Oligarch Techs Collude Against Infowars
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2018 Aug 6, 11:36am 26,294 views 210 comments
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bob2356
2018 Sep 10, 1:44pm
dr6B says
It's an opinion not a statement of legal principle so I don't know how it can be wrong. At this point the US is a lot more crony capitalism than free market.
dr6B says
Railroads were far from a monopoly as a result of a free market. Their monopoly originated not as a result of efficient investment strategies, but rather from special privileges afforded by the government.. Railroads had the ability to condemn land to build their routes. They got millions and millions of acres of land grants from the government that they sold. They got subsidies of loans, bonds and other financial aid from federal, state and local governments. They were involved in large amounts of corruption involving l government. Railroads should have been regulated from the beginning like phone and cable were since they were essence a government sponsored monopoly.
bob2356 saysOnly if a monopoly is the result of illegal actions does the government have a standing to break it up in a free market.
False, I believe.
It's an opinion not a statement of legal principle so I don't know how it can be wrong. At this point the US is a lot more crony capitalism than free market.
dr6B says
The earliest regulatory measures were not as focused on competition, however. The goal was to protect the consumer. For example, the Grangers (19th Century farmers) felt that they were being oppressed by unfair practices of the railroads. There was great social unrest in this population because of the practices of large corporations. To avoid revolt and turmoil, the state government passed the Granger Laws. This group of legislation was essentially an attempt to appease the troubled farmers. It was not until the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th that regulation made the turn toward preserving competition.
Railroads were far from a monopoly as a result of a free market. Their monopoly originated not as a result of efficient investment strategies, but rather from special privileges afforded by the government.. Railroads had the ability to condemn land to build their routes. They got millions and millions of acres of land grants from the government that they sold. They got subsidies of loans, bonds and other financial aid from federal, state and local governments. They were involved in large amounts of corruption involving l government. Railroads should have been regulated from the beginning like phone and cable were since they were essence a government sponsored monopoly.
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Bd6r
2018 Sep 10, 1:52pm
Bd6r
2018 Sep 10, 1:52pm
bob2356 says
They broke up also Standard Oil, which is perhaps closer to current situation with tech.
https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/may-15-1911-supreme-court-orders-standard-oil-to-be-broken-up/
bob2356 says
True, rich people are the worst welfare bums (C) Ron Paul. From so-called "defense" to NFL where rich owners avoid paying local taxes with medical industry in between.
Railroads were far from a monopoly as a result of a free market. Their monopoly originated not as a result of efficient investment strategies, but rather from special privileges afforded by the government.
They broke up also Standard Oil, which is perhaps closer to current situation with tech.
https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/may-15-1911-supreme-court-orders-standard-oil-to-be-broken-up/
bob2356 says
At this point the US is a lot more crony capitalism than free market.
True, rich people are the worst welfare bums (C) Ron Paul. From so-called "defense" to NFL where rich owners avoid paying local taxes with medical industry in between.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 10, 3:27pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 10, 3:27pm
bob2356 says
Bzzzt. Wrong. A free market requires competition. Breaking up monopolies is a core job of the federal government. Monopoly busting is essential to a free market.
Like monopoly busting to ensure a free market. A free market would include being innovative and competitive enough to become a monopoly.
Bzzzt. Wrong. A free market requires competition. Breaking up monopolies is a core job of the federal government. Monopoly busting is essential to a free market.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 10, 3:30pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 10, 3:30pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Trump has alluded many times to an internet bill of rights. It is desperately needed if we want to keep ourselves from devolving into nazi germany.
That's why the "Create an Alternative" is BS.
Trump has alluded many times to an internet bill of rights. It is desperately needed if we want to keep ourselves from devolving into nazi germany.
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Patrick
2023 Dec 1, 9:17am
Are they really still banned from Twitter? This reflects badly on Elon.
Patrick
2023 Dec 1, 9:17am
Are they really still banned from Twitter? This reflects badly on Elon.
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Now Youtube has eliminated Infowars.
Love seeing Liberals who are like "Always let dissident voices be heard" making the "It's a business, so..." argument. That doesn't mean they're wrong.
But I do enjoy the same people who bitch about "Net Neutrality" claiming that ISPs can censor or at least speed or delay speech that they like or dislike, defend content platforms censoring speech (and not in a transparent, objective way).
Note that Louis Farrakhan still up. I personally checked for Infowars Newstream and it's been banned for "Violating Community Standards". However, Young Turks is still up.