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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   246,437 views  1,288 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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771   Patrick   2022 Jul 21, 8:33am  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/when-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-saves-lives/


The mainstream media has picked up on a story of a heroic armed citizen being heralded as “a good Samaritan” for shooting and killing a gunman who opened fire inside a Greenwood, Indiana mall. It’s been a long time coming, but it’s better late than never for such left-leaning media outlets as ABC, NBC, People magazine, the Today Show, the Washington Post and others reporting what gun owners have known forever: the best — and ofttimes only — way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with another gun.

Yesterday, a man with a rifle managed to kill three people inside the Greenwood Park Mall. But then, a 22-year-old man used a firearm he was legally carrying concealed to shoot the gunman and end his killing spree. Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison told reporters following the incident:

The real hero of the day is the citizen that was lawfully carrying a firearm in that food court and was able to stop that shooter almost as soon as he began.
772   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 21, 12:12pm  

Defensive gun use not rare; concealed carry laws do not cause gun crime

Shannon Watts, a gun control activist and the founder of Moms Demand Action, claims that defensive gun use in the United States is “rare” and that laws allowing people to carry guns increase gun crime. Both of her claims are dubious at best.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/defensive-gun-use-not-rare-concealed-carry-laws-do-not-cause-gun-crime/ar-AAZNgFH?cvid=43d91878fbc54ce8961c5084fff09eae
773   Patrick   2022 Jul 25, 4:17pm  

http://jpfo.org/alerts2022/alert20220725.htm


When the Second Amendment was written as a part of the Bill of Rights, it was uncontroversial. The new American republic had just transited through a grueling revolutionary war to throw off rule of the British crown. The British government had been violating the rights of Englishmen, including the right to keep and bear arms. The first battle of the war started as the British army marched through Lexington to Concorde, Mass., to confiscate arms and ammunition the colonists had stockpiled. After several instances where arms and ammunition were confiscated from individuals, General Gage acted to disarm the entire town of Boston.
778   Patrick   2022 Aug 1, 7:03pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/where-we-stand-depends-upon-who-has


let us start with SA’s own words:

The essence of Lenin’s speeches during this period was “They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot.

When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet.”

And it was.

-Saul Alinsky “rules for radicals”

it’s not new, you just don’t think it could happen here.

but you know what the thing that all societies which succumbed to armed marxist or fascist oppression by violence have in common?

they didn’t think it could happen there either.

these new “woke till you choke” impositions are being used not so much as a means to change minds as a screen for ideological purity and a form of signaling about “what sort of people are welcome in the military these days.” if you’re not a “pronouns in email” kind of guy, uh, person, uh, entity, uh, (jeez this gets hard) then ship out. we don’t want you here, won’t promote you, and intend to make your life a misery.

this is a classic marxist playbook move. you start from the top and replace the generals with political hacks, but this is insufficient. the goal is to shape the military to serve your politics and if the rank and file do not believe, they will not turn upon their own. so you get them learning to fight about pronouns instead of learning to win battles on the field. because, in the end, you want a different kind of soldier. you want a soldier who sees a different kind of enemy.

it’s easy to change the top ranks. in peacetime, pretty much nobody gets past (or even to) colonel without being a politician. but the rank and file soldiers are different. many came from humble upbringings. many joined as a path to an education or a better life. many joined because they believe in and sought to defend america. many fought in overseas wars. and those are difficult things to change, especially changing allegiance from combat commanders to political commissars. it’s easier to change people.

so you have to make it a misery as a means to cull them out and “here, your service is now politically correct puppet-shows and while falling asleep on watch is a no-no, mispronouning the pangendered demisexual otherkin who shares your shower is worse.”

the very absurdity of the ideological purity test is what makes it so effective.




... and this sets up a no win situation for the rank and file because in the military the rules are not like they are outside in “the world.” if you fail to inhabit the hallucination (or at least act as though you do) you get in serious trouble, your career is hampered, and you generally have a bad time.

this is what makes it such a potent selector for generating the right sort of rank and file and ensuring ideological purity. those who disagree wash out. those who remain are either the sorts of “woke” ideologues you prefer or those who will play along to get along. free thinkers and free speakers are expunged.

selecting for people anxious (or at least willing to knuckle under to) such bullying selects for those sufficiently dogmatic or pliable to fight to impose these wokeshevik ideologies upon “domestic foes” that “oppose the revolution.” ...

what if, rather, the aim behind replacing patriots with polemicists lies in domestic ends and a conscious reshaping of what groups the military may be induced to perceive as “enemy”?

it has long been an article of faith the the US military would never turn upon “we the people” but this is historically false. it’s one of the first things it did. over taxes. read up on the whiskey rebellion some time.

and this has been longstanding marxist practice. ...

the capture of justice and investigative/enforcement arms in service of ideology and one sided political partisanship is the road to one party rule. and “brand political foes as terrorists/reactionaries/enemies of the state” is pure bolshevism 101.

but in the US is runs into some problems:

police forces are mostly localized, highly unionized, and basically untouchable. while this certainly produces a set of problems (many quite serious) the silver lining appears to be that it prevents this sort of nationalized political penetration. the cops will not do what DC (or anyone) tells them. they are a power base unto themselves.

did you think the sudden prevalence of this notion amidst rising crime and crackdowns from federal authorities was a coincidence?




this serves 2 aims: it eliminates a competing power base that appears more likely to side with the people if things ever really got bad and it helps make sure that things keep getting worse.

those pushing anti-sanity policies of legalizing theft, preventing policy enforcement, making it impossible to run business in many neighborhoods, and making people feel unsafe as crime surges are not insane. they just have a plan that is not in alignment with your interests.

they WANT it to get worse because that’s how they “teach” you that their intervention is needed and that more draconian top-down diktat and dictatorship is the only way “back to making the streets safe.” ...

every time you see this:




what you’re really seeing is this:




... and the manner in which this may be prevented is twofold:

keep politics (all politics) out of the military, the FBI, the justice department, and every other facet of the armed state.

ensure the populace retains its ability to defend itself against all enemies, foreign and domestic including and especially the government.
779   Patrick   2022 Aug 3, 4:37pm  

https://reason.com/2022/08/03/democrats-dont-care-whether-banning-assault-weapons-is-constitutional/


Democrats Don't Care Whether Banning 'Assault Weapons' Is Constitutional
Even while conceding that the rifles they want to ban are commonly used for lawful purposes, they refuse to grapple with the implications.

A week before the House of Representatives approved a ban on "assault weapons," a federal judge in Denver explained why such laws are unlikely to pass constitutional muster. House Democrats either were not paying attention or did not care, because they view the Second Amendment as an outmoded provision that imposes no meaningful limits on gun control.

Unfortunately for them, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held otherwise, ruling that the government may not prohibit law-abiding Americans from keeping handguns at home or carrying them in public for self-defense. The Court also has said the Second Amendment covers bearable arms "in common use" for "lawful purposes," which presents a problem for Democrats who want to ban many of the most popular rifles sold in the United States.
780   Onvacation   2022 Aug 5, 8:55pm  

Black Guns Matter

"90% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones."
786   Patrick   2022 Aug 27, 12:28pm  




The only people who should have any restrictions placed on their Constitutional freedom to buy a gun are:

1. children
2. the mentally ill
3. convicted felons
787   ForcedTQ   2022 Aug 27, 1:13pm  

Patrick says






The only people who should have any restrictions placed on their Constitutional freedom to buy a gun are:

1. children
2. the mentally ill
3. convicted felons


Convicted felons that are of crimes that are not created by unconstitutional laws which are therefore null and void and not laws at all.
788   Patrick   2022 Aug 27, 5:15pm  

Good point.

To be convicted by an unconstitutional law is political persecution, not justice.
791   richwicks   2022 Aug 31, 4:29pm  

Patrick says








Odd the Nazis went through such great lengths to hide the bodies, but kept mounds of their shoes around. They burned their clothing along with them, but not their shoes.
792   Eric Holder   2022 Aug 31, 4:29pm  

Patrick says







Useless against tanks but VERY useful against fuel trucks. Why deal with the snake's head where teeth are when you can deal with the snake's long and soft body far away from the teeth.
797   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 10, 9:55am  

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/baltimore-authorities-arrest-marine-vet-hero-who-stopped-crazy-gunman-for-having-a-concealed-weapon-of-his-own


Muldrow told the officer that his firearm, a .22 caliber Beretta M9, was holstered on his hip.


Weird choice of a weapon to say the least: if you carry a big effin pistol, why have it in .22?
798   just_passing_through   2022 Sep 10, 10:49am  

.22LR will still do a lot of damage and are easier to shoot.
799   Patrick   2022 Sep 19, 10:12am  

https://thepricklypear.org/jewish-gun-group-plans-to-sue-new-york-over-law-banning-concealed-carry-in-churches-and-synagogues/


A Jewish firearms organization is preparing to sue New York state over its new gun-control law, which prohibits most congregants from carrying a concealed weapon into a house of worship.

The New York State Jewish Gun Club has “retained a civil rights attorney to challenge the law and is asking others to join the fight,” reports the Bronx’s News 12. “[Founder Tzvi Waldman] says synagogues should be able to let licensed civilians carry guns in case of an attack.”

The law, known as the Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA), was introduced and passed on July 1, just eight days after the Supreme Court invalidated the Empire State’s prior, highly restrictive concealed-carry law. The CCIA, which took effect September 1, makes it a felony for anyone to carry a concealed weapon in a “sensitive” location unless he is an active or retired police officer, an active-duty member of the military, or a private security guard. As one might expect from a law specifically designed to circumvent the Supreme Court’s decision, that list of “sensitive” locations is quite lengthy and includes most public buildings, private businesses, schools, and houses of worship.

Houses of worship, especially synagogues, have good reason to oppose the new law. ...

“Almost every orthodox synagogue in Baltimore has an armed congregant,” Rabbi Yaakov Menken, the managing director for the Coalition of Jewish Values, told the Daily Caller. “People do not feel like calling the police or having an armed security guard who may be five blocks away is enough.”


They're right.
800   AmericanKulak   2022 Sep 19, 10:15am  

just_passing_through says

.22LR will still do a lot of damage and are easier to shoot.

Deadliest round in the USA. You can put an awful lot of rounds downrange, with the smallest handgun.
801   Patrick   2022 Sep 23, 4:59pm  



original link


Sheriff: If Congress Passes Gun Confiscation I’ll Swear In Tens of Thousands of Citizens As Deputies To Keep Their Guns
803   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 25, 6:09pm  

Plan on finally getting an XCR once my stock gets bought out.

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