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California could be coming for your kitchen stove next (plus your water heater, clothes dryer, etc.)
2019 Apr 8, 11:49am 6,434 views 27 comments
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zzyzzx
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2019 Apr 8, 11:50am
zzyzzx
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2019 Apr 8, 11:50am
This is some seriously faulty logic, since any new electric power plants are likely to burn natural gas to create the electricity.
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ForcedTQ
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2019 Apr 8, 12:13pm
Don't forget, mandatory TOU rates start October 2020 for PG&E/SCE customers. Your simple tiered rate structure goes away and it gets even MORE crucial to manage your energy use during part peak and peak times of the day. You won't be just trying to keep the total monthly bill below a certain amount to keep from getting grifted.
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EBGuy
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2019 Apr 8, 12:19pm
ForcedTQ says
Gentlemen... start your batteries. The duck will not be denied.
For those of you playing along at home peak rates will be from 4-9pm or 3-8pm.
Don't forget, mandatory TOU rates start October 2020 for PG&E/SCE customers. Your simple tiered rate structure goes away and it gets even MORE crucial to manage your energy use during part peak and peak times of the day.
Gentlemen... start your batteries. The duck will not be denied.
For those of you playing along at home peak rates will be from 4-9pm or 3-8pm.
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HeadSet
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2019 Apr 8, 12:33pm
HeadSet
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2019 Apr 8, 12:33pm
Well, lemme see.
Adaptations to this new normal will be more efficient appliances and local solar. Solar being rooftop or neighborhood arrays with home Tesla style batteries as a buffer. More efficient appliances means tiny Euro style washers, tiny oven/stoves, and maybe even a clothesline.
Well, unless you are rich, what else are you going to do? If you want unfettered immigration population growth, and you believe in AGW, cutting carbon means lots less energy for the common person.
Adaptations to this new normal will be more efficient appliances and local solar. Solar being rooftop or neighborhood arrays with home Tesla style batteries as a buffer. More efficient appliances means tiny Euro style washers, tiny oven/stoves, and maybe even a clothesline.
Well, unless you are rich, what else are you going to do? If you want unfettered immigration population growth, and you believe in AGW, cutting carbon means lots less energy for the common person.
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One of the things they are apparently thinking about doing now is getting rid of natural gas appliances in homes and businesses. The idea is to replace millions of gas stoves, gas dryers and gas heaters with replacements that run on electricity to help fight climate change.
you're talking about replacing several major appliances in millions of homes. For instance, I have a gas stove, a gas water heater, a gas home heater, and a gas dryer. Some of those are less than 2 years old. But, depending on how aggressive Democrats in Sacramento get with this plan, I might have to replace all of those. And the cost of the appliance is just part of it. Electric stoves and dryers need 220-volt power supplies to operate. I don't have 220 lines installed in my kitchen or garage. Who is going to pay to retrofit all of that? Probably me, but also possibly everyone in California:
I'm not convinced about the savings part of this equation. I can use all of my gas appliances routinely and the bill is still very cheap (around $20 a month except in the winter) because the cost of gas is so cheap. But electricity in California is sold in tiers. Those who only use a tiny amount for the month, pay very little. But most homes are going to use enough to push the rates into the upper tiers where the cost per kilowatt hour is significantly higher. The purpose of this is to induce people to save energy. But the practical result is going to be much higher bills if I'm suddenly using electricity to heat water, cook, heat the house, and dry clothes on top of everything else. It's hard to estimate what the increased price will be but I'm certain it's going to be a lot more than my current gas bill, probably several times more. So on top of the cost of replacing appliances and adding new electrical wiring to my home, there's going to be a higher monthly bill as well.