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The Short Cut President. He got all of his accomplishment accolades the first 100 days in office, for doing nothing for the next 8 years.

Eh, I'm a little dubious. Trump announces he's pulling out some ground troops (mostly advisers and trainers, about 4000) and the PRESTO! Assad uses chemical weapons.

It's a little too convenient.

The way to spot a false flag is to see how charges are lobbed against Putin or Assad after an incident. They don't flow through the proper international law channels.
It's just knee jerk reaction. Much like the way our Deepstate and Media collude to create fear and division about Trump. Not supposed to leak information on investigations are stem from serious charges. But because Mueller and his FBI Obama minions don't have fuckall on Trump. Leaking fear is the only game they have.

These things are usually determined after international investigation. And for the last two years or more, the official International body investigations said, it wasn't Russian Gas, it wasn't Assad, it wasn't Putin's nerve agent used in UK on the Russian double agent and his daughter.

These idiots are so transparently stupid. I just wonder how Trump is in communication to let Putin know, he doesn't really think these charges are credible. and knows exactly who did it.

Trump came out and denounced Putin, the Liberals didn't expect that. They needed mid term soundbytes and talking points saying Trump supports genocide in Syria.

It will all come out in the end, that I'm sure of. Just as sure Putin nor Assad had anything to do with this.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Assad uses chemical weapons.

It's a little too convenient.

Assad will be getting a MAJOR spanking from Trump in 5, 4, 3, 2......

I hope he has a really good bomb shelter.

Obummer was a failure since he talked big and didn't follow up. I'd have more respect if he would have refused to intervene in order not to create another arab spring terrorist paradise. I hope Trump talks Assad into a voluntary orderly change with a vetted successor or keeps him in power under certain concessions.

And speaking of the Russian Poison red flag
They reported the Skripal poison used within hours of it being reported.

https://www.rt.com/news/423481-opcw-head-novichok-doubt/

Perhaps Patrick could sell this forum to Brietbart, or the Koch brothers ?

marcus says

Perhaps Patrick could sell this forum to Brietbart, or the Koch brothers ?

Why would they be interested in Obama's failures?

Tenpoundbass says

And speaking of the Russian Poison red flag
They reported the Skripal poison used within hours of it being reported.

It is actually really easy to determine what was used. Requires 10 minutes after delivering sample to lab. In fact, similar methods are used in airports, where they can determine nearly in real time if someone has been in contact with explosives.

Furthermore, Russians did poison Litvinenko, so this fits their modus operandi.

drB6 says

Furthermore, Russians did poison Litvinenko, so this fits their modus operandi.

Russians, maybe ... Litvinenko owed a lot of people serious money and blabbed about a lot of Mafiosos in the Press. Not necessarily Putin, but Korleonovitch.

As for this one, he was a British Agent traded to the UK in return for other Russian spies. Doesn't make any sense to kill him if they traded him away, knowing he already passed stuff on and would be talking going forward.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Not necessarily Putin, but Korleonovitch.

It is the same - serious mafia is controlled by individuals in state agencies. There are quite interesting photos of Putins close associates in funerals of Leningrad mafia in 1990's. WRT to Skripal, KGB/GRU always go after people who betrayed them.

Edit: and zerohedge, which was quite readable and interesting when it was started, has now degenerated into "Russians good, Israel/US imperialistic and bad" mode. They can not be trusted with respect to anything Russia.

I don't know what to think, other than the timing of the "Chemical Use" is very suspicious. I can't think of one reason why Assad would use them with ISIS on the run and the US bombing like Crazy and Turkey invading Syria. His family hasn't been dictators for decades by being morons.

I'm not doing the "Putin always perfect. Evil Joos and Saudis bombing poor Assad" thing, but I'm also not dismissing the possibility that the "Deep State" is pulling this BS to force Trump's hand. Especially the timing of it all, with Trump announcing he was going to start pulling our few troops out. Does Assad NOT want the US to withdraw troops and bomb the shit of his forces?

The last time Chems were used, it was very debatable as to who used them. The MSM and Deep State (but I repeat myself) was like "It's Assad, no doubt." The actual investigation showed there was no smoking gun. Noting that ISIS had taken plenty of Syrian Army Depots at the time.

drB6 says

It is the same - serious mafia is controlled by individuals in state agencies. There are quite interesting photos of Putins close associates in funerals of Leningrad mafia in 1990's. WRT to Skripal, KGB/GRU always go after people who betrayed them.

Yep, but this guy, a British Spy, was traded on purpose for Russian Spies captured in Britain. Why kill a captured agent you traded away years ago? It's not like they were worried he would sing, when he probably sang long ago.

Also, they'd have to know the first thing the Brits are going to do if an ex-Russian Spy is killed, is test for toxic chemicals. I just don't think Assad or the FSB is stupid.

The fact that chemical weapons are alleged in both Syria and in England seems like a "Focus Groups reveal people are really afraid of Chemical Weapons, so..."

TwoScoopsPlissken says

It's not like they were worried he would sing, when he probably sang long ago.

Revenge for giving out secrets and warning to future possible defectors.

drB6 says

Vendetta for giving out secrets and warning to future possible defectors.

Doesn't make sense, this guy was deliberately traded to the UK. So they had to expect he'd sing if he hadn't already passed on the info he had to the Brits before his was caught. He's been there for years. It would also put a damper on any other trades from happening.

Also, stupid because of the last guy who was allegedly killed with WMD-like substances.

Story doesn't make sense. We have to believe a long time Family of Dictators and the FSB and Putin are dumb silly bastards, with no ability to think of consequences. Very unlikely. There's also no way they don't know the US and UK are desperate for any excuse for sanctions and anti-Assad bombings.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The last time Chems were used, it was very debatable as to who used them. The MSM and Deep State (but I repeat myself) was like "It's Assad, no doubt." The actual investigation showed there was no smoking gun. Noting that ISIS had taken plenty of Syrian Army Depots at the time.

I read Russians who are well-connected with their mercenaries in Syria. They say that there does not exist any chain of command in Assad forces. There are many independent factions which do not take orders from Assad/Iranians/Russians, and chemicals use (at least chlorine used lately) is likely by them. E.i., formally they are supporting Assad, but in reality they are local gangs that fight for influence/money/territory. Timing is of course suspicious, but a reasonable explanation would be that we hear about chemical attacks only when it is useful for outside players (attacks by formally other side are not publicized, and in reality we do not know with whom many factions are associated).

In general, I do not understand what the hell is US doing in Syria anyway, what is motivation/profit. Just arm Kurds and let them kick everyone's ass. They are not Islamic, and appear to be the only side in this conflict that is sensible.