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marcus says

Patrick says

Never by the right. This is an objective fact.

What about issues such as abortion or immigration ?

@marcus I'm pretty sure it's never.

I have never heard of any speaker being shouted down and not allowed to speak by a conservative audience.

I have heard of seemingly hundreds of cases of the left shouting down conservatives, banning them, and even violently assaulting them.

jazz_music says

shouting them down calling them lefties.

Yes. And this is generally the absolute worst case scenario 99.9% of time. I guess having a business burned down or bricks thrown at you is better.

marcus says

Do you need me to produce videos ?

Please do. Id enjoy seeing what you think is equivalent to antifa's Berkeley incidents, or big social's digital book burning.

marcus says

Do you need me to produce videos ? "THERE WOULD BE DEATH PANELS !!!!!!! DON:T YOU DARE FUCKING TOUCH MY MEDICARE." They weren't allowed to speak in the slightest.

B.S.

I don't recall any speakers getting shouted off the stage or needing police security like we routinely see with Conservative speakers. I've seen City Council and School Board meetings that were more hostile than Grandma and Grandpa from the Tea-party protesting against Obamacare.

The Tea-party was a model in terms of PEACEFUL political engagement. Heck, the Tea-party would even clean up after their rallies not leaving DC covered in trash and shit like we see with every other protest movement.

marcus says

Do you need me to produce videos ? "THERE WOULD BE DEATH PANELS !!!!!!! DON:T YOU DARE FUCKING TOUCH MY MEDICARE." They weren't allowed to speak in the slightest.

marcus says

Lol, does your meme really have "willing to burn the country to the ground"?

Do you have any intellectual integrity? Wow, head meet sand

marcus says

The Republicans aren't out burning the country to the ground.

Jesus, the Democrats engage in projection, constantly - unendingly. Just the complete lack of self awareness and complete hypocrisy - it is dumbfounding.

The Democrats at this very moment are engaging in choosing a vice president that MUST be a "woman of color", competence has nothing to do with the choice, the leadership of both parties resists ending ANY war, they brought back slavery to Libya, they spent 3 years trying to impeach a man they didn't like merely because he wasn't an establishment whore. The intelligence agencies, department of justice, and democratic establishment fabricated evidence, repeatedly lied to the FISA courts, lied to the news media for 3 fucking years, and when that didn't work, started rioting and looting across several cities, are calling for the abolition of the police and are destroying historical monuments.

And you think the Republicans have the problem? How is it even possible to have this level of cognitive dissonance?

Meanwhile, a bunch of you call yourself "the Resistance" - you're the establishment. You've been the establishment for 28 horrible years. You are anything but the resistance. All you are is a bunch of Neocon/Neolibs - which is just a fancy smancy word for an outright fascist.

marcus says

Just becasue?

DILLIGAF says

Talk about liberal psychological projection.

marcus says

republicans made Donald Trump President

No they didn't. If it was up to the Republicans Hillary would be president. It was her turn.

marcus says

richwicks says

The intelligence agencies, department of justice, and democratic establishment fabricated evidence, repeatedly lied to the FISA courts, lied to the news media for 3 fucking years, and when that didn't work, started rioting and looting across several cities, are calling for the abolition of the police and are destroying historical monuments.

No ignorant or dishonest bias there. Sheesh, wtf. I'm vicariously embarrassed for you

Just becaSue?

Before Antifa arrived at her residence:

After Antifa visited her residence:

marcus says

richwicks says

MUST be a "woman of color", competence has nothing to do with the choice

It takes a right wingers to think if it's a woman of color it would be impossible to find someone anywhere close to competant enough.

It's a math problem!

Say you have 10 marbles. 5 of them are red, 3 are green, 2 are blue. They are randomly labelled 1-10 regardless of color.

If you only select from blue marbles, what's the chance you get the highest number out of all of them? What about if you select only green? What if you select only red?

What if you ignore color, and chose the largest number directly?

The democrats are now choosing based on color, instead of number. Selecting based on a color preference lowers the chances. In all cases when color discrimination is made, of selecting the highest number, it lowers the chances of selecting the highest number. This isn't even college level statistics - this is something you should have learned in grammar school.

How did the left become so ignorant of simple mathematics? If you discriminate based on color - AT ALL, in ALL CASES, the likelihood of choosing the largest number is decreased. Red is the most common so it gives you the BEST chance of choosing the highest number when you discriminate based on color but in all cases, discriminating based on color lowers the chance of picking the largest number.

Competence is no longer a factor for the democrats. Only color is and that is just blatant stupidity.

richwicks says

How did the left become so ignorant of simple mathematics?

And why do they think that choosing a woman of color to be president is not racist?

Onvacation says

richwicks says

How did the left become so ignorant of simple mathematics?

And why do they think that choosing a woman of color to be president is not racist?

I didn't say choosing a woman "of color" isn't racist.

Choosing a person based on a superficial attribute, regardless of the attribute is discriminatory when the attribute has nothing to do with the fitness for a function - which is normally in this case - competence. The type of discrimination is irrelevant.

I think I explained pretty clearly how discrimination works against fitness for a function 3 posts above. It's just democrats have returned to their racist, discriminatory, roots - and I cannot respect that at all.

richwicks says

Onvacation says

richwicks says

How did the left become so ignorant of simple mathematics?

And why do they think that choosing a woman of color to be president is not racist?

I didn't say choosing a woman "of color" isn't racist.

I didn't say you. I said they, the leftists.

marcus says

richwicks says

Competence is no longer a factor for the democrats. Only color is and that is just blatant stupidity.

Wow you actually said it again. "only color is"

Yes, and I will say it again.

There is no possible reason to chose a person based on a superficial attribute unless it's discriminatory.

The ONLY possible reason to chose from a field of people for a job, and limit it to a woman, a black person, an Asian, or a white heterosexual male is based on bigotry alone.

Exclusively that. Nothing else at all. Biden is a bigot. He may as well have said he will be only selecting from white, heterosexual, male, protestants to me. Jesus, I explained the math to you, I don't think it's even possible you don't understand it.

marcus says

richwicks says

Competence is no longer a factor for the democrats

Is beyond stupid.

Really?

So, a corrupt, overly friendly creepy old man, who apparently is senile, who is choosing his running mate based exclusively on gender and race is the most competent person in all the democratic party to run for president?

I think it's because he can easily be controlled and he's entirely incompetent.

marcus says

What's implied actually is that he believes there are some very competant women of color to choose from otherwise he wouldn't have said it.

No, what is implied is that the country is so freaking racist that that provided a minority is selected to run as VP, that alone will cause bigoted people to vote for Joe Biden.

You know, like if you didn't vote for Clinton, it was because you hated women. Not because you viewed her as as monster that brought back slavery to Libya and voted for the Iraq War over non existent weapons of mass destruction. That's how fucking superficial the democrats have become, and how little they respect their voting base.

marcus says

What's implied actually is that he believes there are some very competant women of color to choose from otherwise he wouldn't have said it. I'll grant you that it's political. And that I don't love it. But I don't know how someone can think it takes competence out of the decision.

Marcus. Every single white male, regardless of qualifications, was excluded from consideration for VP position exclusively because of his race/gender. I don't know how someone can think that this is not bigotry.

marcus says

richwicks says

brought back slavery to Libya and voted for the Iraq War over non existent weapons of mass destruction.

You forgot about her having the audacity to want to work on healthcare policy proposals when her husband was President.

You mean the thing she worked on with Richard Nixon?

I really don't care what she FAILED to do.

marcus says

All the republicans in congress voted for the Iraq war too. It probably means she bought the weapons of mass destruction talk.

Nearly all. They ought to be fired. Anybody that voted for the Iraq War is either grossly incompetent, or deeply immoral.

marcus says

richwicks says

that alone will cause bigoted people to vote for Joe Biden.

It is political yes. Although if it help bring out the vote from people that like seeing a woman on the ticket, or a black woman that's a far stretch from bigotry.

Yeah, they are appealing to bigots.

marcus says

But since you brought it up. In my opinion, with out race hatred among many on the right, Trump couldn't possibly have been elected.

Trump wsa elected because there isn't a penny's worth of difference between Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, John McCain, George W. Bush, John Kerry, Al Gore, William Clinton, Bob Dole, or George H. Bush.

And people are fucking fed up with the goddamned establishment which has done nothing but destroy this nation for 30 years. Kept us in war for 30 years. Sold the blue collar working class out to the Chinese for 30 years. Our establishment is utter garbage.

mostly reader says

Marcus. Every single white male, regardless of qualifications, was excluded from consideration for VP position exclusively because of his race/gender. I don't know how someone can think that this is not bigotry.

Marcus can't either - that won't prevent him from continuing to lie about it. Marcus is a fundamentally dishonest person.

marcus says

So all the years and decades that women were excluded from consideration, was that bigotry ?

YES.

It was.

Obviously.

marcus says

So all the years and decades that women were excluded from consideration, was that bigotry ? Or was it just trying to give the voters what they thought would be a winning candidate.

Shifting the blame from politicians to voters doesn't help your case. You are essentially calling current Dem voters bigots.

With which we may agree. Women may have been excluded in the past, but not quite in these clear terms. In the past (few decades), no major party candidate would get away with this. Bigotry was there, but it was never so strong as to allow a candidate say publicly and openly that he's picking a male candidate because of his gender. ANY major party would've been SLAUGHTERER right there one the spot, and likely by their own voters. You'd probably have to go back more than 50 years to find something remotely close to that.

Scroll forward to today. It IS happening, and voters CHEER. Bigotry is making a comeback.

richwicks says

spent 3 years trying to impeach a man they didn't like merely because he wasn't an establishment whore. The intelligence agencies, department of justice, and democratic establishment fabricated evidence, repeatedly lied to the FISA courts, lied to the news media for 3 fucking years, and when that didn't work, started rioting and looting across several cities, are calling for the abolition of the police and are destroying historical monuments.

After the attempted coup but before the looting and monument destroying, you left out a few things. Let me try:
After the coup didn't work, they tried impeachment based on no evidence crimes. When impeachment didn't work, it was management of COVID-19 for maximum economic fail (sick old folks must be returned to nursing homes to infect others). Now, it seems, we'll have looting, rioting, and desecration/destruction of historical monuments.

And now, they are trying to resurrect the "Russia" nonsense with the "bounties on soldiers."