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seems that Saudi royalty ass will be sore from so much kissing.

Nobody but nobody can kiss dictators, despots and maniacs asses like the current Prez. He truly is setting a bar that will be near impossible to clear in brown nosing the most despicable rulers in the world. Makes me proud to be a merican. #winning

rdm says

Nobody but nobody can kiss dictators, despots and maniacs asses like the current Prez. He truly is setting a bar that will be near impossible to clear in brown nosing the most despicable rulers in the world. Makes me proud to be a merican. #winning

Trump threatens and kisses them at the same time. Obama kissed and pleaded with them at the same time.
Obama's strategy was a failure. Trumps strategy is making successful inroads.
Why support a losing strategy?

Amazing, the Press has loved Saudi Arabia, seldom criticized it no matter how many witches and gays they hanged, but the moment the ruler starts letting women drive and allowing them to attend sporting events and distancing himself from Political Islam, the press is mad - because somebody (maybe him, maybe not) killed a friend of Osama bin Laden and a Muslim Brotherhood member.

It's almost as if the Deep State and their favorite Newspaper want to protect the Muslim Brotherhood. Kind of like how they all loved the Muslim Brotherhood as "reformers" in Egypt a few years ago under Obomber.

Boy, Erdogan sure redeemed himself in the eyes of Journalists fast. How many presses did he shut down and journalists imprison over the past few years? Not to mention all those that "disappeared" permanently.

rdm says

Nobody but nobody can kiss dictators, despots and maniacs asses like the current Prez. He truly is setting a bar that will be near impossible to clear in brown nosing the most despicable rulers in the world. Makes me proud to be a merican. #winning

Funny, I remember it was the Democrats telling me the USSR was gonna be around a long time and we had to get along and ignore some of their flaws --- in 1988.

That the Sandinistas were good people who needed to suspend democracy to advance the cause of the PEE-PLE!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-bernie-sanders-thought-castro-and-the-sandinistas-could-teach-america-a-lesson

And that we didn't need to topple Saddam, who gassed thousands of Kurds among many other atrocities.

Now these same people are mad at Trump because maybe the Ruler of Saudi Arabia chopped up an Islamist and Trump is talking with a nuclear armed dictator.

Weird! It's almost as if Democratic policies are incomprehensibly incoherent and seemingly dependent on domestic policy.

Seems to me every time Trump makes inroads with the exiled countries that America and the EU always thumbed their noses at.
They do really great, but then for no apparent reason they go and kill someone. And if that don't work the first time they go and kill another.


Hillary showed us how international men of mystery are taken out. A Liberal somewhere wants them out of the Way. Like Sidney Blumenthal then someone like Hillary rubber stamps it. Had they murdered Kadaffi under Trump they would have framed one of Trump's newest peace brokerage recipients for it.

The Globalist like the Liberals have a very shallow book they play from.

The Left has been killing people to start wars going back to WWI it was how the Great War and WWII was started.
Carter destabilized Iran and gave us that Dumpster fire.

Nothing but lies all of it. Kim, Putin nor Prince Saud have any reason to kill people on foreign soil when they are getting everything politically they have wanted for over 40 years.

Tenpoundbass says

Had they murdered Kadaffi under Trump they would have framed one of Trump's newest peace brokerage recipients for it.

Yeah, funny how Ghaddafyi was grovelling at our feet, paid for all his terror, did everything we asked of him.

And then Hillary-Obama had him executed in the most cruel fashion.

"We Came We Saw He Died" she bragged

www.youtube.com/embed/FmIRYvJQeHM

The Media was heaping praise on Obama and Hillary for getting rid of him. Seven 7 years later and the country is still in a civil war with Islamists after getting rid of the Big Cheese.

Yet MbS kills this radical Islamist propagandist and all of a sudden it's "Horrific Death! Must resign!"

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Tenpoundbass says

Had they murdered Kadaffi under Trump they would have framed one of Trump's newest peace brokerage recipients for it.

Yeah, funny how Ghaddafyi was grovelling at our feet, paid for all his terror, did everything we asked of him.

And then Hillary-Obama had him executed in the most cruel fashion.

The strategy always was to bring democracy to the Islamic world. Very foolish strategy, as no Muslim country is ready for democracy. Given a chance, they end up voting to replace democracy with Islam, leading to Islamic radicals taking control. It happens every time, putting us back to square one.
The only strategy that can work is to control them with our puppets, until they are ready for democracy. We don't want to rule them, we don't want to steal their oil, we just want them to be a civilized democracy.

Strategist says

The strategy always was to bring democracy to the Islamic world. Very foolish strategy, as no Muslim country is ready for democracy. Given a chance, they end up voting to replace democracy with Islam, leading to Islamic radicals taking control. It happens every time, putting us back to square one.

You got it. Here is a great piece that has a run down on what Khashoggi stood for - something like a Sunni Version of the Iranian Government.

Khashoggi the “reformer”

Jamal Khashoggi was never a reformer in the sense that he wanted to advance individual rights and overall freedoms in the Middle East. In fact, all of the evidence points to the reality that he was a regressive thinker and a dedicated Islamist who wanted to move Saudi Arabia to a more cleric-led society.

As an early ally to al Qaeda founders Osama Bin Laden and Abdullah Azzam, Khashoggi has been an Islamist for decades. While he may have disagreed with his old friend Bin Laden about how to impose an Islamic state on the world, the two shared the same endgame.

While Bin Laden preferred a much more aggressive strategy, Khashoggi appeared to be a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood model of governance advanced by groups like Hamas and the short-lived Muslim Brotherhood regime in Egypt.

Both Hamas and the Morsi regime in Egypt were elected through the democratic process. Yet almost immediately after seizing power, the Brotherhood-aligned groups sought to impose extra-constitutional measures that would tighten their grip on power and ensure that there would never be another election.

Khashoggi’s “democracy” project is nothing more than a facade that would allow for the empowerment of Islamist actors. For the Muslim Brotherhood and its allies, history shows us that their first victorious election campaign quickly becomes the last election.

Khashoggi the “man of peace”

Today’s Middle East reform movements are largely backed by individuals and leaders who have rejected calls for perpetual Islamist warfare. Those in the U.S.-allied reformer camp — such as Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El Sisi, and UAE Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed — have preferred to focus on bolstering patriotism, combatting Islamism, pursuing secularization and modernization, and encouraging foreign and domestic entrepreneurism and investments.

The “soft-spoken” Khashoggi, on the other hand, has sought to drag the Islamic world into endless conflict.

And as is typical for many Islamists, Jamal Khashoggi had a serious bloodlust when it came to violence against the state of Israel. He expressed these violent aims in a 2014 piece for the Muslim Brotherhood-tied Middle East Monitor, in which he wrote that he hoped one day Islamic nations would join the U.S.-designated terrorist group Hamas in its campaign to destroy Israel. In another piece he wrote that year, Khashoggi shamed Arab states for not supporting the jihadi terror group.

More:
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-jamal-khashoggi-affair/

Throw Khashoggi down the well.

Strategist says

The strategy always was to bring democracy to the Islamic world. Very foolish strategy,

All of their strategies ended in dismal failure, Trump's success rate has been damn near 100%, so Trump get's 100% of the Trust. Globalists get Squat, Zilch they don't get Jack Shit when it comes to Trust. The EU as a whole is suspect for every Murder the Kim tied murders, the Putin tied Murders and now the house of Saud murders.

Trumptards only knows how to circle-jerk.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Amazing, the Press has loved Saudi Arabia, seldom criticized it no matter how many witches and gays they hanged, but the moment the ruler starts letting women drive and allowing them to attend sporting events and distancing himself from Political Islam, the press is mad - because somebody (maybe him, maybe not) killed a friend of Osama bin Laden and a Muslim Brotherhood member.

lol-- let's be clear here. The leader of Saudi Arabia tortured and murdered a journalist that was spreading the truth about his regime.

That's what happened. MBS didn't like someone piercing the narrative of "reform" in Saudi Arabia so he had him executed. period.

tatupu70 says

lol-- let's be clear here. The leader of Saudi Arabia tortured and murdered a journalist that was spreading the truth about his regime.

That's what happened. MBS didn't like someone piercing the narrative of "reform" in Saudi Arabia so he had him executed. period.

That is normal in Saudi and other Islamic countries. No freedom of speech. Lots of innocent people have had their heads chopped off for daring to exercise freedom of speech. Why all the fuss, now?

Strategist says

Why all the fuss, now?

There should always be fuss if a supposed ally murders a journalist.

tatupu70 says

lol-- let's be clear here. The leader of Saudi Arabia tortured and murdered a journalist that was spreading the truth about his regime.

Khashoggi was a propagandist who worked for the Middle East Monitor, a Muslim Brotherhood affiliated publication. He was belatedly given a job at the WaPo last year, probably on the world of Muslim-Brotherhood=democracy types in the "Intel Community".

Do you deny Khashoggi's connections to the Muslim Brotherhood and OBL?

tatupu70 says

There should always be fuss if a supposed ally murders a journalist.

Did Turkey get suspended from NATO when Erdogan imprisoned scores of journalists and shut down dozens of media outlets? 6 of them got life in prison, by the way, just a few months ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/world/europe/turkey-journalists-prison-terrorism.html

What punishment do you think Erdogan deserves for his war on the Free Press in Turkey?

No country on Earth jails more journalists than Turkey.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-06-28/turkey-jails-more-journalists-any-other-nation-those-detention-are-all-terrorists
https://cpj.org/reports/2017/12/journalists-prison-jail-record-number-turkey-china-egypt.php

tatupu70 says

Strategist says

Why all the fuss, now?

There should always be fuss if a supposed ally murders a journalist.

No fuss if a 16 year old girl elopes and gets stoned to death? Is a journalist a superior human being?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

If Trump had his way, he'd have the KSA royal guard and the Secret Service take out the entire staff of the Washington Post and sell video tapes of the event.

If I was Trump, I would order the Saudis to attack Iran now. We need some excitement and entertainment.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-16/pat-buchanan-asks-should-us-saudi-alliance-be-saved

Trump said he was “immediately” sending Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to Riyadh to meet with the king on the crisis. The confrontation is escalating. Crown Prince Mohammed and King Salman have both now put their nation’s honor and credibility on the line.

Both are saying that what the Turks claim they can prove — Khashoggi was tortured and murdered in the consulate, cut up, and his body parts flown to Saudi Arabia — is a lie.

For Trump and the U.S., this appears a classic case of the claims of international morality clashing with the claims of national interest.

The archetype occurred in the mid-1870s when Ottoman Turks perpetrated a slaughter of Bulgarian Christians under their rule.

Former Prime Minister William Gladstone set Britain ablaze with a pamphlet titled, “The Bulgarian Horrors and the Question of the East,” calling for the expulsion of the Turks from Europe.

Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli and Queen Victoria were apoplectic. For they were relying on the Turks to block the encroachment of Czarist Russia into the Eastern Balkans and down to the Turkish Straits.

Disraeli prevailed. The Brits put morality on the shelf.

For the U.S., morality and interests collided when FDR recognized the Bolshevik regime of Joseph Stalin in 1933, even as Stalin’s agents were starving to death millions of Ukrainian peasants and landowners. ...

During World War II, when the Germans uncovered in the Katyn Forest a vast gravesite containing the remains of thousands from Poland’s officer corps, dating to Stalin’s occupation, Poles in Britain came to Prime Minister Churchill to ask for an investigation.

Churchill, for whom Stalin was by now an indispensable ally, replied dismissively: “There is no use prowling round the three-year-old graves of Smolensk.”

My prediction: absolutely nothing will happen. The Saudis can murder whomever they like, including thousands of Americans on 9/11, because our government has no integrity when it comes to that much money.

Patrick says

My prediction: absolutely nothing will happen. The Saudis can murder whomever they like, including thousands of Americans on 9/11, because our government has no integrity when it comes to that much money.

That was Khashoggi's wing of Saudi Arabia, not the MbS wing that is taking over.

In fairness, as a 0.1%er of Saudi Arabia, Khashoggi knew too much. I'm sure part of this is MbS wanting to keep the deeds of certain people secret - not necessarily his allies - for the security of the Kingdom. There's a theory that Osama wanted to frame Saudi Arabia hoping the US would invade, and then the "Muslim Brotherhood Democracy Reformers" - Morsi types - would be appointed as replacements.

A major target of Jihadis/MB is the Monarchy of Saudi Arabia, to replace it with an Iranian Style Shari'a "Democracy" of Clerics.

I think MbS has seen the blowback from their old policy of "Export the Wahabis as a safety valve, have them attack elsewhere" and has decided to go after the disease and not treat the symptoms.

Aphroman says

Yup Trump is indistinguishable from President Bush, again

When Saudi Arabia killed those gays and witches a few years ago, what kind of sanctions did Obama impose?

Islam, Saudi Arabia, Mid East, is getting too confusing. I'm sticking with my proposal. Just control these fucking barbarians until they get civilized.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

When Saudi Arabia killed those gays and witches a few years ago, what kind of sanctions did Obama impose?

Lots of sanctions: Zip, Zero, and Nada. And Zilch, too.

Saudi Crown Prince: "I don't know how this happened. I just loved him to pieces."

Ceffer says

Saudi Crown Prince: "I don't know how this happened. I just loved him to pieces."

Ha ha ha. I love it. This dude is the perfect puppet for us. MBS and Trump have a lot in common. They both lie, cheat, break laws, fuck whores, but get done what needs to be done.

It's time we realized nice guys like Obama only make us and the world worse off, because all the bad guys know the Obama types will do nothing.
The assholes like Trump, who kick butt are the ones feared by the bad guys.
Example:
North Korea. They just laughed at Obama and continued with their nukes. Trump comes in and puts a gun on their head, and they pee in their pants.
Pakistan. When Obama had disputes with them, they stopped transporting American supplies to Afghanistan. Obama finally caved in. When Trump comes in, he stops all aid to them, threatens them, and they pee in their pants. They now beg for cooperation, and dare not stop supplies to Afghanistan.
We need more Trumps, not Obamas.

Aphroman says

Strategist says

It's time we realized nice guys like Obama only make us and the world worse off, because all the bad guys know the Obama types will do nothing.
The assholes like Trump, who kick butt are the ones feared by the bad guys.
Example:
North Korea. They just laughed at Obama and continued with their nukes. Trump comes in and puts a gun on their head, and they pee in their pants.
Pakistan. When Obama had disputes with them, they stopped transporting American supplies to Afghanistan. Obama finally caved in. When Trump comes in, he stops all aid to them, threatens them, and they pee in their pants. They now beg for cooperation, and dare not stop supplies to Afghanistan.
We need more Trumps, not Obamas.

I shitted on Obama since day 1. You were the one on Your knees kissing his feet for eight years. Don’t be so bitter

I supported McCain in 2008. I supported Obama in 2012 and changed my mind after 2 years. I apologized to the world for supporting Obama for 2 years.
I like Obama as a person. I don't like Trump as a person. However, who I like and don't like is irrelevant for the job at hand. Trump is the perfect choice for todays world.
"It takes fire to fight fire" and Trump is on fire.

Aphroman says

Kiss muh gold plated converse, Sucka. Alaweed bin Talal owns your ass and so do I.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Aphroman says

Kiss muh gold plated converse, Sucka. Alaweed bin Talal owns your ass and so do I.

Both pics are disgusting. No US president should bow for anyone, not the Queen, not ever. This also goes for W when he held hands while walking with the Saudi monarch. The US president is light years above any world leader both in power and prestige. Even then, we do not require anyone to bow to our leader either.

I don't wonder why the Saudis killed one of their own, in the greater scheme of things there are bigger fish to fry.

Of course, this will be blamed on Trump somehow for attempting better relations with the Saudis.

I wish all our cars ran on natural gas and we would not need a drop of Saudi oil.

The real danger to the USA is coming up from the south through Mexico right this minute.

I would never bow to receive jewelry from anyone, no matter what. I would not bow to 1. Emperor of Japan 2. Saudi Kings 3. Chinese dictators 4. Queen and King of England

I would not let someone hug/kiss me if he were a man, and I would not go prancing around holding hands with a guy even if he were a Saudi king and this were customary for him.

When a guy starts to get close to me and wants to hug me, I push him "bump off!"

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

When Saudi Arabia killed those gays and witches a few years ago, what kind of sanctions did Obama impose?

None, just like Trump. Indistinguishable as indicated.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Khashoggi was a propagandist who worked for the Middle East Monitor, a Muslim Brotherhood affiliated publication. He was belatedly given a job at the WaPo last year, probably on the world of Muslim-Brotherhood=democracy types in the "Intel Community".

Do you deny Khashoggi's connections to the Muslim Brotherhood and OBL?

I have no idea, and neither do you because there was no trial, no evidence presented. Instead, the leader of a supposed US ally murdered a journalist because he wrote unflattering articles and dared speak the truth.

LastMan says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

When Saudi Arabia killed those gays and witches a few years ago, what kind of sanctions did Obama impose?

None, just like Trump. Indistinguishable as indicated.

Pussy Obama imposing sanctions on bad bad bad people? He had a better way.....Beg. Did not work, but it was still a better way.

tatupu70 says

I have no idea, and neither do you because there was no trial, no evidence presented. Instead, the leader of a supposed US ally murdered a journalist because he wrote unflattering articles and dared speak the truth.

Okay, so how do we blame it all on Trump?

Strategist says

Pussy Obama imposing sanctions on bad bad bad people? He had a better way.....Beg. Did not work, but it was still a better way.

Once again, how is this distinguishable from Trump?

Strategist says

Okay, so how do we blame it all on Trump?

No the question is how to we rationalize it so Trump gets no blame.

Yeah and they've got audio recording of it too. Who records murders? It's a play out of the Bolshevik play book of Commie Bastards starting wars to get their way Vol. III

You're just going to have to go tell them their old Commie Shit don't work on Americans anymore. We're all stocked up on Crazy.

Tenpoundbass says

Yeah and they've got audio recording of it too. Who records murders? It's a play out of the Bolshevik play book of Commie Bastards starting wars to get their way Vol. III

The Saudis didn't record it-Turkey did.

tatupu70 says

Instead, the leader of a supposed US ally murdered a journalist because he wrote unflattering articles and dared speak the truth.

Really curious, what was the "truth" Kashoggi was writing about the current Saudi rulers?

Everything I have read suggests Kashoggi was part of the old Islamist Wahabbi guard and he was pissed that MBS is trying to reform the country to a more moderate Islam and have closer ties to Israel.

socal2 says

Really curious, what was the "truth" Kashoggi was writing about the current Saudi rulers?

Sure--this is a good place to start:

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/656682211/why-saudi-arabias-government-felt-threatened-by-journalist-jamal-khashoggi