10 atheist quotes that will make you question religion
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richwicks
2022 Jun 23, 7:20pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 23, 7:20pm
Blue says
Remember, things survive because it helps society to survive. Stop thinking of religion as a parasite, it's symbiotic.
The reason that Russia is pushing Orthodox Christianity today, is to strengthen the nation. They realize the utility of religion. China will eventually return to some sort of religious viewpoint in time, probably Confucianism or Buddhism.
I used to really hate religion, but as I age, I can see its tremendous utility in unity against both foreign and domestic forces. The current woke bullshit, could NOT have existed in 1980, and it's destructive to current society - it's extremely divisive, and although there's plenty of stupid, and I mean stupid assholes, in power today that think this works for them, they will be singing a different tune soon enough.
But it doesn't mean that we go back and support none existing junk and folks who are busy molesting women, children and loot using the tax code made for them self. On the other hand I have a sympathy and respect for the not too religious, hard working regular people who do not take advantage or go after others under the name of religion.
Remember, things survive because it helps society to survive. Stop thinking of religion as a parasite, it's symbiotic.
The reason that Russia is pushing Orthodox Christianity today, is to strengthen the nation. They realize the utility of religion. China will eventually return to some sort of religious viewpoint in time, probably Confucianism or Buddhism.
I used to really hate religion, but as I age, I can see its tremendous utility in unity against both foreign and domestic forces. The current woke bullshit, could NOT have existed in 1980, and it's destructive to current society - it's extremely divisive, and although there's plenty of stupid, and I mean stupid assholes, in power today that think this works for them, they will be singing a different tune soon enough.
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B.A.C.A.H.
2022 Jun 23, 7:28pm
B.A.C.A.H.
2022 Jun 23, 7:28pm
There is a difference between religion and faith.
Religion is institutions, practices and whatnot.
Faith is one's personal convictions.
Lots of overlap, but not the same thing.
Religion is institutions, practices and whatnot.
Faith is one's personal convictions.
Lots of overlap, but not the same thing.
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Robert Sproul
2022 Jun 23, 8:04pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
I am a lifelong atheist but I agree with this.
Jordan Peterson convinced me to be grateful to be living, so far, in a Judaeo-Christian culture.
The Democrats and the left are busy building a new religion around ideals where government replaces God.
I am a lifelong atheist but I agree with this.
Jordan Peterson convinced me to be grateful to be living, so far, in a Judaeo-Christian culture.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 23, 8:34pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 23, 8:34pm
I miss this type of conversation on Patnet where we can disagree, argue in an intellectual way, and not get unhappy that we disagree.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Jun 23, 8:37pm
you have to realize that many people follow religion not because they believe in god, but because it makes for better society. it takes wisdom to understand that.
how do you teach right from wrong to children, if there is no definition of wrong? fuck man, liberals don’t even know what a woman is. they have no wrong, society goes to shit like that.
how do you teach right from wrong to children, if there is no definition of wrong? fuck man, liberals don’t even know what a woman is. they have no wrong, society goes to shit like that.
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NuttBoxer
2022 Jun 23, 9:29pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Jun 23, 9:29pm
Actually, faith is belief in God based on knowledge gained from study, from spending time with Him. Growing up I always equated faith with blind trust, a common mistake for the majority of protestants. A wise Chinese teacher taught me otherwise.
Agree that unfortunately religion has come to symbolize the organization and institutions rather than the personal practice.
Agree that unfortunately religion has come to symbolize the organization and institutions rather than the personal practice.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 24, 1:24am
richwicks
2022 Jun 24, 1:24am
Robert Sproul says
Judaeo-Christian culture is a creation that was recently made in the last century. There was no such thing before WWII.
It's a remnant of the propaganda of WWII.
There's a segment of Jewish people, a SEGMENT, that views non Jewish people as just being animals, only worthy of being exploited. The United States might have many Americans that care about Israel, but there's desperately few Israelis that care about the United States. Israel, as a state, regards the United States as useful, and stupid. Any rebellion against this is denounced as antisemitism.
Remember, it's not "the Jews", it's "THOSE Jews". Every cultural and ethnic group develops a criminal syndicate, Zionism is just their criminal syndicate.
Jordan Peterson convinced me to be grateful to be living, so far, in a Judaeo-Christian culture.
Judaeo-Christian culture is a creation that was recently made in the last century. There was no such thing before WWII.
It's a remnant of the propaganda of WWII.
There's a segment of Jewish people, a SEGMENT, that views non Jewish people as just being animals, only worthy of being exploited. The United States might have many Americans that care about Israel, but there's desperately few Israelis that care about the United States. Israel, as a state, regards the United States as useful, and stupid. Any rebellion against this is denounced as antisemitism.
Remember, it's not "the Jews", it's "THOSE Jews". Every cultural and ethnic group develops a criminal syndicate, Zionism is just their criminal syndicate.
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clambo
2022 Jun 24, 11:42am
I have always questioned religion, actually I thought it was ridiculous since they started dragging me to church as a young child.
All religion is nonsense, submission to the absurd rules is repellent to me.
All religion is nonsense, submission to the absurd rules is repellent to me.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 24, 11:48am
AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 24, 11:48am
richwicks says
You can't have Christianity without the OT. That is the Marcionite heresy.
Jesus literally came to fulfill the OT law and prophecy. The NT ceaselessly refers to and paraphrased and outright quotes the Tanach, aka OT.
Filling the gas tank isn't replacing the gas tank.
Judaeo-Christian culture is a creation that was recently made in the last century. There was no such thing before WWII.
You can't have Christianity without the OT. That is the Marcionite heresy.
Jesus literally came to fulfill the OT law and prophecy. The NT ceaselessly refers to and paraphrased and outright quotes the Tanach, aka OT.
Filling the gas tank isn't replacing the gas tank.
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NuttBoxer
2022 Jun 24, 4:00pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Jun 24, 4:00pm
Too many people leave the church for this exact reason, that it's about going through the motion and never becomes personal for them. My dad was a youth-pastor, so I grew up in church. Remember stealing gum from the church as a little kid. Got caught, but didn't feel bad about stealing, just that I got caught. Wasn't until I was between 12-16 laying in my room contemplating life alone at night that it became personal.
If you all you do is rote, you're wasting your time. But if realize you want and need God in your life, now that's something worth doing.
If you all you do is rote, you're wasting your time. But if realize you want and need God in your life, now that's something worth doing.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 25, 2:40am
richwicks
2022 Jun 25, 2:40am
AmericanKulak says
You're not thinking in the proper framepoint. You're taking this from a religious point of view.
When it's said "politics make strange bedfellows" - it's absolutely true. The US worked with the USSR to defeat the fascist movement in WWII. They worked with Pol Pot in Cambodia to try to win Vietnam. They worked with the Mujahideen in Aghanistan to defeat the Soviets in the 1980s, that's the Taleban. They worked with Al Qaeda to try to topple the Syrian leadership. Lehi tried to work with the Nazis during WWII. Israeli and American forces are working with Nazis now in Ukraine.
The Inquisition targeted everybody that wasn't a Christian, and that hit a lot of Jewish people. Not all Jewish people regard Christians as animals, but many of the powerful do. Many of the powerful in our nation regard the common population as just brute animals. Do you know why the NPC meme is so funny? Because it's true, and I guarantee that the people in power that hear these people repeat their total bullshit, don't regard them as human beings that can think, they regard them as subhuman. They regard non NPC's that aren't aligned with them as enemies.
I don't agree with your religion, but I respect it. I now see its utility. It's another framework for control, another set of NPC's are within it. I respect it's power, and I do no disrespect the believers. I don't disrespect the republican or democratic faithful either, although they are wrong but it's a duty to bring people outside of just blind faith, because we have really awful people running this world, and that shouldn't be permitted. I have FAITH that if people are educated they will put an end to this bullshit.
You have go beyond religion. 15 years ago I didn't believe there was some sort of "great war between good and evil", the concept of evil was exclusively a religious one to me. I was wrong about that, it's a legitimate force. It doesn't matter if there's a god or not, doesn't matter what religion is true if any, morality exists. We all have to pick sides at some point.
The alliance between Christianity and Judaism is a POLITICAL one, and it's temporary. There is no religious basis in it, and there never has been. This is the myth that is created in order to make the, temporary, political alliance. In 100 years, it quite probably will no longer exist. It's only for politics there's a temporary alliance between Christianity and Judaism.
It has nothing to do with morality or right or wrong. Sociopaths run everything. They create narratives of what is right and wrong for their convenience to achieve their goals. When you engage in their narratives, you're helping them unwittingly. It's not "us good them evil" it's always without exception "they're both evil". I think we can do better than this. For the first time in history we are able to educate the public well enough to really have an informed public. If they can't be informed, we'll, I guess that's a failure of humanity and they deserve their fate. The common population is being given an opportunity, and I think that if they would never take it, there wouldn't be so much work to produce propaganda and censorship.
richwicks says
Judaeo-Christian culture is a creation that was recently made in the last century. There was no such thing before WWII.
You can't have Christianity without the OT. That is the Marcionite heresy.
Jesus literally came to fulfill the OT law and prophecy. The NT ceaselessly refers to and paraphrased and outright quotes the Tanach, aka OT.
Filling the gas tank isn't replacing the gas tank.
You're not thinking in the proper framepoint. You're taking this from a religious point of view.
When it's said "politics make strange bedfellows" - it's absolutely true. The US worked with the USSR to defeat the fascist movement in WWII. They worked with Pol Pot in Cambodia to try to win Vietnam. They worked with the Mujahideen in Aghanistan to defeat the Soviets in the 1980s, that's the Taleban. They worked with Al Qaeda to try to topple the Syrian leadership. Lehi tried to work with the Nazis during WWII. Israeli and American forces are working with Nazis now in Ukraine.
The Inquisition targeted everybody that wasn't a Christian, and that hit a lot of Jewish people. Not all Jewish people regard Christians as animals, but many of the powerful do. Many of the powerful in our nation regard the common population as just brute animals. Do you know why the NPC meme is so funny? Because it's true, and I guarantee that the people in power that hear these people repeat their total bullshit, don't regard them as human beings that can think, they regard them as subhuman. They regard non NPC's that aren't aligned with them as enemies.
I don't agree with your religion, but I respect it. I now see its utility. It's another framework for control, another set of NPC's are within it. I respect it's power, and I do no disrespect the believers. I don't disrespect the republican or democratic faithful either, although they are wrong but it's a duty to bring people outside of just blind faith, because we have really awful people running this world, and that shouldn't be permitted. I have FAITH that if people are educated they will put an end to this bullshit.
You have go beyond religion. 15 years ago I didn't believe there was some sort of "great war between good and evil", the concept of evil was exclusively a religious one to me. I was wrong about that, it's a legitimate force. It doesn't matter if there's a god or not, doesn't matter what religion is true if any, morality exists. We all have to pick sides at some point.
The alliance between Christianity and Judaism is a POLITICAL one, and it's temporary. There is no religious basis in it, and there never has been. This is the myth that is created in order to make the, temporary, political alliance. In 100 years, it quite probably will no longer exist. It's only for politics there's a temporary alliance between Christianity and Judaism.
It has nothing to do with morality or right or wrong. Sociopaths run everything. They create narratives of what is right and wrong for their convenience to achieve their goals. When you engage in their narratives, you're helping them unwittingly. It's not "us good them evil" it's always without exception "they're both evil". I think we can do better than this. For the first time in history we are able to educate the public well enough to really have an informed public. If they can't be informed, we'll, I guess that's a failure of humanity and they deserve their fate. The common population is being given an opportunity, and I think that if they would never take it, there wouldn't be so much work to produce propaganda and censorship.
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On ego
"How much vanity must be concealed—not too effectively at that—in order to pretend that one is the personal object of a divine plan?" — Christopher Hitchens, God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything
Here comes logic
"Monotheism explains order, but is mystified by evil. Dualism explains evil, but is puzzled by order. There is one logical way of solving the riddle: To argue that there is a single omnipotent God who created the entire universe—and He's evil. But nobody in history has had the stomach for such a belief." — Yuval Noah Harari, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
The difference is often language
"In America, belief in the unreal seems to be very fungible. Individuals don't so much abandon religious fantasy in favor of reason as find different fantasies that better suit their particular excitement and credulity quotients." — Kurt Andersen, Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire
A Buddhist approach
"Mindfulness accepts as its focus of inquiry whatever arises in one's field of awareness, no matter how disturbing or painful it might be. One neither seeks nor expects to find some greater truth lurking behind the veil of appearances. What appears and how you respond to it: that alone is what matters." — Stephen Batchelor, Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist
Enter Darwin
"Comprehension, far from being a Godlike talent from which all design must flow, is an emergent effect of systems of uncomprehending competence: natural selection on the one hand, and mindless computation on the other." — Daniel Dennett, From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds
The physical can be spiritual
"Evolution simply happened—foresightless, by chance, without goal. There is nobody to despise or rebel against—not even ourselves. And this is not some bizarre form of neurophilosophical nihilism but rather a point of intellectual honesty and great spiritual depth." — Thomas Metzinger, The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self
Superego
"Supernatural thinking is simply the natural consequence of failing to match our intuitions with the true reality of the world." — Bruce M. Hood, The Science of Superstition: How the Developing Brain Creates Supernatural Beliefs
Out of body is still in the body
"Out-of-body flight "really happens," then—it is a real physical event, but only in the patient's brain and, as a result, in his subjective experience. The out-of-body state is, by and large, an exacerbated form of the dizziness that we all experience when our vision disagrees with our vestibular system, as on a rocking boat." — Stanislas Dehaene, Consciousness and the Brain: Deciphering How the Brain Codes Our Thoughts
Randomness produces beautiful (or efficient) results
"If you let something tumble long enough, it comes out almost perfect. Such is the power of random collisions and patience, and that constitutes the sum total of nature's intelligence. All the rough edges, the flaws, the things that don't work are systematically dispatched by natural selection. What remains and carries on into the next generation and the next after that and so on are the advantageous aspects, what does work what makes survival easier. And survival is the fuel of natural selection." — Rodolfo R. Llinas, I of the vortex: From Neurons to Self
"Everything happens for a reason"
"A long line of research in cognitive science has documented that people make causal attributions about events as a means of maintaining personal control. It is the feeling that things are spinning out of control that motivates the human brain to find a pattern in events and try to predict what is going to happen next. The left-brain interpreter thus will be activated whenever the individual senses a lack of control. Superstitions and conspiracy theories can be seen as the societal consequences of the interpreter's drive to find a causal explanation for events that are seemingly out of control." — Ronald T. Kellogg, The Making of the Mind: The Nueroscience of Human Nature
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