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"Why anyone would want to carry a heavy gun when we have police to protect us all?"
BayArea saysWhat percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?
75%+, maybe more, (that is if they're there to take the job seriously).
You think a security guy with tactical training won't take on a snot nosed random kid with a AR?
Ya, if they have a shot, they take it. Do they step into a hallway with a kid firing an AR? No, most won’t. I could be wrong but that’s my guess.
If this gun thing for your own safety is such a rip roaring good thing for school children etc. - then why are there 5 Places Hypocritical Republicans Ban Guns for Their Own Personal Safety ?
1. The White House
Along with making Mexico pay billions for a wall it opposed and never taking a golfing vacation, Trump promised on the campaign trail to legislate a future in which guns could legally be brought into every kindergarten classroom and nursery. “My first day, it gets signed, okay? My first day,” Trump told supporters in Vermont in 2016. “There’s no more gun-free zones.”
While it’s true no president could unilaterally scrap federal law, it’s also true that Trump’s complicit Republican Congress would probably greenlight any pro-gun horrorshow he could dream up. Yet, in the year since he took office, Trump has not spoken out once—even via his digital bullhorn at Twitter—against the anti-freedom gun ban at the White House. What better way for this president to sign...
mell saysDone, Next.
Not done - if this country has been reduced to having armed security at every venue, private and public school, university, church, shopping center, what have you - and the public accepts it because "nothing can be done about the problem" - we are no better than any Third World Nation in addition to slowly and surely losing just a bit more freedom each and every day "because nothing can be done about the problem" instead of demanding that heads roll in the streets (literally if necessary) to get something done about the problem.
The root cause is the moral panic that destroyed the huge Mental Health Network we used to have to house and care for the Mentally Ill.
That there are people today who haven't figured out that most homeless are seriously mentally ill and cannot be relied upon to dose themselves, even if we give them free meds, except with alcoholic and drugs. And mere drugs aren't the end all of treatment, and that whatever cocktail of drugs initially prescribed is seldom the correct one. "Stay a few weeks and Release" is not the answer. Nor are slumlord half-way homes.
Lobotomies are no longer done, Schizophrenia mostly has Genetic Origin, and Nurse Ratched is a fictional character. Re-Open Kings Park and repeal the Lanterman-Petris-Short
in California and other State Laws Modelled on that terrible mistake.
Schizophrenia isn't "Bad social dynamics in the Family" it's genetic, aggravated by certain situations such as severe infant fevers. That idea is from a book that came ...
mell saysI'd rather see free speech and metal detectors / security guards on Universities than no security and free speech restrictions
“I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.”
mell saysHow is guarding public venues more unconstitutional than taking away the basic rights to own guns?
Your right to bear arms may interfere with my right to live in a country free from armed security at every turn of the corner, but please - do so answer the question.
"Accept the casualties, live in a police state with armed guards at every turn and have more freedom" ?
I'm pressed for time right now but I can check back later. Hopping from foot to foot in anticipation of this one.
mell sayswithout rough fatherly influence
How does that work then when someone turns into a looney tunes and shoots up everything insight and we find out he had one of those hero type rough fathers who used to put the fear of god and every other known entity in the kid ?
Clearly taking away guns from people everywhere is the bigger intrusion.
mell saysClearly taking away guns from people everywhere is the bigger intrusion.
I have lived in or visited for prolonged periods of time (months) many countries - Canada, EU (both west and east), Japan. Among all these countries, the US is the least safe and people have the least personal freedoms. Taking away your guns is your least problem.
None of these so called FREE!dom indexes measure access to ordnance. In the states, someone somewhere will sell you belt-fed guns to ensure no one fucks with your rights to personal security and mayhem making.
One only needs to check the size of the prizon population and the number of police killings to know which country is a police country. And unsafe.
I would have taken out that shooter. Good target practice.
(I am in the upper left-hand corner)
Surely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe
anon_cf6c6 saysPlease point out which one of the past mass murders had a father like that in his life at the time of the shooting.
We'll be waiting.
Protocol and social etiquette prevents me from answering until I have let other questions previously asked and ignored get answered.
mell saysSurely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe
Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.
mell saysSurely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe
Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.
DryMap saysmell saysSurely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe
Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.
In the end it is a bit subjective but I definitely feel like I have more freedom in the US than in the EU, even with the imbibing restrictions. However if we let extreme leftism / cultural-marxism / feminism continue to poison this country this may change at some future tipping-point (esp. for straight white males).
mell saysDryMap saysmell saysSurely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe
Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.
In the end it is a bit subjective but I definitely feel like I have more freedom in the US than in the EU, even with the imbibing restrictions. However if we let extreme leftism / cultural-marxism / feminism continue to poison this country this may change at some future tipping-point (esp. for straight white males).
What are you talking about, imbibing restrictions?
It’s sad that it’s a even a discussion about which other country are more known for Freedom than America
THERE WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE oppressed classes of people NOT REACT to their plight en masse.
Whole neighborhoods unite to try to overcome these "enforcement" scams.
They come up with "Black Lives Matter" to highlight the wasted lives they experience either by death or imprisonment only to be rubuked by "Blue Lives Matter" as if blue lives, or all lives, have anything to worry about. --except eclipsing the original statement on the part of oppressed classes of people.
Your own life becomes more unsafe the more those around you keep getting systematically shafted. Liberals think about things like that.
THERE WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE oppressed classes of people NOT REACT to their plight en masse.
They come up with "Black Lives Matter" to highlight the wasted lives they experience either by death or imprisonment only to be rubuked by "Blue Lives Matter" as if blue lives, or all lives, have anything to worry about. --except eclipsing the original statement on the part of oppressed classes of people.
especially the undercover nazi skin head types that use the job as carte blanche
Not at all. Freedom of speech is amongst the best in the US. Also in many European countries you can get sued and ordered to change if your neighbor doesn't want the new color or design, of your house wall, if you have a bathroom airing out to the side etc. Or try running a business elsewhere, think bureaucracy is bad here? Think again. Can't get incorporated faster anywhere else. Some countries prohibit you to even carry a simply knife for self-defense. You can get prison time for extreme opinions solely etc etc. I'd like to be able to have a beer while driving as long as I don't go over the limit, so that I would like to see changed. Even weed laws are still stricter in some European countries than in the US. And you can get admitted to the mental ward against your will quite rapidly (which may not be a bad thing in certain cases), not in the US though. Abortion is illegal in many other countries, and gay marriage. Where do you not feel free (except for the drug laws) here?
jazz_music saysespecially the undercover nazi skin head types that use the job as carte blanche
Provide one example. When you can't, let's all admit this is a leftist fantasy. It is a lie fed to you by CNN so that you feel superior to anyone who disagrees w you, w/o ever actually listening to their opinions. It's brainwashing so that you shut your brain off, and it appears to be working beautifully.
Well, one thing the Broward Cowards Proved:
You can't "just call the police"
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Sat outside hiding behind some wall, avoiding doing what he signed up for. Coward.
Here's your typical government employee. Does minimum, avoids any work, waiting for their extravagant pension to kick in so they don't have to do any work even. Fricken worthless pieces of crap.