendment, to murder tyrants. That's it.
454   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Mar 24, 9:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

zzyzzx says


Here's an idea - stop bombing Syria!

Too fucking radical? To CRAZY an idea? Maybe the US can stop making refugees by blowing up their homes. I know this seems like a RADICAL idea, but I suggest our fucking murderous asshole "leaders" try it.

I know it's SUPER DANGEROUS to stop killing people in 3rd world nations, but maybe we can try this??
455   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 24, 9:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
That's the fucking purpose of the 2nd amendment, to murder tyrants.

Killing tyrants isn't murder, it's justice.
456   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 24, 9:29am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Let's just be frank and honest.

The purpose of the second amendment is to kill a bunch of fucking politicians when they get to be too much of a group of assholes.

Stop pussy footing around it. The "well regulated militia" is US. That's the fucking purpose of the 2nd amendment, to murder tyrants. That's it.



This is true. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to get it back when our government has become irredeemably corrupt, as they are now.

They have stripped us of the meaning of our vote by filling the ballot boxes with fraudulent mail-in ballots

Now they are trying to strip us of our right to speak and right to bear arms against them.

As Scott Adams correctly points out, this won't be a conventional war.

458   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 24, 10:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
BIDEN / OBAMA ADMINISTRATION CALLS FOR A BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES

I am buying a few extra guns!!!! They are the best gun salespersons possible.
459   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 24, 10:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Here's an idea - stop bombing Syria!

can't do that, Rayethon stock will drop and former generals will not be able to "con-sult" for millions.
460   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 24, 10:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
This is why I don't believe much in "terrorists" - if you just want to kill people, it's tremendously easy to do, provided you don't mind dying to do it.

you kinda forget that Quran-thumping imbeciles are not that intelligent.
461   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 24, 6:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25060273/

Consanguinity and dysmorphology in Arabs

Consanguineous marriage is favored and respected in most if not all Arab communities, and intrafamilial unions currently account for 20-50% of all marriages. First-cousin unions are especially popular and constitute almost one quarter of all marriages in many Arab countries. Consequently, autosomal recessive (AR) dysmorphic syndromes constitute a considerable proportion of all birth defects among Arabs.


Inbreeding usually suppresses intelligence as well.
464   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 8, 10:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I bought more and can pick them up in 10 days (CA laws...). Getting ammo is the big problem.
467   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 12, 6:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says
I bought more and can pick them up in 10 days (CA laws...). Getting ammo is the big problem.


Just picked up a glock 17. 50 rounds of 9mm are $38......500 rounds of 22 are $180.
9mm reloads are $60 for a 100.....curious to hear how prizes are in NV, AZ etc.? Last month in AZ, Ammo wasnt much cheaper......

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