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Heraclitusstudent says

Fyi: most of the countries you mention do have private drug companies. You seem to be confusing drug research and medical care.

As for wait times: you do have to cherry pick the countries with the worst systems.
In spite of that I don't hear Canadians are dying on the curb, the mouth opened.

You don't think pharmaceutical innovation is part of health care? Hmm.

As for "people dying on the streets", that is a nice fairy tale to rile up the left base, but it doesn't help make a point.

The US healthcare system has been exceedingly great for me, I can see specialist within 1-3 days most of the time. I once saw an ENT doctor within an hour of my call. How exactly has the US Healthcare system failed me?

Heraclitusstudent says

Bernie Sander was sabotaged by his own Democratic party, remember?

Populism exists on the left and on the right. It doesn't mean he has the support.

You have to follow the plot.

Yes populism does exists on both sides, but the right was able to blow up their establishment, and elected Trump.

What has the left done? They're going to replace their establishment with people like Sanders and Cortez, which is arguably worse.

Goran_K says

You don't think pharmaceutical innovation is part of health care? Hmm.

I'm saying you can have a single payer and private drug companies. It is typically the case in most industrialized nations.

Goran_K says

The US healthcare system has been exceedingly great for me

That's nice. I wonder how the average family of 4 with $50K income is doing when some health crisis shows up.
And I wonder how you'll fare at 70 when you need full time care and how long will your nest egg will last.

Anecdotic evidence doesn't prove the point.

Goran_K says

Yes populism does exists on both sides, but the right was able to blow up their establishment, and elected Trump.

What has the left done?

So far it shows a rich demagogue beats an old angry congress guy. Doesn't say much about the left or right.

Goran_K says

What does medicare for all (aka Universal Health Care, aka single payer) mean? It means exactly what it says.

You realize the US is the only first world country without extensive government health care. About 30% of US people do have government insurance too. You're not only sharing the world with socialists, including the US's closest allies, but 30% of the way there yourself.

It seems, going back to the original post, that no deal has been struck. There's some verbal agreements, but the real deal making is still on going. We'll have to wait to see the full details.

"A working group of senior advisers will meet to facilitate trade and lower barriers. The two sides pledged to refrain from new trade restrictions during those negotiations."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44961560

HowdyThere says

You realize the US is the only first world country without extensive government health care.

Medicare, Medicaid and the VA are government healthcare. How many people are covered in those systems now?