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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   246,503 views  1,289 comments

by CajunSteve   ➕follow (1)   💰tip   ignore  

With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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700   Bd6r   2022 Jun 3, 2:57pm  

Robert Sproul says
presumably AR platform, to the citizens of Kyiv. They said in the news that 'Ukraine provided them' but c'mon man, they don't have shit that we didn't give them so they were our guns.

They were FULLY AUTOMATIC AK's from old Soviet stock, a family acquaintance has relatives there who got one.
On another note, Ukr interior minister said a few days ago that attitude towards civilian ownership of arms will change and every citizen should be armed. If I understood this correctly, he meant full auto rifles and RPG's.
701   RWSGFY   2022 Jun 3, 3:41pm  

Robert Sproul says

PeopleUnited says
Ask Ukraine why the right to bear semi auto or better is so important, right Joe?

In February they distributed 10,000 rifles, presumably AR platform, to the citizens of Kyiv. They said in the news that 'Ukraine provided them' but c'mon man, they don't have shit that we didn't give them so they were our guns.
As was said recently you arm your allies, you disarm your enemies. We are their enemy.


Wrong: they gave out AK-47 and AK-74 with giggle switches. Also they have a native manufacturer of AR and Tavor patterned rifles in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and 5.56x45, so the premise of "everything is provided by us" is simply incorrect. Grand total we took way more weapons from them than we ever gave (cough, nukes, ICBMs, strategic bombers, cruise missiles, cough).
702   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 4:01pm  

RWSGFY says
they gave out AK-47 and AK-74 with giggle switches. Also they have a native manufacturer of AR and Tavor patterned rifles in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and 5.56x45,


All of these are things they are trying to ban here in America, while giving them to drug cartels in Mexico and civilians in Ukraine.
703   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 3, 4:12pm  

Yep, PeopleUnited, the Biden Clique disarms it's enemies
704   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 4:15pm  

AmericanKulak says

Yep, PeopleUnited, the Biden Regime disarms it's enemies


Fixed it for you.
705   RWSGFY   2022 Jun 3, 4:20pm  

PeopleUnited says

RWSGFY says
they gave out AK-47 and AK-74 with giggle switches. Also they have a native manufacturer of AR and Tavor patterned rifles in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and 5.56x45,


All of these are things they are trying to ban here in America, while giving them to drug cartels in Mexico and civilians in Ukraine.



Different "they". Points for creative quoting though.
706   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 3, 4:31pm  

As usual, America pays most of the bill, the Euros combined not even half as us, despite being most of the G7 and as a whole,wealthier than the USA.

708   Bd6r   2022 Jun 3, 7:17pm  

Question to Patnetters - is there a need to stock up on additional 9mm? Will they be able to mess with it like tax, registration, ban?
709   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 7:20pm  

Arms, ammo, magazines. They are coming for them all.
710   PeopleUnited   2022 Jun 3, 7:22pm  

RWSGFY says
Different "they". Points for creative quoting though.



The USA is directly and indirectly arming civilians and soldiers in Ukraine while they work to disarm civilians in America.
711   Bd6r   2022 Jun 3, 7:27pm  

PeopleUnited says

Arms, ammo, magazines. They are coming for them all.

Have limited space, gun safe too small already, ammo storage closet full so have to prioritize. My goal is 1000-2000 rounds of each ammo type and about three times that of 22lr.
712   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 3, 9:37pm  

.22LR is going to be as good as gold.

Reloading supplies.

Damnit, TEOTWAKI, wait just two years.
713   GNL   2022 Jun 4, 8:29am  

Bd6r says

Question to Patnetters - is there a need to stock up on additional 9mm? Will they be able to mess with it like tax, registration, ban?

9mm just went up $30 per 1,000 from where I purchase. It was $349 2 days ago.
714   HeadSet   2022 Jun 4, 10:24am  

AmericanKulak says
.22LR is going to be as good as gold.

Reloading supplies.

??? Is it possible now to reload rim fire cartridges? I haven't shot .22 LR in decades, and that was from a Ruger rotary magazine carbine.
716   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 4, 11:14am  

HeadSet says
??? Is it possible now to reload rim fire cartridges? I haven't shot .22 LR in decades, and that was from a Ruger rotary magazine carbine.





I can see where my content was misleading, let me restate:

.22LR will be great as a commodity to trade.

Reloading supplies for any round/shell are great to have on hand.

The two weren't related, but .22LR is a pain in the ass to reload. It can be done, but it's a major drag:
https://www.ammoland.com/2015/11/reloading-22lr-ammo/

Which makes having surplus .22LR on hand to trade a good idea.
719   FarmersWon   2022 Jun 5, 12:26am  

Booger says





This looks like Hindoo God's dick.
When will the worship start?
721   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Jun 6, 9:21am  

PeopleUnited says
Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

Thanks for the education (link did not work though)

So then:

*

A [functioning] Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

*

If mentally disturbed people are able to hit soft targets, clearly something needs to give. Do these events not "undermine the security of a free State"?

Perhaps the awnser is in front of us, and we need militias to protect our schools and other public spaces? Honestly don't know, just thinking out loud.
722   Onvacation   2022 Jun 6, 9:33am  

GreaterNYCDude says

Perhaps the awnser is in front of us, and we need militias to protect our schools and other public spaces?

Or maybe just a trained assistant principle with a Glock.
723   Bd6r   2022 Jun 7, 8:46am  

Onvacation says

GreaterNYCDude says

Perhaps the awnser is in front of us, and we need militias to protect our schools and other public spaces?

Or maybe just a trained assistant principle with a Glock.

Or may be just enforce fucking existing laws, such as don't sell arms to persons threatening school violence, prosecute those who threaten violence so they can't buy guns, etcetera.
724   Onvacation   2022 Jun 7, 8:48am  

Bd6r says


Or may be just enforce fucking existing laws,

The assistant principal can do that. That's what they do.
725   Onvacation   2022 Jun 7, 8:50am  

You can outlaw guns but you can't stop people from getting them. That's why it is important to let good guys carry guns. If guns are outlawed only outlaws, and police, will have guns.
726   Bd6r   2022 Jun 7, 9:01am  

I don't argue against arming teachers and principals, but in the whole discussion on "National level" common sense seems to be lost. In LOGIC! we ask questions like what could have been done to prevent shooting. Answer, at least in last few school shootings, is that they would have been prevented if EXISTING laws would have been enforced, and that they would have been much less deadly if heroes in BLUE! would have done their damned job. New laws will not do anything if they don't enforce (or enforce only selectively) the existing laws. The lack of logic in presstitute and politician discussions is truly infuriating.
730   AmericanKulak   2022 Jun 7, 11:35pm  

Bd6r says

I don't argue against arming teachers and principals, but in the whole discussion on "National level" common sense seems to be lost. In LOGIC! we ask questions like what could have been done to prevent shooting. Answer, at least in last few school shootings, is that they would have been prevented if EXISTING laws would have been enforced, and that they would have been much less deadly if heroes in BLUE! would have done their damned job. New laws will not do anything if they don't enforce (or enforce only selectively) the existing laws. The lack of logic in presstitute and politician discussions is truly infuriating.







Nothing can be done until we fix the broken balance between forcible hospitalization and civil rights, and go back to Taxpayer Mental Health facilities for the very mental.

It's one thing to ask people to pay for a weekly visit to Dr. Greenberg, something else to expect them to cover a serious schizo. And halfway homes cannot control or patrol people with severe mental illnesses. They're for people that can work in the normal world with assistance. Schizos will always get their meds adjusted, the danger of halfway homes is that one day, the mix stops working, they decide they're not taking any more of the Alien's mind control pills, and go wander off to throw aliens in front of trains (yes, Mentally ill people can and do hurt themselves and others, quite frequently actually, as anybody who lived in a big city for a year or more has probably seen).
736   Eric Holder   2022 Jun 10, 12:53pm  

Patrick says








Did he call Putin an opressor just now? Tsk-tsk-tsk. That's very Globohomo Joo Nazi of him saying that about OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER!

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