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HeadSet
2018 Feb 17, 5:32pm
HeadSet
2018 Feb 17, 5:32pm
As far as what the framer's meant with the Second Amendment, I would seek whether or not a private citizen was allowed to own a cannon in 1820. That would have been within the lifespan of the framers of the Constitution. If in fact a common folk could own a cannon or any other weapon circa 1820, then I would say "shall not be infringed" meant anyone could own any weapon.
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RWSGFY
2018 Feb 17, 5:48pm
RWSGFY
2018 Feb 17, 5:48pm
HeadSet says
Cannons were in legal private ownership in 1775 when the Revolutionary war broke out.
As far as what the framer's meant with the Second Amendment, I would seek whether or not a private citizen was allowed to own a cannon in 1820. That would have been within the lifespan of the framers of the Constitution. If in fact a common folk could own a cannon or any other weapon circa 1820, then I would say "shall not be infringed" meant anyone could own any weapon.
Cannons were in legal private ownership in 1775 when the Revolutionary war broke out.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 17, 5:49pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 17, 5:49pm
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Nobody in their right mind would ever send a barque into the Java Sea without a half dozen 36-pounder carronades at the least. Well into the 19th Century.
Or the Bugis-Men (Indonesian Pirates in Demon Masks, source of "Boogeyman" to scare a sailor's child to behaving well) would attack the ship.
Put a few 9-pounder Long Guns on a Merchant vessel and have it cruise up and down the horn. Nothing like a sub-sonic iron ball to learn a Somali Pirate. Or better yet, grape to the wheelhouse.
For your enjoyment, cars versus Civil War Cannon
www.youtube.com/embed/ytOWmfupUt8
Cannons were in legal private ownership in 1775 when the Revolutionary war broke out.
Nobody in their right mind would ever send a barque into the Java Sea without a half dozen 36-pounder carronades at the least. Well into the 19th Century.
Or the Bugis-Men (Indonesian Pirates in Demon Masks, source of "Boogeyman" to scare a sailor's child to behaving well) would attack the ship.
Put a few 9-pounder Long Guns on a Merchant vessel and have it cruise up and down the horn. Nothing like a sub-sonic iron ball to learn a Somali Pirate. Or better yet, grape to the wheelhouse.
For your enjoyment, cars versus Civil War Cannon
www.youtube.com/embed/ytOWmfupUt8
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LeonDurham
2018 Feb 17, 5:51pm
Sniper says
I believe this is against the rules as well.
Not really, all the posts prove that.
Please requote where you were rallying for protecting children from dying in car crashes. I missed that post.
I believe this is against the rules as well.
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LeonDurham
2018 Feb 17, 5:52pm
Sniper says
Whoa Nelly. Let's back up. Is your position that citizens should have the right to any weapon?
When the 2nd was written they both had access to the same equipment.
Where does it say in the 2nd that in 2018 government can decide what equipment the citizens can have? Can you please post that line in the constitution?
Whoa Nelly. Let's back up. Is your position that citizens should have the right to any weapon?
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LeonDurham
2018 Feb 17, 5:53pm
Sniper says
Yes, I believe it does. It's called interpretation.
Does the Constitution specifically allow for "view" changes to it ?
Yes, I believe it does. It's called interpretation.
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Shaman
2018 Feb 17, 6:29pm
Shaman
2018 Feb 17, 6:29pm
The National Reciprocity Act would go a long way towards establishing a reasonable militia to protect the common good. Giving people a federally applied conceal carry permit (with required training and background checks) would make a lot of criminals think twice before assaulting a member of the public.
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FortWayne
2018 Feb 17, 7:10pm
FortWayne
2018 Feb 17, 7:10pm
It pretty much means everyone can have guns, weapons, etc...
It is a right. They should just keep retards from getting guns.
It is a right. They should just keep retards from getting guns.
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LeonDurham
2018 Feb 18, 7:22am
FortWayne says
So anyone should be able to buy the MK-44 from the other thread then?
It pretty much means everyone can have guns, weapons, etc...
So anyone should be able to buy the MK-44 from the other thread then?
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anonymous
2018 Feb 18, 8:39am
LeonDurham says
This is absurd.
Tatty/joey/happygilmore/cajunsteve now leondurham??
the thread is started with one new profile of yours and you jump in with a different profile?
WTF
Just how may ALTS do you have here?
So anyone should be able
This is absurd.
Tatty/joey/happygilmore/cajunsteve now leondurham??
the thread is started with one new profile of yours and you jump in with a different profile?
WTF
Just how may ALTS do you have here?
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Onvacation
2018 Feb 18, 11:07am
Onvacation
2018 Feb 18, 11:07am
The bill of rights is no longer covered in elementary indoctrination.
Children are taught that religion is bad, the US is evil, the privelaged must give up their wealth for the good of the oppressed, speech must not offend, and the government will protect you. The constitution and most of the bill of rights are now taught as archaic relics of a racist patriarchal system whose time is ending.
The progressives have no problem keeping the third amendment but they want the rest to go.
Children are taught that religion is bad, the US is evil, the privelaged must give up their wealth for the good of the oppressed, speech must not offend, and the government will protect you. The constitution and most of the bill of rights are now taught as archaic relics of a racist patriarchal system whose time is ending.
The progressives have no problem keeping the third amendment but they want the rest to go.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 18, 2:27pm
CajunSteve says
If we just could ban AR-15's, no one would be killed or injured in the country anymore.
Oh, wait.
Sniper saysWhat "extreme damage" are you talking about?
Deaths of school children.
If we just could ban AR-15's, no one would be killed or injured in the country anymore.
Oh, wait.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 18, 2:27pm
CajunSteve says
I wonder how many children died from AR-15's versus cars over these years? Anyone know?
Deaths of school children.
I wonder how many children died from AR-15's versus cars over these years? Anyone know?
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LeonDurham
2018 Feb 18, 3:49pm
anon_cf6c6 says
Well, 1 child dying from a mass shooting is 1 too many.
Let's do everything possible to prevent child deaths from cars, cancer, flu, and mass shootings. How does that sound?
Our elected officials need to grow a pair and tell the NRA that they can go fuck themselves.
I wonder how many children died from AR-15's versus cars over these years? Anyone know?
Well, 1 child dying from a mass shooting is 1 too many.
Let's do everything possible to prevent child deaths from cars, cancer, flu, and mass shootings. How does that sound?
Our elected officials need to grow a pair and tell the NRA that they can go fuck themselves.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 18, 4:13pm
LeonDurham says
Great, so you're starting with the one that kills the LEAST amount first? Why is that?
LeonDurham says
The NRA pulled the trigger in the school that day?
Really?
Let's do everything possible to prevent child deaths from cars, cancer, flu, and mass shootings. How does that sound?
Great, so you're starting with the one that kills the LEAST amount first? Why is that?
LeonDurham says
Our elected officials need to grow a pair and tell the NRA that they can go fuck themselves.
The NRA pulled the trigger in the school that day?
Really?
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LeonDurham
2018 Feb 18, 4:21pm
anon_cf6c6 says
Nope--not starting. Automobile safety has been regulated for a long, long time. We've made laws governing car seats, age/weight limits on front seat passengers, seat belts, crash test requirements, etc.
Great, so you're starting with the one that kills the LEAST amount first? Why is that?
Nope--not starting. Automobile safety has been regulated for a long, long time. We've made laws governing car seats, age/weight limits on front seat passengers, seat belts, crash test requirements, etc.
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Booger
2018 Feb 18, 4:58pm
Booger
2018 Feb 18, 4:58pm
If I can't have my own M134, assault rifle, and some RPG's, then freedom has no meaning.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 18, 5:59pm
Goran_K
2018 Feb 18, 5:59pm
I honestly can’t wait to see leftists get what they want, a civil war with everyone else they want to impose their statism on.
Shortest civil war ever.
Shortest civil war ever.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 6:06pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 6:06pm
LeonDurham says
Great, so is that why car deaths have risen to record levels over 40,000 last year and 3 million were injured from all this NEW safety regulations?
Doesn't sound like government regulation and involvement is working very well.
Ahhh, but adding NEW gun regulations (not including the EXISTING 20,000 gun laws on the books NOW) will stop deranged killers, right? Just like NEW auto safety regulations are reducing car deaths, right?
Geez, more Liberal Logic.
anon_cf6c6 says
Great, so you're starting with the one that kills the LEAST amount first? Why is that?
Nope--not starting. Automobile safety has been regulated for a long, long time. We've made laws governing car seats, age/weight limits on front seat passengers, seat belts, crash test requirements, etc.
Great, so is that why car deaths have risen to record levels over 40,000 last year and 3 million were injured from all this NEW safety regulations?
Doesn't sound like government regulation and involvement is working very well.
Ahhh, but adding NEW gun regulations (not including the EXISTING 20,000 gun laws on the books NOW) will stop deranged killers, right? Just like NEW auto safety regulations are reducing car deaths, right?
Geez, more Liberal Logic.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 18, 6:17pm
And I love that the right's complete subjugation to the NRA is being laid bare for the world to see.
How many ads with Dems run with High School kids asking why politicians can't stand up to the NRA and pass common sense legislation to eliminate school shootings.
Show an excerpt of one of the students speaking, then cut to a diagram showing how much $$ said politician has received from the NRA. Then show his voting record allowing guns for mentally ill, or reducing background checks, etc.
I'm sure those ads are being made as I write this.
How many ads with Dems run with High School kids asking why politicians can't stand up to the NRA and pass common sense legislation to eliminate school shootings.
Show an excerpt of one of the students speaking, then cut to a diagram showing how much $$ said politician has received from the NRA. Then show his voting record allowing guns for mentally ill, or reducing background checks, etc.
I'm sure those ads are being made as I write this.
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bob2356
2018 Feb 18, 7:49pm
Sniper says
Actually they are working well. What isn't working very well is some people grasping the concept of rate. As in fatalities per mile travelled which have been dropping quite nicely with government regulation and involvement. Down a third in the last 15 years and 60% since the first regs started. It's a math thing, conservatives always seem to have trouble with math
Great, so is that why car deaths have risen to record levels over 40,000 last year and 3 million were injured from all this NEW safety regulations?
Doesn't sound like government regulation and involvement is working very well.
Actually they are working well. What isn't working very well is some people grasping the concept of rate. As in fatalities per mile travelled which have been dropping quite nicely with government regulation and involvement. Down a third in the last 15 years and 60% since the first regs started. It's a math thing, conservatives always seem to have trouble with math
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:04pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:04pm
anon_3b28c says
This where the Liberals are being misdirected and lied to by their favorite Liberal MSM channel and talking head.
The NRA has ALWAYS called for sensible background checks. The NRA has never supporter letting guns get in the hands of deranged killers.
I dare ANYONE to post a true article that disputes those facts.
How many ads with Dems run with High School kids asking why politicians can't stand up to the NRA and pass common sense legislation to eliminate school shootings.
This where the Liberals are being misdirected and lied to by their favorite Liberal MSM channel and talking head.
The NRA has ALWAYS called for sensible background checks. The NRA has never supporter letting guns get in the hands of deranged killers.
I dare ANYONE to post a true article that disputes those facts.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:25pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:25pm
bob2356 says
Speaking of math and that "rate thing". Remember your chart here:
anon_42ce4 says
It's a math thing, conservatives always seem to have trouble with math
Speaking of math and that "rate thing". Remember your chart here:
anon_42ce4 says
Not these percentages again, some just haven't learned math.
In 1978 there were 73 million households, so 51% of 73 = 37 million were gun owners.
In 2016 there were 126 million households, so 36% of 126 = 45 million were gun owners.
Quick math question, which is larger, 37 million or 45 million?
What was that again about "right wing math"?
More households own guns NOW.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:14pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:14pm
Goran_K says
Rip up your steak with your hands, you small hands Right Wing Meateating Conservative fucks!!! The kids are getting stabbed!!!
Fact, 3 times more people die to knives in the U.S than to rifles.
Rip up your steak with your hands, you small hands Right Wing Meateating Conservative fucks!!! The kids are getting stabbed!!!
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:22pm
I'm actually willing to restrict handguns since they're really an auxillary weapon, a side arm, rather than a true militia weapon which would be a longarm. Not that it would do much good. Got to be over 30, take a Basic Firearms Safety Class/Get State CCW Permit, have several years experience with a long arm (or have completed 1 year of military service at any time).
On the other hand, Jamal Jackson and Juan Jiminez would still have access to the same .25 Auto that's been making the rounds on the Chicago or San Juan black market since Superfly was in the cinema and is linked to dozens of deaths. And the Mexican Cartels would just smuggle more in.
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:22pm
I'm actually willing to restrict handguns since they're really an auxillary weapon, a side arm, rather than a true militia weapon which would be a longarm. Not that it would do much good. Got to be over 30, take a Basic Firearms Safety Class/Get State CCW Permit, have several years experience with a long arm (or have completed 1 year of military service at any time).
On the other hand, Jamal Jackson and Juan Jiminez would still have access to the same .25 Auto that's been making the rounds on the Chicago or San Juan black market since Superfly was in the cinema and is linked to dozens of deaths. And the Mexican Cartels would just smuggle more in.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 10:53pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 10:53pm
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Actually, the Chicago PD published a report stating the average handgun used in a shooting gets passed around, on average, 6 times between gang members, to be used in a shooting before the cops finally grab it.
I wonder what NEW law the Liberals could propose that would stop that illegal transfer?
Maybe a gun show loophole law or banning of AR-15s in Chicago would stop those illegal handgun transfers. I know, a mental health screening of the thugs would stop it. Yeah, that's the ticket!
I'm sure these thugs fill out Federal 4473 transfer form every time they transfer a stolen handgun to another gang member, right?
On the other hand, Jamal Jackson and Juan Jiminez would still have access to the same .25 Auto that's been making the rounds on the Chicago or San Juan black market
Actually, the Chicago PD published a report stating the average handgun used in a shooting gets passed around, on average, 6 times between gang members, to be used in a shooting before the cops finally grab it.
I wonder what NEW law the Liberals could propose that would stop that illegal transfer?
Maybe a gun show loophole law or banning of AR-15s in Chicago would stop those illegal handgun transfers. I know, a mental health screening of the thugs would stop it. Yeah, that's the ticket!
I'm sure these thugs fill out Federal 4473 transfer form every time they transfer a stolen handgun to another gang member, right?
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bob2356
2018 Feb 19, 7:45am
Sniper says
Quick math question. In any group of say 1 million people (assuming theoretical even distribution) are there more or less gun households at 36% now than at 51% then? Hint 510,000 is larger than 360,000. Right wing math strikes again.
So if a country A has a million people with a million gun owners and country B has 500 million people with 1 million and 1 gun owners that means you are more likely to get shot in country B because they have more gun owners. OF COURSE, how could I not have seen that?
Yes those troublesome (if you don't understand them) percentages do matter.
Not these percentages again, some just haven't learned math.
In 1978 there were 73 million households, so 51% of 73 = 37 million were gun owners.
In 2016 there were 126 million households, so 36% of 126 = 45 million were gun owners.
Quick math question, which is larger, 37 million or 45 million?
What was that again about "right wing math"?
More households own guns NOW.
Quick math question. In any group of say 1 million people (assuming theoretical even distribution) are there more or less gun households at 36% now than at 51% then? Hint 510,000 is larger than 360,000. Right wing math strikes again.
So if a country A has a million people with a million gun owners and country B has 500 million people with 1 million and 1 gun owners that means you are more likely to get shot in country B because they have more gun owners. OF COURSE, how could I not have seen that?
Yes those troublesome (if you don't understand them) percentages do matter.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 7:48am
Why do conservatives frame it as "giving up our guns"? We're talking about regulating a very small subset of firearms whose only purpose is to kill as quickly as possible.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 7:48am
Goran_K says
Fact: One high school student death is one too many.
Fact, 3 times more people die to knives in the U.S than to rifles.
Fact: One high school student death is one too many.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Couple things to note in there:
1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.
So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?
In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”
Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.
So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??
Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.