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I think it is fair to say that the current generation of H.S. and College Students are more ignorant of US and World history than any of our ancestors over the last 3 generations.
The same radicals that are inspiring snowflakes to lose their shit and rip down statues are teaching them their Marxist view of history.
Why bother removing them, then? Still don't understand why a songwriter and a monument to Polish victims of Red Terror are the equivalents of Stalin and Hitler Statues - please explain.
I think it is fair to say that the current generation of H.S. and College Students are more ignorant of US and World history than any of our ancestors over the last 3 generations.
Throughout history violence and war only creates more of itself for example WWI->WWII->Cold War ->Korean War->Vietnam and up to today. While nonviolent moments like Gandhi’s, the suffrage movement or Civil Rights movement lead to peace and long lasting change. Ours will too.
— David Hogg (@davidhogg111) April 30, 2018
But, I don't think it's an outrage if a population decides that they don't want to honor a historical figure and therefore want to take a statue down. It's happened since the dawn of time.
I understand the point here, and it is logical. Having said that, it is not how this is done now. there are attempts to take down statues in a city where I live. No one asks me. If this would be done via a city-wide referendum, and most people would vote for taking down statues, then I would be OK for it. As it stands now, a minuscule yet very vocal minority (ca. 200 demonstrators out of 4 M people in city) wants to take them down, and they may succeed.
No equality here. As I've illustrated twice.
Just pointing out the flaw in your logic.
They are removed to avoid the perception that one is idolizing the subject.
Trumpkins
I can't speak for anyone else, but I would imagine people don't want to honor them any longer. Like I said--this has happened routinely throughout history. It's nothing new.
It's with the elected representatives then.
So why take down the statue and in same thread ask if Stalin statues should have been taken down? This sounds like implying that Katyn victims are somewhat similar to person who ordered their execution.
And why not take down MLK statue? And, finally, who should determine which statues are taken down and which are not?
People want to honor them. But the mayor and some handpicked, unelected officials want to move it because "it's gruesome" "Mothers shouldn't have to explain it".
Like I said earlier--it's up to the population to decide who they want to honor and who they don't.
Not happening. In the case of NJ, and other cases, it's clear that boards of "City Improvement Council" types picked from Social Justice or just plain controversy-dodging Suits, are removing them, on unannounced voice votes and/or without consultation of any kind.
Anyone who thinks a statue is history is a moron.
Because I was attempting to point out the illogical nature of the argument.
No offense, but your opinion doesn't necessarily equal the population's view.
Good on you for doing it. The rightwing population on this board has been repeating this illogical argument so much that they probably don't even see the fallacy of the argument. By equating 'statue removal' with 'erasing history,' the argument shifts away from the particular statue and into the meaning of words. By trying too hard to make the left seem like truth deniers, they make themselves seem like illogical fools.
So every historian and archeologist is a moron, nice...
I guess we can throw out everything before written language as well, because according to you, it's not history. And what if the language isn't readable, like how many people know hieroglyphs? Not history either apparently.
Do you ever actually think through anything you say, or do the words just spill out of your mouth like so much vomit? If you did, you'd realize that moronic statement just wiped out half of history.
FYI for the board, this is the kind of reduced mental capacity you can expect from anyone who sees politics as anything more than entertainment(think WWF), or subscribes to the false left/right paradigm.
Removing a statue is not destroying history.
Pretty sure that history is more properly written in books or essays. Or recorded in video form and pictures.
None taken, but removing the Katyn statue was no subject to any public opinion, it's removal was attempted by stealth, as many statues and memorials are being removed that aren't "100% PC"
You are quite correct, Sir! History may not be destroyed unless one has access to a time machine which Eisteinian physics predicts is impossible.
However, the remembrance of history is another matter entirely. Have you ever been to the holocaust museum? Ever seen the statue of the flag raising at Iwo Jima? Ever been to the National Mall and marveled at Lincoln’s sad expression from that giant throne? Statues help us remember history, and are a semi-permanent reminder of that history. Do they also honor historical figures? Possibly, but such figures are rarely alive to appreciate the honor. Their primary purpose is to remind people of historical figures and occurances!
it might spur one to learn the history surrounding the art.
It was public officials that decided to remove them--not SJWs.
Again-a statue is art. Sometimes it commemorates a historical act of idolizes a historical figure, but it's never history
It's not erasing history, it's a decision not to honor that person.
Like I said--elect different people then. It was public officials that decided to remove them--not SJWs.
see that we agree. Before (near) universal literacy, statues and other works of art were the primary method of keeping historical acts alive in the minds of the common people.
Given the clear preference internet users show for pictures over text, I’d say we still prefer visual art as remembrance queues rather than dry textbooks.
Really, the removal of the Oh Sussana guy wasn't initiated by SJWs?
And this is where we are today.
"'RACIST + RAPIST' SPRAY PAINTED ON THOMAS JEFFERSON STATUE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA"
http://www.newsweek.com/thomas-jefferson-statue-vandalism-university-virginia-886233
Washington, Adams and Lincoln will be next.
Then again, I believe you made the claim that each generation is smarter than the last.
"History is racist and sexist and homophobic. Let's pretend nothing came before us so no one's feelings are hurt" - Millennials
So, the statue of a great songwriter is taken down solely because of a black dude playing the banjo sitting next to him, but a vicious Eugenicist who called for sterilizing and aborting the Black Race into extinction is just fine and dandy.
"History is racist and sexist and homophobic. Let's pretend nothing came before us so no one's feelings are hurt" - Millennials
sexist
racist
It's actually quite amusing, because Trump supporters are the ones who are always looking for ways to get offended and persecuted.
Bizarro-world stuff right there.
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His songs include "Camptown Races," ''My Old Kentucky Home," ''Beautiful Dreamer" and "Old Folks at Home" (Swanee Song).
He died penniless in New York City in 1864 at age 37
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna869321?__twitter_impression=true
The Statue is being removed because it features a Black Person playing a banjo at Foster's feet.