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Quigley says

indc says

Regarding your comment "uppity indians of higer caste". Dont be a dick. It is not higher caste, its higher class

This is the fundamental cultural divide between Americans and Indians. The Indian immigrants I’ve known have been universally obsessed with status and class, and their pursuit of such is annoying as fuck to native born Americans. They’re unabashedly interested in self promotion, self aggrandizement, and selfish agendas. They have to make sure everyone knows of their accomplishments and anyone who is famous they have some connection to or just pestered into doing a selfie with at a concert or speaking engagement.

To Americans this is LOW CLASS behavior.

To Indians, this is them trying to assert that they are high class. And in this, they fail.

That is true. There are the universally acceptable values, but things are changing there (very) slowly. Cast is not used as much like before but play a roll in India still. Quality education will change the society and break the barriers which is still missing in India. They need to privatize edu with right regulation to meet the quality. Educated mass can make a better society other wise you can expect the same old crap.

alpo says

Patrick says

Strategist says

Buddhism treats them better.

Quite a lot of low-caste Indians did became Buddhist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Buddhism_in_India#Dalit_Buddhist_movement

Around a 1000 years back, by the time Hinduism started re-assimialting back Buddhism (Hinduism's own reform movement) back into its fold, islamic invasions started. Hinduism didn't have time to re-assimilate Buddhism and Islam was this new aggressive kid on the block which ate up all the Buddhists. This is what changed history. All the regions of South/Central Asia that are Islamic today where mainly Buddhists in pre-islamic times. Iran was Zorastrian. Compared to this Dalit Buddhist movement won't even appear a...

>Offcourse I am talking only strictly "philosphical" view of conversions in Hinduism. Culturally and practically, Hinduism considers "conversion" as an attack.
The real problem is, in the game of democracy, the politicians put one against the other to maximize his/her outcome at expense of the others pain, it creates a mini war zone. India experiencing massive sound pollution that few times a day, every day, they pray through loud spears what a tragedy for every few hours. The converter get free sex all over, including with minors.
In some places as part of conversion, one is obligated to offer first of what ever you have. Like animal born, if you are farmer, first egg from chicken etc, to the church father, in some cases to my disbelief, I heard first time sex with a virgin (I suspect mostly minor) girl to make marriage ready. The mother of all frauds, the religion is real estate play, the "God" appears magically at prime or near prime locations. Generally it happens if the lot is (near) empty or gov. owned. No one will dare to ask a question, its easy occupation, no taxes and gov. provides endowment funds.
Religion is full of crap, not sure when will this world realize that there is no f. God. Its all about extracting $$$$ from others.

Rin says

Islam

True. Islam already got EU, it can spread into the last hope USA. This should be prohibited in every aspect.

Strategist says

Rin says

Strategist says

No religion, country, ideology, organization, opinion, politician, celebrity, or God will be spared.

Wrong, we need allies in this fight against Muslims. As an American, I don't care for a man's faith provided that he's against the proliferation of Islam.

Islam, socialism, and politicians are the most attacked and slaughtered here. It's a lot of fun.

>It's a lot of fun.
Not really, its a serious matter, Islam can destroy this country in few generations. I don't see any political will that will safeguard this country from the raise of Islam.

alpo says

Strategist says

They are not at all perfect, but the religion and culture that lags progress from all others, that is the most dangerous, is Islam. It's a serious problem that must be solved, and our greatest barrier to solving those problems are the liberals who won't even recognize the problem.

But why would you care whether your neighbor is gay or whether a group of people thousands of miles away are following a primitive non-progressive religion? As long as your gay neighbors don't bother you and you don't bother them and as long as your "advanced" culture doesn't bother their "lagging behind" culture and vise versa, what's the problem?

Personally I think that the fundamental philosophy of major Abhramic religions (Christianity and Islam) which says that their religion is the only true way to god and hence the rest must be converted is old and archaic thinking. Thats why I said earli...

As an atheist I am tolerant of gays. I am not tolerant of human rights abuse and the violence against us all that Islam practices, and neither should any one else. In an age of WMD, we need to take proactive steps to control this dangerous Islamic beast.

Strategist says

As an atheist I am tolerant of gays. I am not tolerant of human rights abuse and the violence against us all that Islam practices, and neither should any one else. In an age of WMD, we need to take proactive steps to control this dangerous Islamic beast.

"Tolerant", can you use that term to your wife. Say I am tolerating you and see her response. Gays are not your subjects that you are "tolerating them". There is a new term "mutual respect" try to understand and use it. Respect them as humans.

indc says

Strategist says

As an atheist I am tolerant of gays. I am not tolerant of human rights abuse and the violence against us all that Islam practices, and neither should any one else. In an age of WMD, we need to take proactive steps to control this dangerous Islamic beast.

"Tolerant", can you use that term to your wife. Say I am tolerating you and see her response. Gays are not your subjects that you are "tolerating them". There is a new term "mutual respect" try to understand and use it. Respect them as humans.

I do.

indc says

"Tolerant", can you use that term to your wife. Say I am tolerating you and see her response. Gays are not your subjects that you are "tolerating them". There is a new term "mutual respect" try to understand and use it. Respect them as humans.

Tolerance means that you can believe what you want, but you don't act with prejudice towards people who live differently than you. It's perfectly fine the way it is.

If you've married your wife, you more than tolerate her. Strangers acting in ways you think is stupid/harmful is something else.

I'll never respect a Wahabi, but I'll tolerate their presence if they behave themselves. Any government that demands I "respect" them loses my respect- and compliance.

indc says

"Tolerant", can you use that term to your wife. Say I am tolerating you and see her response. Gays are not your subjects that you are "tolerating them". There is a new term "mutual respect" try to understand and use it. Respect them as humans.

Those who practice the caste system, need not tell others how humans should be treated.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

indc says

"Tolerant", can you use that term to your wife. Say I am tolerating you and see her response. Gays are not your subjects that you are "tolerating them". There is a new term "mutual respect" try to understand and use it. Respect them as humans.

Tolerance means that you can believe what you want, but you don't act with prejudice towards people who live differently than you. It's perfectly fine the way it is.

If you've married your wife, you more than tolerate her. Strangers acting in ways you think is stupid/harmful is something else.

I'll never respect a Wahabi, but I'll tolerate their presence if they behave themselves. Any government that demands I "respect" them loses my respect- and compliance.

I would not even tolerate a wahabi. What I was pointing out was one should "respect" others if they "respect" you back. Tolerating someone means you still feel superior to them.

Strategist says

indc says

"Tolerant", can you use that term to your wife. Say I am tolerating you and see her response. Gays are not your subjects that you are "tolerating them". There is a new term "mutual respect" try to understand and use it. Respect them as humans.

Those who practice the caste system, need not tell others how humans should be treated.

Do you even understand what you type? "practice caste system" what do you mean by that?

indc says

I would not even tolerate a wahabi. What I was pointing out was one should "respect" others if they "respect" you back. Tolerating someone means you still feel superior to them.

I disagree with your definition, but I'm pretty sure we're basically on the same page anyway.

indc says

Strategist says

As an atheist I am tolerant of gays. I am not tolerant of human rights abuse and the violence against us all that Islam practices, and neither should any one else. In an age of WMD, we need to take proactive steps to control this dangerous Islamic beast.

"Tolerant", can you use that term to your wife. Say I am tolerating you and see her response. Gays are not your subjects that you are "tolerating them". There is a new term "mutual respect" try to understand and use it. Respect them as humans.

I respectfully disagree. This seems like a personal attack. I'd just focus on issue not the person. I know its a tricky.
"respect" - it has to be earned. Some cultures are more productive than others. If respect is not earned, look for ways to improve one bit at a time.
In my case, I was told to "respect" all elders just like all Asian cultures. Over the period I learned in a hard way, at least some elders don't deserve ANY respect at all after few interactions. If I visit India, I have to pretend (for cultural reason) that I "respect" elders. So blanket statements like "mutual respect" should comes with ''if' 'but' etc. in reality, since there is no such thing exists. It exists ONLY in a case both are equally good or bad or else pretend.

theoakman says

scarce




indc says

Let me give you an example so that you will understand those so called "upper caste hindus" you are talking about.

Lets say there are 40 people in line and the vendor says there are only 30 items he can sell. This keep happening everyday for 20 days and the rich guy is 35th person everyday, What will the "rich white asshole" do on 21st day?

It is not the culture that turns people into line cutting assholes. Its the scarcity of things that causes people to behave like that. After white men left them destitute it will take some generations to get back their humanity and surpluses. The second generation does not behave like this because they dont know what is living with limited resources does to their psyche.

I appreciate the analysis, but I'm not convinced. IMO, It has nothing to do with scarcity. Their cart is full and they are already in posse...

In my observation, scarcity is affects all but its the insecurity builtin with the "some people" and the "environment that support them". Over the period of time this stuff is built-in in their DNA and loose the common sense. Now they visit countries like US, still the mind is still in the same state because they lost the common sense that they can afford back then and its harder than anyone can think of to regain.
Few months ago, I was stopped by a (Chinese looking) woman, in costco checkout. She couldn't understand English and refuse to step aside from the spot in line reserved for some one still shopping. This is quite familiar to me, finally the daughter(or -in-law) came back the explaining her (just a guess based on the body language) to step aside as their guy still not finished shopping. Some of them are nice, but as I mentioned the "environment" is the reason to have failed logic, not the "scarcity". I have seen poor and very honest people in India that they are quite happy with what they have by living within their means.

indc says

I too dont like to use the term "white" it is too generic, but India was looted not just by british, It was also looted by dutch, french and portugese. What term do you suggest I use?

@indc I thought about it a little, and the correct thing is to look at the flag of the group that did it. That is what they use to explicitly identify themselves. OK, you've got several flags to blame, frequently Muslim groups that invaded India too.

India was not occupied in the name of "white people". It was occupied in the name of the British Empire, with soldiers flying that particular flag.

And to this day, hoisting that flag in an Irish neighborhood can start a deadly fight in Belfast.

Going back to the OP. More on the slave owning bitch:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/middleeast/kuwait-philippines-domestic-workers-intl/index.html
Kuwaiti social media personality loses sponsors after rant about maids

Strategist says

As an atheist I am tolerant of gays. I am not tolerant of human rights abuse and the violence against us all that Islam practices, and neither should any one else. In an age of WMD, we need to take proactive steps to control this dangerous Islamic beast.

Are you sure you are not confusing between Muslims and Middle East or between Arabs and Muslims? Only a small number of Muslims live in Middle East and only a small number of Muslims are Arab. Most muslims in this world live in South and South-east Asia. As an example, consider that Indonesia has around 200 million muslims. Malasia with much smaller population has majority 60% muslim population with more religious diversity than US. Both these countries are doing fairly well. Then there are around 200 million muslims more in India - again fairly moderate population with Muslim film actors and billionaires (who got rich by starting their own companies from ground up, but not Oil) among them.

As far as middle east is concerned, the entire middle east is an Abharamic religious hell hole with all sorts of competing Jewish, Islamic, and Christian interests tied together in a knot with Oil, conflicting international security guarantees, religious fanaticism, propaganda, and funding for fanatic sects (such as Wahabi Islam). Why only blame the Muslims here, they are just one piece of the puzzle along with Christian and Jews as far as middle east mess is concerned.

I do agree with you though that WMD and terrorism are a problem. But these need to be controlled in any case irrespective of whose hands they might be in. You may trust Donald Trump with control of Nukes, I don't. I would also agree that Islamic faith should be doing a better job of making friends. But besides that a Muslim in Malaysia has very little to do with an Arab in Saudi Arabia.

alpo says

Strategist says

As an atheist I am tolerant of gays. I am not tolerant of human rights abuse and the violence against us all that Islam practices, and neither should any one else. In an age of WMD, we need to take proactive steps to control this dangerous Islamic beast.

Are you sure you are not confusing between Muslims and Middle East or between Arabs and Muslims? Only a small number of Muslims live in Middle East and only a small number of Muslims are Arab. Most muslims in this world live in South and South-east Asia. As an example, consider that Indonesia has around 200 million muslims. Malasia with much smaller population has majority 60% muslim population with more religious diversity than US. Both these countries are doing fairly well. Then there are around 200 million muslims more in India - again fairly moderate population with Muslim film actors and billionaires (who got rich by starting...

You are right. There are Muslims, and there are Muslims. The most dangerous are Arab Muslims, along with Afghanistan and Pakistan. I'm still skeptical of other Muslims in Asia, because this suicide bomber disease can be easily spread.

Patrick says

If they run away and go back to their country, who will refund me?

WTF is going on with this business transaction?

CBOEtrader says

Patrick says

If they run away and go back to their country, who will refund me?

WTF is going on with this business transaction?

If you paid good money for a slave, would you want them to escape?

Strategist says

If you paid good money for a slave, would you want them to escape?

I am literally asking how the business transaction works. I mean, if you pay someone up front for service over the next few months, is it possible this quote isnt what we think it is? I suppose I am looking at the world through our liberal western perspective in that I cant imagine someone literally buying another human and publicly saying the above in response.

Strategist says

If you paid good money for a slave, would you want them to escape?

You just can't find good affordable slaves these days. It's terrible. Whatever happened to the good old days when there were lots of slaves available at affordable prices with low interest rates, who were decent enough to remain slaves, and did not whine when they were chained. Whatever happened to those wonderful prosperous days? What happens when everyone stops making payments on their slaves?
It's Trump. He is taking this country to hell. It's about to implode. Just wait and see.

alpo says

Why only blame the Muslims here, they are just one piece of the puzzle along with Christian and Jews as far as middle east mess is concerned.

Well, to be honest, only the Muslims are deliberately murdering random people in the name of their religion. That could be a factor.

alpo says

Strategist says

As an atheist I am tolerant of gays. I am not tolerant of human rights abuse and the violence against us all that Islam practices, and neither should any one else. In an age of WMD, we need to take proactive steps to control this dangerous Islamic beast.

Are you sure you are not confusing between Muslims and Middle East or between Arabs and Muslims? Only a small number of Muslims live in Middle East and only a small number of Muslims are Arab. Most muslims in this world live in South and South-east Asia. As an example, consider that Indonesia has around 200 million muslims. Malasia with much smaller population has majority 60% muslim population with more religious diversity than US. Both these countries are doing fairly well. Then there are around 200 million muslims more in India - again fairly moderate population with Muslim film actors and billionaires (who got rich by starting...

>Then there are around 200 million muslims more in India - again fairly moderate population with Muslim film actors and billionaires (who got rich by starting their own companies from ground up, but not Oil) among them.

"Moderate" because still large number of non-Muslims left around and supporting their parasite Muslim welfare bills.

Bollywood is a organized crime syndicate, run by Islamic thugs behind.
That Islamic gay man made money through money laundering for his masters, that is his real talent not "acting".
Club member kids ONLY allowed to become "artist" in Bollywood.
No one with right mind will ever watch any Bollywood f....d up s..t Because there is no f.g talent period.

>As far as middle east is concerned, the entire middle east is an Abharamic religious hell hole
Christians make up only 4% of the region’s inhabitants (https://www.timesofisrael.com/christians-make-up-less-than-1-of-middle-east/)
Statistical speaking they are zero. Hope you refer this "religious hell hole" is all about Muslims!

>Why only blame the Muslims here, they are just one piece of the puzzle along with Christian and Jews
If you can help us answer, how many bombers blow up so far by religion. Perhaps this can give answer.

>You may trust Donald Trump with control of Nukes, I don't.
You mean all day long gay porn watching Islamic mullah is the other best choice to make the right decisions with a button in hand.
(All Muslim Pakistan is the number one gay porn watching country in the world - not sure it is a coincident or truly following their gay god) There is nothing wrong being a gay though, no offense.

>I don't. I would also agree that Islamic faith should be doing a better job of making friends.
Sure they do make friends if they need to fight with non middle east country, otherwise, they get back to fight with neighbors, that is normal there historically.

>But besides that a Muslim in Malaysia has very little to do with an Arab in Saudi Arabia.
I lived in both Malaysia and gulf, in my observation, Singapore is the checkmate for Malaysia (they hate them openly and there are many laws targeting explicitly Islamic man. West should learn and implement the same for their survival), also they still have the old pre-Islamic traditional values integrated in the society that make them less violent for now.

CBOEtrader says

Patrick says

If they run away and go back to their country, who will refund me?

WTF is going on with this business transaction?

I have a feeling, there is sex involved often as part of domestic work. These poor women are exploited all over. The middle east culture is really a f. s..t. When the worker arrive the "master" f.r take passport for many types of workers. I was on a business trip and ended up stopping by, because of my co-worker need to see someone in dumps. One of the guy showed us dozens of passports except photo part, that can be placed with a little difficulty. They sad, in fact some times authorities encourage to have yours in case if they need to deport, they have to spend some money and time. If you have yours with you and plane ticket, you can fly. Depends on the situation/gender/time/place/employer/time of the day/year one can fly out with out an issue. Btw, all passports were free for friends whoever needs one. That looks scary back then.

rando says

Well, to be honest, only the Muslims are deliberately murdering random people in the name of their religion. That could be a factor.

Blue says

If you can help us answer, how many bombers blow up so far by religion. Perhaps this can give answer.

You are four times likely to die in an airplane crash, by heat wave, or a police shooting then by a Muslim killing you in the name of religion (https://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrorism-disease-accidents-2017-1). This offcourse ignores any domestic incidences of mass shootings and gun violence. Violence in the name of religion is bad, but again there is nothing to point out that Muslims are any more violent than Christians or Jews and I can throw as many numbers as you can :-).


Blue says

You mean all day long gay porn watching Islamic mullah is the other best choice to make the right decisions with a button in hand.

No, but I don't think Donald Trump is any better at watching over nukes than gay porn watching Islamic mullah.

alpo says

rando says

Well, to be honest, only the Muslims are deliberately murdering random people in the name of their religion. That could be a factor.

Blue says

If you can help us answer, how many bombers blow up so far by religion. Perhaps this can give answer.

You are four times likely to die in an airplane crash, by heat wave, or a police shooting then by a Muslim killing you in the name of religion (https://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrorism-disease-accidents-2017-1). This offcourse ignores any domestic incidences of mass shootings and gun violence. Violence in the name of religion is bad, but again there is nothing to point out that Muslims are any more violent than Christians or Jews.

Blue says

You mean ...

You may be disappointed to realize that - Honorable Mr. Donald Trump is the best president that this country ever saw and the world is damn lucky to have him around.

Blue says

You may be disappointed to realize that - Honorable Mr. Donald Trump is the best president that this country ever saw and the world is damn lucky to have him around.

OK, if you say so, but he doesn't do anything. I didn't vote last elections (the choices just weren't good enough to bother voting), but all the hyperbole that Trump spewed about Infrastructure spending, I was hoping that at the very least he would fix traffic on Highway 101, but the Idot is more busy rabble rousing on twitter than doing anything worthwhile.

Strategist says

Whatever happened to the good old days when there were lots of slaves available at affordable prices with low interest rates,

If you have to finance them you shouldn't have slaves.

alpo says

Violence in the name of religion is bad, but again there is nothing to point out that Muslims are any more violent than Christians or Jews and I can throw as many numbers as you can :-).

How many Christian or Jew suicide bombers can you point out?

Onvacation says

Strategist says

Whatever happened to the good old days when there were lots of slaves available at affordable prices with low interest rates,

If you have to finance them you shouldn't have slaves.

WTF. If we had price controls on slaves, we wouldn't have to finance them. I can't even afford to rent one.

alpo says

was hoping that at the very least he would fix traffic on Highway 101,

If Trump tried (for some inexplicable reason) to fix a state highway (which isn’t the Federal government’s responsibility), the Democrats who control the state would raise hell and block his efforts with legal challenges.

Keep that in mind when you consider what he has and hasn’t been able to accomplish. He’s fighting upriver to get anything done.

Strategist says

How many Christian or Jew suicide bombers can you point out?

I think the real question is why would you need a human guided bomb when you have a precision guided missile that can go well beyond what any human guided bomb can do :-)

alpo says

Strategist says

How many Christian or Jew suicide bombers can you point out?

I think the real question is why would you need a human guided bomb when you have a precision guided missile that can go well beyond what any human guided bomb can do :-)

alpo says

I can throw as many numbers as you can :-).

ROFL. So far you have thrown out Zero.

Next question to Alpo:
How many people have Christians and Jews killed for apostasy this century?

Another question for Alpo:
How many religions are Christians and Jews in active conflict with?

Whichever way you cherry pick the numbers, the facts are that Christian and Jews aren't any less voilent than Muslims. They have their terrorists and suicide bombers and you have your Tomohawk Cruise and stealth fighters. You think its ok to fire of hundreds of missiles and carpet bomb an area to create "peace and freedom" and they think its ok to send terrorists, suicide bombers, and fund radical sects across the world to "create the next caliphate". But if you are somehow claiming that Christian and Jewish world is more "advanced and peaceful" than the Muslim world, I find that very difficult to believe given the large scale use of violence on both sides that continues to bring down the general environment across the planet.

alpo says

Whichever way you cherry pick the numbers, the facts are that Christian and Jews aren't any less voilent than Muslims. They have their terrorists and suicide bombers and you have your Tomohawk Cruise and stealth fighters. You think its ok to fire of hundreds of missiles and carpet bomb an area to create "peace and freedom" and they think its ok to send terrorists, suicide bombers, and fund radical sects across the world to "create the next caliphate". But if you are somehow claiming that Christian and Jewish world is more "advanced and peaceful" than the Muslim world, I find that very difficult to believe given the large scale use of violence on both sides that continues to bring down the general environment across the planet.

alpo says

Violence in the name of religion is bad, but again there is nothing to point out that Muslims are any more violent than Christians or Jews and I can throw as many numbers as you can :-).

I rest my case.