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marcus says

Your insistence on this after we've looked at it before is the ultimate example of the pathological dishonesty required to be a TRump Cuck. No better than Trump himself.

Marcus, the Golden Child said the jobs were never coming back. We've seen almost half a million of them come roaring back in just 21 months.

You did not address the huge role that Trump's Regulatory Rollback played in bringing jobs back, as well as reciprocal and putative tariffs on dishonest trade partners.

The fact is that almost 3 years into the Trump Presidency, the job growth and economic growth has been vastly superior to that of the Obama Administration.

Had 2009 and beyond been an ordinary recovery, the job gains and the growth should back been front loaded, not end loaded. That is, the biggest gains and growth should have been seen around 2011-2013, not in 2017-2019.

NASA! SCIENTISTS! SATELLITE! DATA!

6 degree DROPS! IN TEMPS! SOOT THE POLES NOW!

marcus says

You prove Obama to probably be correct. He didn't say it would never increase again. He said it wasn't coming back. Bama is a wonk, so he understands all to well that automation destroyed more American manufacturing jobs than exporting manufacturing jobs did.

Obama said they were NEVER coming back, Marcus. That's not "They might come back for a while, then go away again".

Obama is not a wonk, he was a goddamned Community Organizer and probably somebody's Operative.

NoCoupForYou says

goddamned Community Organizer

And a toady of Saul-Patron Saint of Losers-Alinsky

marcus says

Want to absolutely guarantee more Trump voters?

That will do it.

marcus says

Now you want me to be your bitch and just accept it ?

Woah, where did that come from.

Just saying that you won't convert anyone to your point of view by insulting them.

How about getting back to the business of representing the working class rather than representing only tech billionaires and gays?

marcus says

I agree. But Trump has in my view been more anti working class than any democrat would have been.

You don't know a single person in the working class do you, much less talk to them?

You can say Obama lies too("you can keep your doctor"), but it's nothing like the same.

No, he led us into the Syrian and Libyan wars. You don't know, because you don't fight these wars and don't know anybody that does.

marcus says

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I mostly associate with working class people. And I consider myself working class.

Really? What do you do?

One of my friends painted cabinets. He had to compete against illegal immigrants for the same job. He dropped out of high school in 11th grade. He had to take money under the table because that's how illegal immigrants get paid and his boss couldn't otherwise hire him.

He was very fearful that if he was caught, he was going to go to jail for tax evasion. The illegals they just disappear.

That's the situation for working class. You have NO FUCKING IDEA about this group.

marcus says

Do you ever get tired of these fictions?

Go to Flint Michigan and talk to some people there. The vast majority of people are apolitical. They have no faith in the system.

marcus says

Patrick says

How about getting back to the business of representing the working class rather than representing only tech billionaires and gays?

I agree. But Trump has in my view been more anti working class than any democrat would have been.

Reality disagrees. Working class doing much better with trump, not even close

marcus says

But I know you buy Trumps con, and resell it here on a regular basis.

Which con? Be specific.

Ambiguous memes cant be debated. pure emotion void of facts seems to be what you are going for.

marcus says

I find the idea that science will never be able to make inferences form data, or that conclusions will always be based on someones agenda, not only ridiculously cynical, it's also just outright stupid.

Their models are wrong too!

marcus says

"One time in 1971 a scientist was wrong. Therefore they are always wrong. "

. . . . dimbulb Trump Cuck

Getting personal!

It wasn't one scientist, either.

Columbia U, Brown U, NASA Earth Science Directors, the Earth Sciences Administration (pre-EPA), etc. etc. were all wrong quacks.

EVERYBODY knows We've always been at war with EastAsia The Climate was always Warming for 150 years.

marcus says

When the economy is good, that's when you bring annual deficits down !

Good luck with that - did not happen in St. Obama last years, and will not happen with tRUMP as well. We are likely in a recession again and i wonder how much more capacity for debt accumulation we have now.
Last time we saw some decrease of US Debt was during Slick Willie's time.

marcus says

I mostly associate with working class people. And I consider myself working class.

No overpaid California teacher can be working class.

marcus says

When the economy is good, that's when you bring annual deficits down !

I was disappointed to see us deficit spend so much at this stage. I don't claim to really understand economics at the nation or world scale, but the "run the cards up to stimulate during a recession, pay the cards off afterwards" seems reasonable to me.

I can think of 2 supporting reasons for the tax cuts / reform:
1) tax reform will help keep companies in the usa, where we benefit more from them opposed to more proliferation of offshore usa-company-but-not-really-usa-company. I don't know if the tax breaks we give corps will in return provide a net gain for the country after all factors are considered. it seems very complicated to calculate. I do know that many companies have moved to china to save on costs, and so anything we do will affect that invisible cost line that every corp considers every year when deciding if they should relocate.

2) its our spinach for the china trade war:
"winning" this trade war could have huge implications. I'm not sure how good of a result we will get from a new deal w/ them, but considering how tough China is playing, I'm guessing they know how high the stakes are here too. The stakes are very big. Hell, IP theft alone is worth so much money. A win here could be worth taking on a lot of debt in the interim.

A trade war probably has many of the same negative components as a recession. If Trump did the tax reform and deficit spending to give us some redbull to help weather the fight w/ China, then I think that's some pretty pro strategy.

6rdB says

Last time we saw some decrease of US Debt was during Slick Willie's time.

Haha, look at the national debt year over year, and tell me what year it was that the US Debt ACTUALLY saw a decrease. Here, I can help:

http://www.polidiotic.com/by-the-numbers/us-national-debt-by-year/

You want to look for a "-" symbol in the 3rd column.

Funny how politicians lie, even when it seems to help "the other side", isn't it? Politicians will lie to your face, even when it's TRIVIAL to check their claims. They think nobody ever looks anything up, and for the most part - they're entirely correct.

Straight up WORD!

marcus says

I'll look it up, but I'd bet $1000 right now that that's bull shit about Bushs cousin the CIA agent.

Here let me help you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham


Stanley Armour Dunham, Ann Dunham, Maya Soetoro and Barack Obama, mid-1970s (l to r)

Tenpoundbass says

I was thinking that investigating Biden's influence peddling was just the start. Trouble is, it seems too many politicians on both sides see selling influence as a perk of the job to make up for what they think is a too low salary. My opinion is that if the salary is too low, just do one or two terms and return to private business.

I wish Trump's daughter and son in law were in Ukraine on some companies board.

www.youtube.com/embed/4p8Aq5BM9io

marcus says

Benghazi was not an impeachment "Hearing", just like the above is not a meme but a tweet.

No impeachment process has ever begun without the House voting. Not Clinton, Not Andrew Johnson.

Nadler, when the Republicans were thinking about Clinton's impeachment, demanded and received a vote on a resolution to begin the process.

Pelosi is refusing one, because Dems are hypocrites.

The Democrats are in "Unprecedented" Territory.

Pelosi is trying to squat on the john to satisfy the Squad and Base, without actually taking a shit as precedence requires.

If it's not an official committee created by House Resolution, there is no burden to comply.

marcus says

Keep believing that.

The Whistleblower was fed a barium meal. Trump is pushing the hand of Congress to begin impeachment now, and not next year.

He is going to continually hammer home that Congress isn't really impeaching until they pass a resolution, which is exactly what Pelosi doesn't want her dumb base of Liberal Arts majors to realize.