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By marcus follow marcus   2019 Feb 17, 4:30pm 70,513 views   8,012 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    





This is distinct from the TRump humor thread. If you're a triggered right winger, that wants to vent the best "libs are evil" crap you can come up with, this is the place. Not the TRump cartoon and Meme thread.

Although feel free to post memes very specific to Trump about how awesome he is, in the Trump cartoon and meme thread.

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7973   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 4:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
So you're saying that Trump was right to suggest that the Ukraine look into Biden's flagrant corruption?


If Trump had asked them to look in to it, passing information on to our justice department for a legitimate (AND HONEST) investigation that spearheaded domestically, sure.

1) But asking for an announcement of an investigation (not necessarily even doing the investigation per se), with a "I would like you to do us a favor though" implication tied to a 9 figure aid package being on the line. It's basically as close to just paying someone to say something that you want them to say imaginable.

2) I said if he's guilty of something. But when hundreds of million of dollars are on the line, it's a very strange way to go about it.

WE know how Trump lies constantly. What do you think Trump was more interested in. Finding out if Biden was guitly of doing something corrupt ? Or bringing question into people's mind that he is being investigated for doing something corrupt.

I'm guessing you have no interest in reading the side of the story that says those Biden conspiracy theories are bs.
7974   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 26, 4:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I'm guessing you have no interest in reading the side of the story that says those Biden conspiracy theories are bs.


Are this story backed by facts and/or evidence? If so, share.
7975   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 4:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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Speaking of which, I'm interested in knowing exactly the extent of the corruption in this whole request Trump made pf Zelensky.

Why do you suppose the republican senators don't want to see that evidence ?
7976   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 26, 5:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
extent of the corruption in this whole request
to what are you referring? The corruption that Trump wants Ukraine to investigate?

We are all interested in seeing the extent of the aid kickbacks and bribes.

If witnesses are allowed in the senate, you will perhaps hear more about this. Rudi G is also supposedly doing a podcast this week about his "findings". Obvi rudi will be telling one side of the story
7977   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Jan 26, 5:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

If Trump had asked them to look in to it, passing information on to our justice department for a legitimate (AND HONEST) investigation that spearheaded domestically, sure.

1) But asking for an announcement of an investigation (not necessarily even doing the investigation per se), with a "I would like you to do us a favor though" implication tied to a 9 figure aid package being on the line. It's basically as close to just paying someone to say something that you want them to say imaginable.

2) I said if he's guilty of something. But when hundreds of million of dollars are on the line, it's a very strange way to go about it.

I'm guessing you have no interest in reading the side of the story that says those Biden conspiracy theories are bs.


There was nothing in the call transcript, or offered in any proof that the episode went down as you frame it.
If Biden committed those crimes, then he's a Criminal Scumbag, foremost and upmost, and all other monikers are not even considered. He's neither the ex-President nor candidate in the upcoming election.
More over the Primaries hadn't even been decided yet, not even the first debate, when Trump made this call. It's sickening Liberals are like little silly kids. "Shot Gun I called IT!" only to get to the ride and Trump is already in the front fucking seat and goddamn driver. And it pisses Liberals off. Fuck Joe Biden he's a suspect and that sorry cock sucker Obama is also a suspect in Sedition and intentionally trying to hoist a coup against the American people and our constitution. Trump interrupted them.
7978   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 26, 5:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
1) But asking for an announcement of an investigation (not necessarily even doing the investigation per se), with a "I would like you to do us a favor though" implication tied to a 9 figure aid package being on the line. It's basically as close to just paying someone to say something that you want them to say imaginable.


Except, we know that A) us refers to the USA and B) Zelinsky had no idea aid was being reviewed and C) The aid was approved before the Leakerblower's "facts" were revealed by Schiff.

Also, we already know that Schiff held back exculpatory information, which was the purpose of the closed door, no media hearings. This has been a modus operandi for democratic operatives over the past few years, like at the FISA Courts.
7979   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 26, 5:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sadly, what we have now is a Democratic Party that is even further into the corporate globalist agenda to destroy the working class and all national borders than the Republican Party is.

It's terribly ironic, since it used to be only the Republicans who were seeking to drive down wages for the poor through any means available, to increase profits for stockholders.

Now it's the Democrats who are even more under the control of big money, masked by the diversionary "diversity" and racism agendas which deliberately divide us along identity lines. Democrats have been very effectively co-opted and corrupted by globalist money.

So ordinary working people have absolutely no representation in the US government aside from Trump, who is in effect a party of his own.
7980   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 5:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
So ordinary working people have absolutely no representation in the US government aside from Trump, who is in effect a party of his own


That's an interesting prism you see things through.

I don't disagree about the democrats being as much in corporate pocket as republicans. But neither is consciously trying to hold wages down. Sure, corporations do what they can to maximize profits. I would not put being for pro illegal immigration policies high on this list of ways they plan on doing this. Someone has to be a special kind of stupid to think it is.

But yes, democrats tend to be more compassionate about refugees from gang ridden countries in central America. It's takes an especially strange perspective to think this is a conspiracy to keep pay down.

The truth is that there was a MASSIVE build up in the southern border security in the Obama years. The only reason Obama didn't brag about it, is that people more sensitive to the issue tend to be more politically liberal. And it's not like it made political sense to go for the red neck vote by bragging about how much he built up border security. Besides they were going to still hate him anyway.

Along comes Trump and his delusional followers that are better than any Americans ever at believing whatever nonsensical bullshit they choose. It wouldn't matter how many times I posted the stats about Federal expenditures per year on border security and the decreased numbers of illegal immigrants coming in in the years 2012 - 2016, hater gonna hate and liars are gonna lie out their asses.

CONSTANTLY !!
7981   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 26, 6:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just replace "Rapist" with "Trump"
7983   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 7:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
Just replace "Rapist" with "Trump"


It's pretty hard to imagine a rapists defense attorney getting away with a strategy to deny evidence from being brought forth in a trial, or for that matter a judge allowing it.
7985   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 7:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Due process w no evidence = case thrown out. That is what the senate should do now


I see your habit with your product is on the increase. There is sufficient evidence. Much more evidence, that can either confirm or refute the evidence they have already presented.

But for some strange reason, rather than consider that, they are going to make the ridiculously transparent argument that there wasn't enough evidence coming in to the trial stage, therefore somehow the country shouldn't want to know just how guilty or innocent Trump is of the charges against him - when the evidence is available if we did want to know with greater certainty one way or the other.

You can't make this shit up !
7986   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 26, 8:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
There is sufficient evidence.


I notice you cant actually provide or even specifically refer to any evidence...cause there is none.

What you call evidence is hearsay combined w mindreading = absolutely nothing, as confirmed in the house proceedings when they admitted it was all presumption.

There is no evidence.
7987   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 9:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
There is no evidence.


Trump didn't just say "do us a favor." It is known that Guliani met with Zelensky on Trumps behalf asking for a public statement of investigations of Biden. In addition to documents that verify this, there is a witness (Sondland) to that fact. Another witness also overheard Sondland saying that Trump only cared about getting that announcement from Zelensky.

There's much more, such as Willianm Taylor saying that SOndland told him that the release of the aid was conditional on the announcement of investigations.

Let's not forget Mulvaney confirming the quid pro quo.

Then of course there's the whole obstruction of congress. You say executive privilege, apparently we suddenly have a monarchy ? But for one thing that's nonsense, but also in the house hearing his defenders never made that claim (executive privilege) , becasue then they would have had to show that Trump had followed the procedures for that, which he didn't.

It's certainly at least sufficient evidence to warrant permitting further evidence to be considered. That is, if the purpose of the Senate trial is to find out if Trump is guilty of what he is accused of.

Apparently, the purpose of the Senate trial in some peoples view is to find an angle for NOT finding an answer to that question.
7990   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 26, 9:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
It is known that Guliani met with Zelensky on Trumps behalf asking for a public statement of investigations of Biden. In addition to documents that verify this, there is a witness (Sondland) to that fact. Another witness also overheard Sondland saying that Trump only cared about getting that announcement from Zelensky.


Anonymous hear say is evidence to you? Amazing.

Tell us, accusations of things that arent crimes mean what exactly?

You have no evidence, you have a narrative built on hear say and mind reading. The real kicker is you arent even accusing trump of a crime, just ambiguous "asking for a public statement". Um... who cares? Before a few weeks ago noone even knew who this guy was... and ukraine has already arrested, investigated, and charged individuals for US election manipulation. This big announcement already happened.

What about the evidence this weekend that directly thrashes your narrative? You dont care about actual facts that contradict your tapestry of lies used to build the Schiff narrative.
7991   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 9:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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Same empty assertions. You obviously have no knowledge of the facts in this case. You just want to argue mindlessly.

Actual text messages and the time line can be found here. All the rest of the details of this case are widely available to anyone that wants them. It's not a CNN/NYT conspiracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/04/us/politics/ukraine-text-messages-volker.html

You aren't objective - so I'm pretty much done here. This isn't going to be resolved here, and I only argue with people that are capable of arguing in good faith.

CBOEtrader says
It is known that Guliani met with Zelensky on Trumps behalf asking for a public statement of investigations of Biden.


Not hearsay

CBOEtrader says
What about the evidence this weekend that directly thrashes your narrative? You dont care about actual facts that contradict your tapestry of lies used to build the Schiff narrative.


Boltons written confirmation of what Trump did ?
7995   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 26, 10:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
It's pretty hard to imagine a rapists defense attorney getting away with a strategy to deny evidence from being brought forth in a trial, or for that matter a judge allowing it.


What's this damning evidence?

Mind reading and conjecture by Obama Appointees?
7997   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 26, 10:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What deed that is a high crime or misdemeanor IS Donald Trump being accused of?

7998   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 26, 11:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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Abuse of power and obstruction of congress. Exactly the kind behavior impeachment is meant to be for.
7999   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 5:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
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Abuse of power and obstruction of congress. Exactly the kind behavior impeachment is meant to be for.

So it's not the Russians?
8000   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 6:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
It's not a CNN/NYT conspiracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/04/us/politics/ukraine-text-messages-volker.html


Hand picked texts from people who are neither Trump nor presidential Z, to paint a narrative that isnt there? Lolz, sure its not a CNN/NYT conspiracy. There is literally nothing here, but you've been told to see something by your masters, so you do.

Please show us exact what messages you think are damning and we can discuss.

marcus says
You aren't objective - so I'm pretty much done here.


I've been totally objective, asking for facts and evidence. Schiff cant provide anything but hear say and fake narratives. You are parroting his nonsense, but cant seem to see it. Let's at least be clear who isn't objective.

marcus says
CBOEtrader says
What about the evidence this weekend that directly thrashes your narrative? You dont care about actual facts that contradict your tapestry of lies used to build the Schiff narrative.


Boltons written confirmation of what Trump did ?


Lol, as if we needed more proof that you are full of confirmation bias. You would see evidence of trump guilt in your morning dump. No, this is the actual evidence you are ignoring:

8001   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 6:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
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Abuse of power and obstruction of congress. Exactly the kind behavior impeachment is meant to be for.


Both thrashed as nonsense to anyone who paid attention on saturday.
8002   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 6:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
there is a witness (Sondland) to that fact.
marcus says
such as Willianm Taylor saying that SOndland told him that the release of the aid was conditional on the announcement of investigations.


https://www.cbsnews.com/video/gop-congressman-slams-sondland-over-presumption/

Sondland admitted everything he testified to was personal "presumption".

You probably dont care about that, or about the fact that Sondland was cherry picked to share his presumptions specifically for his unique and biased perspective.

You also don't care that Trump was checking up on every country for corruption and effectiveness of the aid for the american people. This has been Trump's thing since the beginning with every country he interacts, and its exactly what a president should be doing.

Trump SHOULD make sure Ukraine cooperates with our investigations into corruption. Trump SHOULD make sure the american people are getting a fair shake with aid $$. Trump SHOULD find out what happened in Ukraine regarding our 2016 elections!

You are seeing orange man bad. Meanwhile, actually unbiased voters see a POTUS doing what he should be doing. Results? Trump is more popular every day, despite 98% negative MSM fakenews from the establishment.

Be part of the old establishment if you like Marcus. By definition that makes you a conservative corporatist cheerleader. I'm for the people.
8003   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 27, 6:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Both thrashed as nonsense to anyone who paid attention on saturday.



Hahahaha. So you only listened to the republicans arguments.
8004   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 6:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
CBOEtrader says
Both thrashed as nonsense to anyone who paid attention on saturday.



Hahahaha. So you only listened to the republicans arguments.


no. you only listened to adam schiff though, a proven liar. actual lies, not like "burgers stacked to the moon" fake lies.

you are making shit up because you cant admit you are wrong and deeply biased. ad hom = you lose.
8005   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 27, 6:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Funny.

CBOEtrader says
you only listened to adam schiff though, a proven liar. actual lies, not like "burgers stacked to the moon" fake lies.

you are making shit up because you cant admit you are wrong and deeply biased. ad hom = you lose.


Right. so the democrats have nothing but "made up facts." I'm the one that won't consider the other side.

Can you show me the most objective summary you can find, that summarizes both sides of the argument ?

No, becasue your argument involves sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly saying "lalalalalalalalalalalalal I CAN"T HEAR YOU, YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE. YOU DON:T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT WE SHOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER EVIDENCE THAT YOU CLAIM EXISTS AND THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBPOENAED"

CBOE: "Democrats claim facts are still a thing!"
8008   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 7:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
the democrats have nothing but "made up facts."

There is hope!
8009   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 7:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Can you show me the most objective summary you can find


Lol, ok you show us how this is done.

Heres my objective summary:

Schiff is afflicted w TDS and most likely hiding corruption by his buddies, therefore orange man bad. Things that noone would've cared about any other POTUS is ora ge man bad w Trump. Considering the proven coup attempt that schiff was involved with, schiff cant allow investigations into Ukraine... therefore he is cooking up this newest orange man bad scheme w no actual evidence. (Please note you still have not provided any actual evidence, nor will you discuss any. Try to be better)

Summary of the defense: discussing corruption and value to "US" as the american taxpayer has been Trumps foreign aid focus, as it should be. It is agreed by everyone involved, D's and R's and foreign diplomats alike, that ukraine was a heavily corrupt place w many many many organizations and individuals worthy of investigation. The first and most relevant is wtf happened with our 2016 election?!

It is Trumps job to investigate and get to the bottom of this, but the D's dont want him to so they are calling foul to stop him. Easy.

Now you go.
8010   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 7:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
YOU DON:T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT WE SHOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER EVIDENCE THAT YOU CLAIM EXISTS AND THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBPOENAED"


You consistently use ambiguous words so that noone knows what you are saying. Try using proper nouns and perhaps actual descriptive terms, so maybe someone can follow your rambling all caps rants.
8011   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 27, 7:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Heres my objective summary:

Schiff is afflicted w TDS and most likely hiding corruption by his buddies, therefore orange man bad. Things that noone would've cared about any other POTUS is ora ge man bad w Trump. Considering the proven coup attempt that schiff was involved with, schiff cant allow investigations into Ukraine... therefore he is cooking up this newest orange man bad scheme w no actual evidence. (Please note you still have not provided any actual evidence, nor will you discuss any. Try to be better)


Actually I did, but your reaction is the same as your reaction to Trump constantly lying. Even now you say that Trump's lies are minor and silly little lies.

"Things nobody woud've cared about any other POTUS"

I don't believe any other POTUS would be so stupid and such a loose cannon as to to insist on a public statement being made about another country investigating a political rival, as a condition for release of $400 million in military aide.

That's what Trump is accused of, and that is what there is evidence of. Further evidence has been blocked and republicans don't want to see it.

Period.

That's my view of the democrat side.

As for the republican side ? Assertions that there is no evidence. But no ability to break it down one by one. Just assertion after assertion, that the impeachment was only an attempt to remove Trump that they democrats wanted all along.

Now that's some mind reading kind of projection right there. Yes you can find an individual that said that. So ?
8012   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 27, 9:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I don't believe any other POTUS would be so stupid and such a loose cannon as to to insist on a public statement being made about another country investigating a political rival, as a condition for release of $400 million in military aide.


He didn't. There is zero evidence of this.

marcus says
But no ability to break it down one by one.


Um... they did. Trumps legal team went into each 3rd party claim, showed actual perspective and reasons why those claims were just biased presumptions.

I've also asked you to show us the evidence, piece by piece but you cant. You offer links of gossiping text messages that are misinterpreted and used to stuff into your pre-existing narrative. It's called confirmation bias, and you got it bad.

I'm asking you to actually break down your facts one by one, and you cant. There is literally no actual evidence, just hear say and mind reading.

The only mind reading is happening from Schiff and those who buy into his mind reading narrative.

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