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The term "assault rifle" (Sturmgewehr) was originally coined by "ze Germanz" and meant to describe a selective-fire rifle using an intermediate cartridge. The first ever assault rifle was Stg.44 designed by Hugo Schmeisser.

Use of intermediate cartridge and ability to switch between semi- and full-auto are the two main characteristics which set assault rifles apart from other types of small arms used by the military: machinepistols (mostly full-auto only, uses pistol cartridge) and battle rifles (mostly semi-auto only and uses full-power rifle/mg cartridge).

Ak-47 and M4 are assault rifles. MP5 and Thomson are machinepistols. M1 Garand and FN FAL are battle rifles.

AR-15 does not belong to any of the above categories - it's best described as a sporting rifle or "civilian rifle".

Any gun that Democrats don't like. Meaning any gun.

AR-15 is considered a modern sporting rifle and does not meet the definition of an assault rifle because it does not have a select fire capability.

There are some AR-15s that were legally registered as machine guns with the ATF prior to the 1986 deadline. An auto-sear could be added to the AR-15 to allow it to be an automatic rifle. The auto-sear simply kept the hammer from falling until the bolt was fully in battery with the trigger being pulled. This is no longer possible legally for a civilian to do. You can however apply for the machine gun stamp and buy a pre-ban registered receiver.

Booger says

Any gun that Democrats don't like. Meaning any gun.

He he he. Love that comeback. Don't agree, but love it anyway.

BayArea says

Media uses the term at every corner, but I have yet to see a clear definition.

I thought every 'scary black rifle' was a machine gun according to the media. I guess they've gotten a half step closer with assault rifle.

With regards to the AR-15, it has the tech specs of a sporting rifle but the look of an assault rifle. I can see the average crazy wanting to go on a shooting spree being attracted to it. If AR-15s disappear then I'm sure the crazies will settle for a different semi-auto.

Booger says

Any gun that Democrats don't like. Meaning any gun.

From the Media and Politicians, pretty much what Booger said.

Technically, Satoshi_Nakamoto has it right.

Gun control is a failed platform. Columbine happened during the Assault Weapons ban for fucks sake.

It's a good "feelings based" effort though for the DNC, much easier to push than real priorities like the economy, foreign relations, fixing black inner city crime and poverty, the trade deficit, national debt, immigration etc.

The one thing I like about Trump, even though I didn't vote for him, is that he actually has tried to tackle real issues like tax reform, immigration and the trade deficit. The guy has some fucking balls.

BayArea says

Does it mean a scary black semi-auto rifle?

Yes, exactly. Having a scary outer covering.



The media considers the bottom rifle an "assault weapon". Actually, internally and mechanically, they are the same Ruger 10/22 22LR squirrel shooter. The bottom one has a scary costume on it, some accessories and a 30 round mag inserted, but functions exactly the same as the top one.

Which one would scare the media?

BayArea says

Or is there more to it?

Liberal lunacy.

I even wonder if Democrats are OK with people owning a muzzle loader.

HowdyThere says

If AR-15s disappear then I'm sure the crazies will settle for a different semi-auto.

The crazy whose shooting rampage was used as an excuse for passing the infamous CA Roberty-Roos AWB used a Chinese clone of a semi-auto version of AK-47 rifle, a Brazilian clone of a Beretta 92 pistol, a van loaded with fireworks and a Molotov cocktail. For some reason vans, fireworks, bottles, rags, oil and gasoline weren't deemed worthy of a special legislation.

Booger says

I even wonder if Democrats are OK with people owning a muzzle loader.

Next time a Democrat says no one needs a AR15 and muskets are fine, we should tell them no one needs a computer, Twitter, Facebook or the Internet for their 1st Amendment right. They can use an ink quill pen and paper and send their opinions by way of a guy on a horse.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

AR-15 does not belong to any of the above categories - it's best described as a sporting rifle or "civilian rifle".

Yep. It is mainly a sporting rifle, it just looks scary.

The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.


The .223 is in the middle. If a nut case was really serious about killing, there are a bunch more larger and more powerful rounds to fire, which are the ones hunters use. Hardly anyone hunts with a .223, not powerful enough. It's used for getting rid of varmints on the farm.

HEYYOU says

Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.

Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.

Sniper says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

AR-15 does not belong to any of the above categories - it's best described as a sporting rifle or "civilian rifle".

Yep. It is mainly a sporting rifle, it just looks scary.

The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.


The .223 is in the middle. If a nut case was really serious about killing, there are a bunch more larger and more powerful rounds to fire, which are the ones hunters use. Hardly anyone hunts with a .223, not powerful enough. It's used for getting rid of varmints on the farm.

The 300 AAC "Blackout" is one of my favorite calibers. I own three different uppers for my AR-15s in this caliber. The standard AR-15 magazine can be used to feed the 300 AAC.

The .223 is indeed a varmint round but it is also specifically made to be extremely lethal by tumbling violently when it gets into something denser than air. This is one of the reasons that the military adopted this civilian varmint round to be used in their new infantry rifle. The original M-16 A1 models had a 1 in 12" twist rate that was barely enough to stabilize the bullets in hot humid air. These same rounds would keyhole at 100 yards in dense arctic air. This is why you now see 1 in 7" or 1 in 8" twist rates being standard. The faster twist also allows much heavier rounds to be stabilized.

This tumbling is sensitive to speed. Once the bullet slows to about 2,600 fps, it will not tumble and tear apart. The shorter 14.5" barrels of the M-4 reduces the range that these bullets are able to tumble. The same can be said for the AR-15 with a 16" barrel.

This may be why we are hearing about survivors of these mass shootings being hit multiple times with an AR-15. Had they been hit with a M193 (55 grain 5.56x45) out of an AR-15 using a 20" barrel with a slower 1 in 12" twist rate, I doubt anyone would survive a single hit to the center of mass.

If you want to reduce damage of these guns, the DNC should push to repeal the NFA SBR provisions and then run a huge brain washing campaign showing people fighting zombies with SBR AR-15s while laughing and smiling at the "dead" zombies. The DNC would easily get the support of the RNC in removing the SBR provisions and this would save me $200 for the tax stamp that I plan on applying for soon.

Assault Rifle, like previously said, = select fire rifle / rifle with auto fire / machine gun. Assault Rifle does not = semi auto. The AR in AR-15 does not mean Assault Rifle contrary to what the Anti-Gunners keep crying about; AR stands for Armalite Rifle.

Another thing an Assault Rifle is not necessarily, is the made up term "Assault Weapon." And an "Assault Weapon" is definitely not an Assault Rifle. This is a Bullshit term made up by the legislature trying to confuse the public into thinking they were creating a law against automatic weapons. News flash imbeciles (Feinstein), the NFA took care of severely limiting access to automatic weapons many years before, need a stamp now. An assault weapon is all about how a semi-automatic rifle looks, it's "scary costume" as another poster put it before. The public was duped by this, and they are now on track to be duped by it again unfortunately.

The public is in the process of being trained to be afraid of semi-autos. That they need to be banned. That the rate of fire of pulling the trigger with your finger as fast as you can is too fast. Bump-stocks do not make a semi-auto an automatic weapon. But again, the anti-gunners are trying to make everyone fearful of the scariness of semi-auto fire. If this bump-stock ban bullshit goes through, these assholes are going to be initiating rate of fire limitations, to the point of making it illegal to actuate the trigger more than x times per minute.

Goran_K says

HEYYOU says

Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.

Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao... Who was the Cambodian leader that took away guns?

A little fact checking:

https://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/gunhistory.asp

Goran_K says

HEYYOU says

Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.

Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.

So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?

errc says

Goran_K says

HEYYOU says

Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.

Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.

So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?

Having 350M guns in circulation reduces the likelihood of tyranny.

There is no question that a government considers a fact if 1:1 ratio of population to gun when making decisions.

BayArea says

errc says

Goran_K says

HEYYOU says

Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.

Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.

So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?

Having 350M guns in circulation reduces the likelihood of tyranny.

T...

What government decisions here in America are made that may have been tyrannical, but were kept in check by the number of guns in circulation?

Does the government often say “oh we were going to raid this negros house because we know he has 100 grams of cannabis flowers, but we also know he has guns so fuck dat, let him be”?

RafiMaas says

I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.

Confused indeed.

RafiMaas says

Sniper says

The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.

First

The bullets also vary in size and shape. Availability for .22LR bullets varies from 36 to 60 grains in weight (2.3 to 3.9 grams), while .223 bullets range from 40 to 90 grains in weight (2.6 to 5.8 grams).

The most common 22LR round is 40 grain, the most common .223 round is 55 grain, so yes, they are approximately the same weight.

What is the most common weight of a 9mm and .40 round?

Bonus points: What did the Virginia Tech shooter use as a weapon and what caliber rounds was he shooting? How many were killed?

RafiMaas says

Sniper says

The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.

I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.

Which part of "higher speed" is confusing to you?

Sniper says

Which one would scare the media?

Both.

RafiMaas says

Well this clears things up. Looks like only a dumb fuck would say these 2 bullets are nearly equivalent.

Having difficulty understanding the difference between "weight" and "velocity"?

RafiMaas says

Sniper says

What did the Virginia Tech shooter use as a weapon

Glock 19 and a Walter p22. So I guess you are saying we should ban those too?

Which one was the scary "assault weapon" with the high capacity "clips"?

It may be a good bet that there is no tyranny because there are over 300 million privately owned guns...

errc says

So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?

The public is in the process of being trained to be afraid of semi-autos. That they need to be banned. That the rate of fire of pulling the trigger with your finger as fast as you can is too fast. Bump-stocks do not make a semi-auto an automatic weapon. But again, the anti-gunners are trying to make everyone fearful of the scariness of semi-auto fire. If this bump-stock ban bullshit goes through, these assholes are going to be initiating rate of fire limitations, to the point of making it illegal to actuate the trigger more than x times per minute.

Naw, "actuate the trigger more than "x" times per minute" sounds complicated. Look instead to see a push to limit the public to bolt action (like a Remington 700) or lever action (like a classic Henry) rifles. But then again on the old TV series "The Rifleman," old Chuck Conners could get some rounds off pretty quick with lever action.

RafiMaas says

Sniper says

The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.

I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.

Guess what, I'm not buying it.

I bet a .22 LR could be as lethal as the .223 with the right setup and situation. Simply pull the .22 bullets from the cases of a CCI Stinger and replace them with tracer bullets or white phosphorous with a lead jacket. At close ranges, these bullets would be able to penetrate into a person and burn for a bit in the victim.

The .223 and 5.56x45 use a 0.224" caliber bullet design. The .22 LR is a 0.222" caliber design. This is where the similarities end. While I don't reload .22 LR, I have dissected the caliber and it holds about 4 grains of powder. I put about 28 grains of CFE 223 in my 5.56x45 reloads.

The hottest .22 LR has about 4 grains of a fast burning powder. Average speed of a .22 LR Stinger is 1600 fps. The .223 is about 3,200 fps from a 20" barrel and is double the velocity. Since KE goes up as the square of velocity, the .223 55 grain load is a bit more than 4 times as powerful as the hottest .22 LR.

Man, I thought I read that you said size, which yes, in diameter the .223 and 22lr bullets are approximately the same.

But weight? 55 is 37.5% larger than 40. that is no where near approximately the same weight.

Looks like I don't stand corrected.

Not relevant. If you get shot by either a .22 or a .223 at in the heart area or head, you will just as dead. Likewise , a leg shot from either will not be fatal. Although the.223 is more powerful than .22LR or pistol ammo, it does not add significant lethality when shooting at an unshielded crowd. Also, the guy with the AR-15 is no more able to fend off police than a guy with a .22LR. The perceived lethality of the AR-15 comes from the widely held mistaken notion that the AR-15 is a full auto device.

While I don't reload .22 LR

If you can find a way to reload a rim-fire cartridge like a .22, I'll take my hat off to you. Not saying it can't be done, but I will be impressed.

RafiMaas says

Sniper says

What did the Virginia Tech shooter use as a weapon

Glock 19 and a Walter p22. 33 dead. Bounus question, how many died from being shot by the Glock? Double bounus did he use the 19 or 22 on himself for the 33rd death?

So I guess you are saying we should ban those too?

Talking of banning AR15s is just as crazy. There are over 5 Million AR15s in the country and 2 are used a year for a mass murder. So, in Liberal Land, a whole classification covering multi-millions of rifles should be eliminated.

Here's another hint, I bet a whole bunch more blacks in Chicago are killed by Glocks than AR15s

Anything that scares Democrat is an assault rifle. Guns, knives, cars, religion, civility, order, family, morality, jobs, personal responsibility and hard work.

Don't forget hetero sex
FortWayne says

Anything that scares Democrat is an assault rifle. Guns, knives, cars, religion, civility, order, family, morality, jobs, personal responsibility and hard work.

HeadSet says

While I don't reload .22 LR

If you can find a way to reload a rim-fire cartridge like a .22, I'll take my hat off to you. Not saying it can't be done, but I will be impressed.

http://22lrreloader.com/design-details/

It is possible to reload a .22 lr but it is not easy or worth my time.

I reload .223, 300 aac, .308, .30-06, and .45 acp. Most of my .223 cases are converted into 300 aac cases with a chop saw and then running it through my resizing die. I have a ton of different .308" caliber bullets because they are used in three of my reloaded calibers.

I have heard of people reusing .22 lr brass to make a jacket for a home made .224" bullet for use in a .223.

RafiMaas says

I make $550,000 a year you make $400,000. So what you are saying is we make approximately the same amount of money?

RafiMaas says

So I guess you are saying we should ban those too?

OK, since we're in straw man land, I'll play too.

Stephanie Rivera was the passenger in Michael Llamas' Lamborghini when they were involved in a fiery crash in downtown San Diego early Sunday morning. Michael Llamas, 33, was behind the wheel, traveling northbound on Harbor Drive at over 100 mph when he lost control, officials said. The luxury car crashed into a palm tree and Was engulfed in flames.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Woman-Injured-in-Fiery-Lamborghini-Crash-a-Model-in-Mexico-455978983.html

No one needs a Lamborghini that can go 180 mph to commute on the 405 Freeway to work every day. We need to ban all Lamborghinis, if we can save one life, it's worth it. People should only be allowed to own Hyundai Accents, no one needs a high capacity gas tank that can hold over 10 gallons of gas.

See how Liberal Logic works now?

Nobody needs liberals either, can we ban those too?

RafiMaas says

Actually not every one can afford that Lamborghini.

That's why you can buy an SKS or Mosin or other cheap rifle and get it all "Bubba'd" over time.

RafiMaas says

Liberal logic make certainly guns more expensive so not just anyone can afford it just like the Lamborghini. No need to out law either one.

As long as the "right" people have it, it can be unregulated. But if those the unwashed Demos start getting it, you gotta be like Warren G.

BlueSardine says

It may be a good bet that there is not more tyranny because there are over 300 million privately owned guns...

Took liberty and fixed it for you.

FortWayne says

assault rifle.

Assault weapons.

First they'll ban certain scary firearms. Then all firearms.Then certain scary knives....

The privilege of liberty requires that free men maintain their natural right to defend themselves from criminals, " by any means necessary."

RafiMaas says

Actually not every one can afford that Lamborghini.

Have you seen the price of a quality AR lately?