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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   289,540 views  1,465 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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1451   RWSGFY   2025 Jan 11, 11:15am  

HeadSet says

The_Deplorable says


Well, FYI the AK-47 is an excellent weapon and superior to others in many respects.

The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture. Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types.


Recoil is not bad (compared to Garand, tee-hee), but ergonomics and stock sights are shit. AR is far superior in these areas. And since cheap Commie surplus ammo has dried up owning an AK makes even less sense than before.
1453   The_Deplorable   2025 Jan 16, 3:13pm  

HeadSet says
"The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture.
Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types."

On the contrary, the AK-47 is not heavy with almost no recoil. In fact, in Vietnam
it proved to be superior to the AR-15 that had jamming problems - A problem the
AK-47 did not have.
1454   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 16, 3:20pm  

The_Deplorable says


in Vietnam
it proved to be superior to the AR-15 that had jamming problems


This "problem" hasn't been a problem for at least half a century now. And even then it was caused by things having nothing to do with the weapon itself.
1455   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 16, 3:23pm  

RWSGFY says


HeadSet says


The_Deplorable says


Well, FYI the AK-47 is an excellent weapon and superior to others in many respects.

The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture. Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types.



Recoil is not bad (compared to Garand, tee-hee), but ergonomics and stock sights are shit. AR is far superior in these areas. And since cheap Commie surplus ammo has dried up owning an AK makes even less sense than before.



American militia should be armed with current American weapons for bazillion of obvious reasons.
1456   The_Deplorable   2025 Jan 16, 3:27pm  

Eric Holder says
"[AR-15 jamming] was caused by things having nothing to do
with the weapon itself."

Such as what? Dirt from the Vitenam jungle? So... who cares? At that
point you are dead if you are facing an AK-47.
1457   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 16, 3:41pm  

The_Deplorable says

Eric Holder says

"[AR-15 jamming] was caused by things having nothing to do
with the weapon itself."

Such as what? Dirt from the Vitenam jungle? So... who cares?


Wrong type of powder in issued ammo and a false assertion that the rifle doesn't need cleaning.
1459   HeadSet   2025 Jan 18, 9:32am  

The_Deplorable says

HeadSet says

"The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture.
Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types."

On the contrary, the AK-47 is not heavy with almost no recoil. In fact, in Vietnam
it proved to be superior to the AR-15 that had jamming problems - A problem the
AK-47 did not have.

I have held both the M16 and captured Chinese AK-47s in my hands. That AK-47 was several pounds heavier. I have shot the M16 and it has virtually no recoil. I have not fired the AK-47, but folk who have did mentioned the recoil. In fact, the AK-47's high recall is common knowledge among gun enthusiasts.
https://thegunzone.com/does-an-ak-47-have-a-lot-of-recoil/
1460   The_Deplorable   2025 Jan 18, 7:41pm  

HeadSet says
"That AK-47 was several pounds heavier. I have shot the M16 and it has
virtually no recoil. I have not fired the AK-47, but folk who have did mentioned the recoil."

I fired the AK-47 a few times. From my experience, the AK-47 was not heavy and the
recoil was not an issue.
1464   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 22, 11:57am  

Patrick says







A_mm_endment? Who writes this shit? Not English speakers for sure. Same guys who first think "AK-47" when tasked with pasting a rifle picture into a "meme".

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