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Thanks @CBOEtrader - I thought of creating this same thread but was too lazy to do it :)

1. Budget deficit - this is most important by far.
2. Agree also with FISA, although if there is any terror attack after reigning it in, it will be ORANGEMANBAD on epic scale. I think his hands are tied on that.
3. Agree with labeling SA as terrorist sponsors - I'd say that this needs to be preceded by massive expansion of nuclear power so SA can go and pound sand with their oil.
4. Agree with #4 also - I'd say though that this is more for States to deal with.
5. Something a lot of posters will disagree with - I dislike his tightening of abortion rules. It is understandable that there should be limitations, but what I heard is that they will not allow any organization who performs abortions to get any federal funding. I'd say that it is wrong as the same organizations also prescribe contraceptives, which decrease number of abortions.
6. We are still in Afghanistan. Get out and let it be a drain on China, Russia, and India, who are closer and will suffer from Islamic nutjobs more than we. Besides, fucking Russians broke it, let them fix it now.
7. WALL! I am fairly neutral in this respect, but building the WALL! requires trampling on property rights of thousands of Texans, who have owned that land for centuries. Some family farms there go back to middle 1700's, and now they will be kicked off from their ancestral lands? How well that will bode for Texans voting R in Federal elections? Prediction - it will be go fuck yourself ORANGEFUCKINGYANKEE attitude. Why not introduce E-verify and charge businesses $100K for any employment of illegals?

d6rB says

Prediction - it will be go fuck yourself ORANGEFUCKINGYANKEE attitude. Why not introduce E-verify and charge businesses $100K for any employment of illegals?

I disagree, I know several people who live within a few miles of the border on big ranches, they would love a wall. Tired of seeing dangerous looking gangs of young males tramping on their property, knocking down their cattle fencing, shitting in their water troughs, and dumping garbage - not to mention break ins of out buildings and occasionally the home itself. E-Verify and enforcement over hiring illegals is important, but a wall will also help control the flow of people and what E-Verify won't do, drugs.

I also believe E-Verify would Never be passed by the House and never funded if the President found a legal way to implement it via EOs or previous Authorizations/Bills. They would also defund and depreciate it the moment they had a chance even if they did pass it once. Walls, on the other hand, noticably degrade over time.

But I appreciate this argument.

d6rB says

7. WALL! I am fairly neutral in this respect, but building the WALL! requires trampling on property rights of thousands of Texans, who have owned that land for centuries. Some family farms there go back to middle 1700's, and now they will be kicked off from their ancestral lands? How well that will bode for Texans voting R in Federal elections? Prediction - it will be go fuck yourself ORANGEFUCKINGYANKEE attitude. Why not introduce E-verify and charge businesses $100K for any employment of illegals?

This is a far better argument against the wall than IT'S RACIST!!! This also perfectly illustrates the gaslighting effect of screaming RACIST at everyone.

For/against citizens align themselves on the wall issue based on perceived racism. This will always lead to impulsive "FU other side" type of support/resistance.

The ITS RACIST critique is designed to shut everyone's brain off.

MisterLearnToCode says

I disagree, I know several people who live within a few miles of the border on big ranches, they would love a wall.

I've seen this also, if they live 20 miles from border, they will love wall. If they live on border (e.i. their land will be eminent domained), then not.

A lot of ranchers in TX are wanting the wall now even if they are not properly compensated for their land. Fever ticks on cows roaming in from Mexico are coasting TX ranchers 1.5B a year now.

Agree with a lot that's been said especially the deficit and SA.

RafiMaas says

CBOEtrader says

after widespread FISA abuses against Trump

What is Trump doing to get rid of the Patriot Act?

Excellent question.

RafiMaas says

CBOEtrader says

1) when tf will Trump announce a plan to lower the debt or at least the deficit? Our finances are not ok.

Yup maybe a 4-5% tax cut for the top 1% wasn't such a great idea. Trickle down still doesn't work.

By your logic, 100% tax rate is reasonable because lowering to 90% would go largely to top income earners.

You may have a point hidden somewhere, but your CNN-esque framing of the question is deeply flawed. The top 1% pay almost 40% of income taxes, more than the entire bottom 90% of earners. There is no way of lowering taxes that doesnt notionally help the rich more than everyone else.

I would like to see a federal law passed that income taxes should never be higher than 25% of income. The appropriate max level should be debated and set into legal stone.

d6rB says

I dislike his tightening of abortion rules. It is understandable that there should be limitations, but what I heard is that they will not allow any organization who performs abortions to get any federal funding.

Now that Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking rings that existed for decades has been taken down under Trump. They need live young Children to hack up and place in a juicer for the ultra rich. That is why they want to abort full term babies.

Planned Parenthood is getting Billions supplying Stem Cells and Elite Elixirs for Science and the Wealthy, they don't need our money. The only reason they want Federal Funding, is because as long as the Federal Government is funding them. Then no one can pull the Plug.

Tenpoundbass says

That is why they want to abort full term babies.

To sell their organs? Homie, at least come w some earnings stats to make this claim. How much are they making selling baby part? Stem cells? Etc?

The Nazis used to kill post term babies if born deficient in some way. Given, they didn't consult the mother, but they did require something like 3 doctors to agree.

NY state currently allows any "provider" plus the mother to decide to kill perfectly healthy babies. Provider means any asshole who works at the abortion clinic, could be the 23 year old nurse.

CBOEtrader says

RafiMaas says

CBOEtrader says

after widespread FISA abuses against Trump

What is Trump doing to get rid of the Patriot Act?

Excellent question.

Agreed.

CBOEtrader says

To sell their organs?

Organs or hold in a dungeon and drain their Adrenalin gland for Elixir, or to use as human slaves.

RafiMaas says

Probably first left-wing meme which not only makes sense, but is also funny as hell (in a depressing way)

www.youtube.com/embed/TaHbuaED5TwTenpoundbass says

and drain their Adrenalin gland for Elixir

"Why should I fuck w children he said, they're too small."