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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 11:12am
HEYYOU says
Amen
I guess the only way to fix stupid is to continue to vote for Republicans & Democrats.
Amen
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 11:37am
A subtle form of discrimination exists towards those who are less educated and it divides society in a number of ways.
A new report in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology named the term “educationism” and for the first time found clear evidence for what Fusarelli and many others have long suspected: educated people are implicitly biased against the less educated. And this has unfortunate, unintended consequences that often stem from the gap between the rich and poor.
Education also appears to divide society in many ways. Higher levels of educational attainment are linked to greater income, better health, improved well-being and elevated levels of employment. Educational status also reveals political divides. Those with lower qualifications were more likely to vote for Britain to leave the European Union, for example. One report even found that education level played a bigger role in the Brexit vote than age, sex or income.
It is now becoming clearer that there are complex reasons for this – namely that poverty effects day-to-day decision making in previously unforeseen ways. Jennifer Sheehy-Skeffington of the London School of Economics, says that a lack of resources is “psychologically constraining”. It also adds a sense of stigma and shame that creates low self-esteem, a pattern she says is more likely in societies with meritocratic ideologies, where an individual’s achievement is seen as being based largely upon intelligence and hard-work.
Of course, biases in the education system won’t go away overnight. What’s worse is that most of us don’t realise that these biases exist. The meritocratic attitude that hard workers will succeed is still pervasive, despite evidence to show that many factors beyond an individual’s control can hinder potential.
And unfortunately, it is those who are better educated, and who should be sensitive to discrimination, who can benefit – often unknowingly – from the very inequality they helped to create.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171219-the-hidden-judgements-holding-people-back
A new report in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology named the term “educationism” and for the first time found clear evidence for what Fusarelli and many others have long suspected: educated people are implicitly biased against the less educated. And this has unfortunate, unintended consequences that often stem from the gap between the rich and poor.
Education also appears to divide society in many ways. Higher levels of educational attainment are linked to greater income, better health, improved well-being and elevated levels of employment. Educational status also reveals political divides. Those with lower qualifications were more likely to vote for Britain to leave the European Union, for example. One report even found that education level played a bigger role in the Brexit vote than age, sex or income.
It is now becoming clearer that there are complex reasons for this – namely that poverty effects day-to-day decision making in previously unforeseen ways. Jennifer Sheehy-Skeffington of the London School of Economics, says that a lack of resources is “psychologically constraining”. It also adds a sense of stigma and shame that creates low self-esteem, a pattern she says is more likely in societies with meritocratic ideologies, where an individual’s achievement is seen as being based largely upon intelligence and hard-work.
Of course, biases in the education system won’t go away overnight. What’s worse is that most of us don’t realise that these biases exist. The meritocratic attitude that hard workers will succeed is still pervasive, despite evidence to show that many factors beyond an individual’s control can hinder potential.
And unfortunately, it is those who are better educated, and who should be sensitive to discrimination, who can benefit – often unknowingly – from the very inequality they helped to create.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171219-the-hidden-judgements-holding-people-back
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mell
2018 Feb 19, 11:45am
Tim Aurora says
Thing is it's not that hard to reignite a nationalistic left looking out for the workers of its country. All it would take is one common sense charismatic emerging politician who also appeals to the heartland. Yet nobody in sight. Ditch identity politics, focus on real problems such as illegal immigration, taxes, healthcare etc.
Patrick saysIt is ironic that the Democrats, historically the party of the workers, have become without any doubt a tool of the elite to maintain their own righteous but wobbly sense of self-worth and that the Democrats, historically the party of the elite, now represent the working poor.
Could be. Bernie is more socialist as compared to Hillary. But chances of Bernie getting elected over Trump was not good. And the center wants the country to be more capitalistic as compared to socialist.
Also, education is the new currency to be at the top of the world. You can either let China or Germany take the lead or use our education system propel us to the top. While our primary educations leaves much to be desired , American universities are still considered elite and attract the best. No need to snark at them.
Thing is it's not that hard to reignite a nationalistic left looking out for the workers of its country. All it would take is one common sense charismatic emerging politician who also appeals to the heartland. Yet nobody in sight. Ditch identity politics, focus on real problems such as illegal immigration, taxes, healthcare etc.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 19, 11:49am
Patrick
2018 Feb 19, 11:49am
Tim Aurora says
I disagree.
Snarking at our elitist universities is very healthy for the country. Universities would be more admirable if they were only about education, but they are centers of indoctrination in hatred for white working people. In fact, that seems to be their primary function lately - as a means to justify open contempt for those who have lost the rigged game.
No need to snark at them.
I disagree.
Snarking at our elitist universities is very healthy for the country. Universities would be more admirable if they were only about education, but they are centers of indoctrination in hatred for white working people. In fact, that seems to be their primary function lately - as a means to justify open contempt for those who have lost the rigged game.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 1:49pm
mell says
Bernie is the most popular and well liked politician in the country. Yet the media snuffed him out because the Oligarchs who own the media prefer Trump to Bernie. Facts
Tim Aurora saysPatrick saysIt is ironic that the Democrats, historically the party of the workers, have become without any doubt a tool of the elite to maintain their own righteous but wobbly sense of self-worth and that the Democrats, historically the party of the elite, now represent the working poor.
Could be. Bernie is more socialist as compared to Hillary. But chances of Bernie getting elected over Trump was not good. And the center wants the country to be more capitalistic as compared to socialist.
Also, education is the new currency to be at the top of the world. You can either let China or Germany take the lead or use our education system propel us to the top. While our primary educations leaves much to be desired , American universities are still considered elite and attract the best. No need to snark at them.
Thing ...
Bernie is the most popular and well liked politician in the country. Yet the media snuffed him out because the Oligarchs who own the media prefer Trump to Bernie. Facts
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Patrick
2018 Feb 19, 2:12pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 19, 2:12pm
errc says
I disagree. The media did not snuff out Bernie. Hillary colluded with the DNC to snuff him. That's a fact.
It's true that leftist oligarchs who own the media did elect Trump, but not intentionally. Their unwitting gift of billions of dollars of free publicity did it. Every day that they put Trump back in the headlines with their shocked! indignation at his failure to conform to their narrative, they got him another million votes by that action alone.
This is the explanation for the media's relentless hate for Trump voters: "Proprium humani ingenii est odisse quem laeseris", meaning "It is human nature to hate those whom we have injured". All of the media elite come from the same Ivy League milieu where hatred for the poor whites that they have excluded and mocked is the only thing which really binds them all together.
Yet the media snuffed him out because the Oligarchs who own the media prefer Trump to Bernie.
I disagree. The media did not snuff out Bernie. Hillary colluded with the DNC to snuff him. That's a fact.
It's true that leftist oligarchs who own the media did elect Trump, but not intentionally. Their unwitting gift of billions of dollars of free publicity did it. Every day that they put Trump back in the headlines with their shocked! indignation at his failure to conform to their narrative, they got him another million votes by that action alone.
This is the explanation for the media's relentless hate for Trump voters: "Proprium humani ingenii est odisse quem laeseris", meaning "It is human nature to hate those whom we have injured". All of the media elite come from the same Ivy League milieu where hatred for the poor whites that they have excluded and mocked is the only thing which really binds them all together.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 7:15pm
someone else says
So what you’re saying is The Media gave Bernie a fair shake?
And that the media doesn’t know that any publicity is good publicity?
What do you think the Entertainment News Media is selling, exactly?
errc saysYet the media snuffed him out because the Oligarchs who own the media prefer Trump to Bernie.
I disagree. The media did not snuff out Bernie. Hillary colluded with the DNC to snuff him. That's a fact.
It's true that leftist oligarchs who own the media did elect Trump, but not intentionally. Their unwitting gift of billions of dollars of free publicity did it. Every day that they put Trump back in the headlines with their shocked! indignation at his failure to conform to their narrative, they got him another million votes by that action alone.
This is the explanation for the media's relentless hate for Trump voters: "Proprium humani ingenii est odisse quem laeseris", meaning "It is human nature to hate those whom we have injured". All of the media elite come from the same Ivy League milieu where hatred for the poor whites that they have excluded and mocked is the only thin...
So what you’re saying is The Media gave Bernie a fair shake?
And that the media doesn’t know that any publicity is good publicity?
What do you think the Entertainment News Media is selling, exactly?
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Feb 19, 7:30pm
Tenpoundbass
2018 Feb 19, 7:30pm
errc says
It was clear by watching Hillary's debates, Bernie didn't give himself a fair shake. He was not in a debate to win it, that's for sure. The only heated exchange in the whole debate was when everyone was Kissing Hillary's ass because Trump hurt her feelings. They were debating Hillary defending her, while giving it Good to Trump.
Yeah Poor fucking Career Marxist Jew Bernie. Tough break, whudid his wife steal from that college? Everyone was counting on Hillary winning and saving everyone's bacon, the kniniving fucks.
So what you’re saying is The Media gave Bernie a fair shake?
It was clear by watching Hillary's debates, Bernie didn't give himself a fair shake. He was not in a debate to win it, that's for sure. The only heated exchange in the whole debate was when everyone was Kissing Hillary's ass because Trump hurt her feelings. They were debating Hillary defending her, while giving it Good to Trump.
Yeah Poor fucking Career Marxist Jew Bernie. Tough break, whudid his wife steal from that college? Everyone was counting on Hillary winning and saving everyone's bacon, the kniniving fucks.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 7:35pm
Tenpoundbass says
I know, i kniw. Trump has a good penis to reem the Christian school boys with. We love daddy. Daddy can do no wrong.
Wetfart.com steve bannon is MAGA oh noes bannon is GOOGOO GAGA
errc saysSo what you’re saying is The Media gave Bernie a fair shake?
It was clear by watching Hillary's debates, Bernie didn't give himself a fair shake. He was not in a debate to win it, that's for sure. The only heated exchange in the whole debate was when everyone was Kissing Hillary's ass because Trump hurt her feelings. They were debating Hillary defending her, while giving it Good to Trump.
Yeah Poor fucking Career Marxist Jew Bernie. Tough break, whudid his wife steal from that college? Everyone was counting on Hillary winning and saving everyone's bacon, the kniniving fucks.
I know, i kniw. Trump has a good penis to reem the Christian school boys with. We love daddy. Daddy can do no wrong.
Wetfart.com steve bannon is MAGA oh noes bannon is GOOGOO GAGA
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Patrick
2018 Feb 19, 9:12pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 19, 9:12pm
errc says
No, I did not say that. Check above.
They are usually aware that all publicity is good publicity, but somehow completely lost their shit before the last election and never recovered it.
So what you’re saying is The Media gave Bernie a fair shake?
No, I did not say that. Check above.
They are usually aware that all publicity is good publicity, but somehow completely lost their shit before the last election and never recovered it.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 20, 11:14am
Patrick says
Patrick,
Trump and republicans are still members of and represent "the elite." The tax cut proves it. At the end of the day money is what matters most, definitely matters more than whatever CNN anchors say and whatever university professors may convey.
errc saysSo what you’re saying is The Media gave Bernie a fair shake?
No, I did not say that. Check above.
They are usually aware that all publicity is good publicity, but somehow completely lost their shit before the last election and never recovered it.
Patrick,
Trump and republicans are still members of and represent "the elite." The tax cut proves it. At the end of the day money is what matters most, definitely matters more than whatever CNN anchors say and whatever university professors may convey.
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Reality
2018 Feb 20, 12:06pm
Statistically: basketball players (tall and can jump) beget kids who are better than average general population at basketball; beautiful/handsome people have a higher than average chance of giving birth to kids who are relatively beautiful/handsome. There is no reason why intelligence doesn't work the same way, statistically when dealing with a large sampling size.
It is obviously advantageous to place basketball in the hands of people who are tall and can jump, and place productive capital of the society (e.g. factories, farms, research labs, design studios, etc.) in the hands of highly intelligent people . . . instead of the other way around!
The real problem is not in the statistical outcome, but in the individual cases: whether a tall guy who can jump, dribble and shoot the hoop well can get a fair shake at the league draft-pick even if his parents are not good at basket ball. That talent discovery process requires an open and relatively free market place.
Universities have always been whores for the rich and powerful. Before industrial revolution showed the power of scientific knowledge, all universities primarily taught theology. Higher education has always been relatively rich and powerful parents' way of giving their own kids a leg up on other kids, trying to cheat the market competition process.
The problem with Bernie's ideology is amply demonstrated by the thievery/malfeasance committed by his wife while managing the state college with his full knowledge / influence as the Senator from the same small state. If the couple, or anyone like them, were in charge of a country, they would just turn another country into Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea. First-hand experience in the market process was what enabled the intelligent people in 1774 in Anglosphere to come up with documents like the Wealth of Nations (Adam Smith) and Declaration of Independence (and subsequent North administration in granting independence to the former colonies). The silly universities are prone to churning out idealistic idiots like Robespierre, who had been a law student at the world's largest and most prestigious university, Paris, as student representative welcoming the King to campus . . . a couple decades before French Revolution and him voting to decapitate the same king, a year or so before losing his own head on the gilotine, with millions of French deaths accompanying the dramas of Revolution and War.
The free market place gives youth gainful employment and give them real useful (i.e. marketable) knowledge through employment. "Higher education" when widely available only produces redundant apprentice bureaucrats who can not find real gainful employment without displacing the older ones occupying those zero-sum bureaucratic seats.
It is obviously advantageous to place basketball in the hands of people who are tall and can jump, and place productive capital of the society (e.g. factories, farms, research labs, design studios, etc.) in the hands of highly intelligent people . . . instead of the other way around!
The real problem is not in the statistical outcome, but in the individual cases: whether a tall guy who can jump, dribble and shoot the hoop well can get a fair shake at the league draft-pick even if his parents are not good at basket ball. That talent discovery process requires an open and relatively free market place.
Universities have always been whores for the rich and powerful. Before industrial revolution showed the power of scientific knowledge, all universities primarily taught theology. Higher education has always been relatively rich and powerful parents' way of giving their own kids a leg up on other kids, trying to cheat the market competition process.
The problem with Bernie's ideology is amply demonstrated by the thievery/malfeasance committed by his wife while managing the state college with his full knowledge / influence as the Senator from the same small state. If the couple, or anyone like them, were in charge of a country, they would just turn another country into Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea. First-hand experience in the market process was what enabled the intelligent people in 1774 in Anglosphere to come up with documents like the Wealth of Nations (Adam Smith) and Declaration of Independence (and subsequent North administration in granting independence to the former colonies). The silly universities are prone to churning out idealistic idiots like Robespierre, who had been a law student at the world's largest and most prestigious university, Paris, as student representative welcoming the King to campus . . . a couple decades before French Revolution and him voting to decapitate the same king, a year or so before losing his own head on the gilotine, with millions of French deaths accompanying the dramas of Revolution and War.
The free market place gives youth gainful employment and give them real useful (i.e. marketable) knowledge through employment. "Higher education" when widely available only produces redundant apprentice bureaucrats who can not find real gainful employment without displacing the older ones occupying those zero-sum bureaucratic seats.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 20, 12:15pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 20, 12:15pm
errc says
Prefer Hillary to Bernie, and Hillary to Trump.
Bernie is the most popular and well liked politician in the country. Yet the media snuffed him out because the Oligarchs who own the media prefer Trump to Bernie. Facts
Prefer Hillary to Bernie, and Hillary to Trump.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 20, 12:18pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 20, 12:18pm
errc says
Wicked Wascist White Welder from Wisconsin. Die of opiate addiction for your decades of menial labor, Scum!
Welfare Woman of Washington DC so Wonderful with her 4 out of Wedlock Bastards, never Worked a Week in life. Kept Down by the Man! Needs more Help!
Gather around Globalist Georgetown Graduate Gentleman Guideposts for Glorious Future! If you're white and don't eat $50 Lunch of Sushi, live in $800k Townhouse, as Lobbyist or Media Contact for Non-Profit, you FAIL! So Cosmopolitan and Chic, you redneak freak!
We live in a redistributionist state. Washington DC is populated either by Welfare Hos with countless Bastards totally on the Taxpayer, or Georgetown/Brown Snobs redirecting money to the lobbying firms they work for. Everybody else must know their place, which is to provide MONEY (never a tax cut, peasants! The Lords need the harvest) to The Glorious Glitteratti and their Reserve Army of Non-Laborers.
Wetfart.com steve bannon is MAGA oh noes bannon is GOOGOO GAGA
Wicked Wascist White Welder from Wisconsin. Die of opiate addiction for your decades of menial labor, Scum!
Welfare Woman of Washington DC so Wonderful with her 4 out of Wedlock Bastards, never Worked a Week in life. Kept Down by the Man! Needs more Help!
Gather around Globalist Georgetown Graduate Gentleman Guideposts for Glorious Future! If you're white and don't eat $50 Lunch of Sushi, live in $800k Townhouse, as Lobbyist or Media Contact for Non-Profit, you FAIL! So Cosmopolitan and Chic, you redneak freak!
We live in a redistributionist state. Washington DC is populated either by Welfare Hos with countless Bastards totally on the Taxpayer, or Georgetown/Brown Snobs redirecting money to the lobbying firms they work for. Everybody else must know their place, which is to provide MONEY (never a tax cut, peasants! The Lords need the harvest) to The Glorious Glitteratti and their Reserve Army of Non-Laborers.
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Bd6r
2018 Feb 20, 12:18pm
Bd6r
2018 Feb 20, 12:18pm
errc says
I'd say Hillary>Trump>Bernie for oligarchs
Tim Aurora above said that Bernie was not electable. That is not true, the same was said by media about Trump. A Trump/Bernie contest would be a tossup as screwed-over blue collar workers would vote for either of them, but not Hillary. Wisconsin which went for Trump would have a fair chance of going for Bernie. And no, I am not a fan of his socialist ideas, but the guy at least appears to be consistent and honest.
Patrick says
Or one could snark at the fact that universities now are mostly about collecting tuition and job security for Associate Vice Provost for Diversity
Bernie is the most popular and well liked politician in the country. Yet the media snuffed him out because the Oligarchs who own the media prefer Trump to Bernie. Facts
I'd say Hillary>Trump>Bernie for oligarchs
Tim Aurora above said that Bernie was not electable. That is not true, the same was said by media about Trump. A Trump/Bernie contest would be a tossup as screwed-over blue collar workers would vote for either of them, but not Hillary. Wisconsin which went for Trump would have a fair chance of going for Bernie. And no, I am not a fan of his socialist ideas, but the guy at least appears to be consistent and honest.
Patrick says
Snarking at our elitist universities is very healthy for the country. Universities would be more admirable if they were only about education, but they are centers of indoctrination in hatred for white working people. In fact, that seems to be their primary function lately - as a means to justify open contempt for those who have lost the rigged game.
Or one could snark at the fact that universities now are mostly about collecting tuition and job security for Associate Vice Provost for Diversity
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lostand confused
2018 Feb 20, 12:25pm
lostand confused
2018 Feb 20, 12:25pm
Are we the richest nation on earth or the most broke nation on earth that is living dangerously beyond our means??
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bob2356
2018 Feb 20, 12:26pm
someone else says
Care to name all the leftist oligarchs that own the media? Start with Murdoch.
It's true that leftist oligarchs who own the media did elect Trump, but not intentionally.
Care to name all the leftist oligarchs that own the media? Start with Murdoch.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 20, 12:36pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 20, 12:36pm
bob2356 says
How about the Salzburgers, Carlos Slim, Jeff "We need Free Trade, Illegals, but I now tag my warehouse workers and regulate their bathroom trip to the milisecond" Bezos
Remember Ted Turner? He is the second largest private landowner in the USA.
A Brown Graduate, by the way.
Care to name all the leftist oligarchs that own the media? Start with Murdoch.
How about the Salzburgers, Carlos Slim, Jeff "We need Free Trade, Illegals, but I now tag my warehouse workers and regulate their bathroom trip to the milisecond" Bezos
Remember Ted Turner? He is the second largest private landowner in the USA.
A Brown Graduate, by the way.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2018 Feb 20, 3:27pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2018 Feb 20, 3:27pm
Patrick says
I think he was being theoretical without cause. Try sleeping outside, or finding a place that will allow you to use their bathroom, or just sitting down somewhere, but do it looking dirty, and you'll find out very quickly that you're breaking the law. Because no one is allowed to do these things in America? No. Because no one poor is allowed to do these things in America.
It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor
I think he was being theoretical without cause. Try sleeping outside, or finding a place that will allow you to use their bathroom, or just sitting down somewhere, but do it looking dirty, and you'll find out very quickly that you're breaking the law. Because no one is allowed to do these things in America? No. Because no one poor is allowed to do these things in America.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2018 Feb 20, 8:31pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2018 Feb 20, 8:31pm
Consider the plight of the poor non-colored person who aspires for higher education. Gets squeezed by wealthy legacies, and also colored people with inferior qualifications who may in fact be from wealthier background.
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lostand confused
2018 Feb 20, 8:40pm
lostand confused
2018 Feb 20, 8:40pm
willywonka says
And then told he has white privilege .
Consider the plight of the poor non-colored person who aspires for higher education. Gets squeezed by wealthy legacies, and also colored people with inferior qualifications who may in fact be from wealthier background
And then told he has white privilege .
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Patrick
2018 Feb 20, 8:56pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 20, 8:56pm
lostand confused says
And told he has white privilege while the death rates for whites is increasing, and dramatically so for poor whites:
And then told he has white privilege .
And told he has white privilege while the death rates for whites is increasing, and dramatically so for poor whites:
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anonymous
2018 Feb 21, 1:02am
Does your deleting my posts have anything to do with the title of this thread ?
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anonymous
2018 Feb 21, 1:02am
Patrick says
So there are people that actually think this ? C'mon, Really ?
(two comments I made this morning about this were deleted)
I can only assume that it's because of some kind of weird political correctness. Trumpian political correctness. You know the kind.
I'll ask again. Tell me one policy republicans have followed through on for the working poor. I get it that they need the votes of working poor, but that's not the point.
while the Republican Party, historically the party of the elite, now represents the working poor.
So there are people that actually think this ? C'mon, Really ?
(two comments I made this morning about this were deleted)
I can only assume that it's because of some kind of weird political correctness. Trumpian political correctness. You know the kind.
I'll ask again. Tell me one policy republicans have followed through on for the working poor. I get it that they need the votes of working poor, but that's not the point.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Feb 21, 3:10am
CBOEtrader
2018 Feb 21, 3:10am
anon_08dee says
TPP, the wall, tax cuts... the entire MAGA vision is helping the working poor. Even Trumps anti PC tweets are adored by most working poor who are the victims of the "white privilege" SJW racism as well as by a lot of POC who are tired of the low exoectations of soft racism.
Trump is what the democrats used to be back in the 60's.
Tell me one policy republicans have followed through on for the working poor.
TPP, the wall, tax cuts... the entire MAGA vision is helping the working poor. Even Trumps anti PC tweets are adored by most working poor who are the victims of the "white privilege" SJW racism as well as by a lot of POC who are tired of the low exoectations of soft racism.
Trump is what the democrats used to be back in the 60's.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 21, 5:11am
CBOEtrader says
I’m starting to think people actually believe this. WOW
anon_08dee saysTell me one policy republicans have followed through on for the working poor.
TPP, the wall, tax cuts... the entire MAGA vision is helping the working poor. Even Trumps anti PC tweets are adored by most working poor who are the victims of the "white privilege" SJW racism as well as by a lot of POC who are tired of the low exoectations of soft racism.
Trump is what the democrats used to be back in the 60's.
I’m starting to think people actually believe this. WOW
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CBOEtrader
2018 Feb 21, 5:36am
CBOEtrader
2018 Feb 21, 5:36am
errc says
I'm glad we agree. We'll redpill that CNN brainwashing out of you yet :)
I’m starting to think people actually believe this. WOW
I'm glad we agree. We'll redpill that CNN brainwashing out of you yet :)
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anonymous
2018 Feb 21, 7:35am
CBOEtrader says
TPP ? This one is complicated, and can be marketed as pro worker, based on the idea that TPP was too pro china. I don't by it. The only legit criticism of TPP is that it was not done in a transparent public way.
The wall ? Well obviously undocumented workers aren't part of the "working poor." But they are the poorest American workers. Sure, get rid of undocumented workers and pay more for picking crops, construction, nannies etc. I'm sure those costs will trickle up to raise wages for the working middle class.
Tax cuts ? Hahaha. This is going to be a nightmare for the deficit.
THe entire MAGA vision ? It's a bunch of nonsense. Campaign rhetoric, and for too many it means "make America white again." Not going to happen.
TPP, the wall, tax cuts... the entire MAGA vision is helping the working poor.
TPP ? This one is complicated, and can be marketed as pro worker, based on the idea that TPP was too pro china. I don't by it. The only legit criticism of TPP is that it was not done in a transparent public way.
The wall ? Well obviously undocumented workers aren't part of the "working poor." But they are the poorest American workers. Sure, get rid of undocumented workers and pay more for picking crops, construction, nannies etc. I'm sure those costs will trickle up to raise wages for the working middle class.
Tax cuts ? Hahaha. This is going to be a nightmare for the deficit.
THe entire MAGA vision ? It's a bunch of nonsense. Campaign rhetoric, and for too many it means "make America white again." Not going to happen.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 21, 7:36am
CBOEtrader says
I don't recall any Democrat in the 1960s being in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy, abandoning all environmental regulation, rolling back bank and Wall St. regulations, increasing military spending to ridiculous levels.
Can you remind me which Dems you think he resembles?
Trump is what the democrats used to be back in the 60's.
I don't recall any Democrat in the 1960s being in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy, abandoning all environmental regulation, rolling back bank and Wall St. regulations, increasing military spending to ridiculous levels.
Can you remind me which Dems you think he resembles?
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Patrick
2018 Feb 21, 8:30am
Patrick
2018 Feb 21, 8:30am
CBOEtrader says
Absolutely. The theme of his presidency is helping the working poor of all races, especially poor whites who are reviled by the SJW racists. And he really seems to mean it.
Trump is the best Democratic president we've had in decades.
anon_08dee saysTell me one policy republicans have followed through on for the working poor.
TPP, the wall, tax cuts... the entire MAGA vision is helping the working poor. Even Trumps anti PC tweets are adored by most working poor who are the victims of the "white privilege" SJW racism as well as by a lot of POC who are tired of the low exoectations of soft racism.
Trump is what the democrats used to be back in the 60's.
Absolutely. The theme of his presidency is helping the working poor of all races, especially poor whites who are reviled by the SJW racists. And he really seems to mean it.
Trump is the best Democratic president we've had in decades.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 21, 8:37am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 21, 8:37am
rando says
I've been saying this since Trump was on the campaign. He's NOT a Republican. He's not even all that conservative, he donated to Kamala Harris's campaign for fucks sake. Just look at his daughter Ivanka, read what she writes or says. Does she seem right leaning?
People watch too much CNN/MSNBC, and believe the BS. They don't care for facts, they just want to be force fed their narrative.
Absolutely. The theme of his presidency is helping the working poor of all races, especially poor whites who are reviled by the SJW racists. And he really seems to mean it.
Trump is the best Democratic president we've had in decades.
I've been saying this since Trump was on the campaign. He's NOT a Republican. He's not even all that conservative, he donated to Kamala Harris's campaign for fucks sake. Just look at his daughter Ivanka, read what she writes or says. Does she seem right leaning?
People watch too much CNN/MSNBC, and believe the BS. They don't care for facts, they just want to be force fed their narrative.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 21, 8:46am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 21, 8:46am
anon_8f378 says
JFK pushed to cut taxes in his 1963 State of the Union Address, it was considered and rejected later that year, and then an amended version passed Congress after his death. LBJ signed it in February 1964.. The Wealthiest got a double digit percentage tax cut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964
Unemployment fell while revenue actually increased in 1964-1965.
I don't recall any Democrat in the 1960s being in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy
JFK pushed to cut taxes in his 1963 State of the Union Address, it was considered and rejected later that year, and then an amended version passed Congress after his death. LBJ signed it in February 1964.. The Wealthiest got a double digit percentage tax cut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964
Unemployment fell while revenue actually increased in 1964-1965.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 21, 8:52am
Patrick
2018 Feb 21, 8:52am
Goran_K says
I'm getting a handle on the psychology a little bit more, and it really is an example of the Latin phrase: Proprium humani ingenii est odisse quem laeseris. ("It is human nature to hate those whom we have injured.")
The masses of working poor have been trampled by the Ivy League SJW globalist crowd to the degree that they are literally dying in large numbers because their jobs were exported and cheap obedient illegal scab labor was imported, with opioids liberally sprinkled in. And then they are called "privileged" while they are dying, to add the ultimate insult to the ultimate injury.
The SJW crowd has some dim realization that they are to a large degree responsible for the mass murder of the working classes, and they are afraid that their own bad karma is coming back to bite them in the form of Donald Trump. So they are afraid, and fear is pretty much the same thing as hate.
The gun control debate is fundamentally driven by this low level argument, covered up by rationalizations:
SJW: They are going to figure out that we are the ones killing them with our globalist policies. We have to disarm them all, now!
Working class: Ain't gonna happen.
People watch too much CNN/MSNBC, and believe the BS. They don't care for facts, they just want to be force fed their narrative.
I'm getting a handle on the psychology a little bit more, and it really is an example of the Latin phrase: Proprium humani ingenii est odisse quem laeseris. ("It is human nature to hate those whom we have injured.")
The masses of working poor have been trampled by the Ivy League SJW globalist crowd to the degree that they are literally dying in large numbers because their jobs were exported and cheap obedient illegal scab labor was imported, with opioids liberally sprinkled in. And then they are called "privileged" while they are dying, to add the ultimate insult to the ultimate injury.
The SJW crowd has some dim realization that they are to a large degree responsible for the mass murder of the working classes, and they are afraid that their own bad karma is coming back to bite them in the form of Donald Trump. So they are afraid, and fear is pretty much the same thing as hate.
The gun control debate is fundamentally driven by this low level argument, covered up by rationalizations:
SJW: They are going to figure out that we are the ones killing them with our globalist policies. We have to disarm them all, now!
Working class: Ain't gonna happen.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 21, 8:55am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 21, 8:55am
rando says
This can't end well. I really hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime (or my kids lifetimes), but there will be a backlash, and bodies are going to drop.
SJW: They are going to figure out that we are the ones killing them with our globalist policies. We have to disarm them all, now!
Working class: Ain't gonna happen.
This can't end well. I really hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime (or my kids lifetimes), but there will be a backlash, and bodies are going to drop.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 21, 9:07am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 21, 9:07am
someone else says
Great Post
Their willingness to heap love upon non-native poor people is probably an attempt at compensation.
The masses of working poor have been trampled by the Ivy League SJW globalist crowd to the degree that they are literally dying in large numbers because their jobs were exported and cheap obedient illegal scab labor was imported, with opioids liberally sprinkled in. And then they are called "privileged" while they are dying, to add the ultimate insult to the ultimate injury.
Great Post
Their willingness to heap love upon non-native poor people is probably an attempt at compensation.
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NDrLoR
2018 Feb 21, 9:07am
NDrLoR
2018 Feb 21, 9:07am
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Unemployment fell while revenue actually increased in 1964-1965.And inflation was practically zero or close to it in the mid-60's until Great Society spending took off in 1966. 1970's horrendous by comparison 6.2% sent Nixon into a panic from which came wage and price controls sometime in 1971. They worked so poorly that Phase II was implemented to no avail. They were removed in 1973 and with the OPEC oil embargo in October, 1974 was set to experience double digit inflation every month, setting the stage for the rest of the 70's.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 21, 9:11am
TwoScoopsPlissken says
lol--tax rates were 20% - 91% before the cut, and 14% - 65% after.
I don't think that is at all analogous to what Trump passed.
FK pushed to cut taxes in his 1963 State of the Union Address, it was considered and rejected later that year, and then an amended version passed Congress after his death. LBJ signed it in February 1964.. The Wealthiest got a double digit percentage tax cut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964
Unemployment fell while revenue actually increased in 1964-1965.
lol--tax rates were 20% - 91% before the cut, and 14% - 65% after.
I don't think that is at all analogous to what Trump passed.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 21, 9:13am
Patrick
2018 Feb 21, 9:13am
And the SJW crowd is funded by billionaires for the simple reason that all SJW policies are all directly in line with getting yet more money and power for billionaires. Billionaires need to divide working people by race, drive down the native birth rate with feminism, and aggressively promote "diversity" of immigrants to weaken all form of civic engagement:
https://www.amren.com/news/2007/07/a_diversity_div/
The only thing more powerful than a billionaire is a national government. So billionaires want to weaken national governments and promote globalism. In this way, they win the battle of capital against labor.
https://www.amren.com/news/2007/07/a_diversity_div/
The only thing more powerful than a billionaire is a national government. So billionaires want to weaken national governments and promote globalism. In this way, they win the battle of capital against labor.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 21, 9:17am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 21, 9:17am
anon_8f378 says
Your assertion was no Democrats wanted to cut taxes in the 60s:
The Fact is: The Democratic Congress passed tax cuts, and a Democratic President signed them. Therefore, you were just flat wrong.
As for the top rate being cut from 91% to 65% isn't a big deal?! That's a massive cut!
lol--tax rates were 20% - 91% before the cut, and 14% - 65% after.
Your assertion was no Democrats wanted to cut taxes in the 60s:
anon_8f378 says
I don't recall any Democrat in the 1960s being in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy
The Fact is: The Democratic Congress passed tax cuts, and a Democratic President signed them. Therefore, you were just flat wrong.
As for the top rate being cut from 91% to 65% isn't a big deal?! That's a massive cut!
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mell
2018 Feb 21, 9:22am
someone else says
Nice quote! That will drive some cognitive dissonance forced by logic into the resisters and make their heads explode lol
Trump is the best Democratic president we've had in decades.
Nice quote! That will drive some cognitive dissonance forced by logic into the resisters and make their heads explode lol
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― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Perhaps it is only Republican shame and Democratic hubris which separate our political parties. Our school system from the beginning inculcates embarrassment and self-doubt in the "dumber" students, who may or may not actually be dumb, but in any case start out with the disadvantage of shame repeatedly imprinted on their fragile egos as small children: they are not as good as the better students.
Academic achievement is a strong predictor of financial success, but conversely, the financial success of your parents means that you will very likely enjoy academic success. Grades get you money, but money buys grades, if only through better teachers, better facilities, and parents who know the system. The Ivy League, the high church of academic and financial success, wants desperately to believe it is a meritocracy when it most obviously is not. Being a "legacy" candidate (your family attended the school) dramatically increases your chance of admissions. And so Ivy League schools desperately fall over themselves to admit a certain number of highly visible poor blacks to "prove" that they are not closed elitist institutions which serve mostly to maintain the power of those that already have power. But they are, they know it, and it gnaws at them. The gnawing worry that they do not deserve their position compels them to despise those that they beat in the rigged contest of life in America - mainly the white working classes, who have little value as tokens of equality because as members of the majority, they blend in and are just not as visible when boosted into the ranks of the elite. They fear that the white working classes will one day call an end to the charade, and so they label those classes with the worst things they can think of: racist, Nazi, but most of all stupid. These proclamations of hatred for the white working class are also known as "virtue signaling". Their calls for gun control, at a primal level, are simply a reflection of their fear that the majority will see how badly they've been scammed and physically threaten to revolt. Proprium humani ingenii est odisse quem laeseris. ("It is human nature to hate those whom we have injured.")
The elitists have nothing to worry about in America though, since the national motto is "If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?" Meaning that the poor will continue to blame themselves, and not the elite.
So we have insecurity on both sides, where those who are losing from globalization secretly blame themselves for the closing of the factory where they worked, thinking that it was just because they are their co-workers were not as good as the Chinese, when the primary cause was actually that the Ivy League-educated executives of the company that owned the factory wanted to get big bonuses for reducing the cost of labor by moving production to a place with more desperate workers and no pollution laws.
All political dialogue is only a stream of rationalizations intended to make one's self feel better about his insecurities ("Did I really deserve to go to that university through my own merit?" vs "Why don't I ever seem to do well in school? Am I stupid?"). This stream of rationalizations is not capable of convincing anyone of anything, because at some primal level we all know that it's about belonging to a group that tells you you are a valued member and not a piece of shit.
It is ironic that the Democratic Party, historically the party of the workers, has become a tool of the elite to maintain their own righteous but wobbly sense of self-worth, while the Republican Party, historically the party of the elite, now represents the working poor.