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Electric vehicles were a technology that has been forced on History. It ended the efficiency debate and created an ICE vs Electric car option.
It seems all other research and models were abandoned, and it's either ICE or Battery.
I saw a field with old Construction equipment in it yesterday. There was one of those huge lights you see on late night road crews. This one was an antique it wasn't a battery powered LED light. It had a 2 cylinder Diesel engine that powered a generator. My friend that was knowledgeable about them, said the thing will run for 12 to 15 hours on small tank of gas. That would be about 700 to 800 miles if that was a car traveling. It's a shame that Toyota ruined the thought of what a hybrid car could be. Their Prius was the ugliest car ever made, you could have taken the body panels off and replaced it with a AMC Pacer and it would have been an upgrade. I don't think they explored the hybrid option enough. In the case of the Toyota the engine was there to take over when the batteries got low or after acceleration. I think if there was will to do so. A hybrid car could be made where the ICE engine powers a generator that powers the electric motors. No battery arrays on the car at all, at no point would the car ever run on batteries alone. At no point would you ever have to plug the car into recharge.
I know that generator was for powering lights, and electric engines require much more energy than lights do. But has there really been a push to make generators as efficient as possible, while producing more Kw than ever?
I was reading about new electric motors that doesn't have any rare earth magnets in them, or switched reluctance motors.
They would seem to be more efficient as they don't have brushes or contact points on the shaft.

I wish Tesla would make a car that doesn't need a charging station. Fossil fuels will always be with us, they are a by product, in the refining of Oil. The process where we get lubricants, plastics and other by products from oil refining. Even if we eliminate ICE cars, then what do we do with all of the petrol?
Some greentards, suggest we burn in power plants. That's how fucking retarded they are.

Right, ICE engines have been developed so efficient they blow EVs out of the water. But those inventions have been left to die by govt subsidies for EVs.

We will have huge fields full of toxic waste Teslas and EVs that don't work any more, too expensive to fix or re-battery, but are too poisonous to economically recycle either. The HAZMAT burden is on the buyer, so they will just shove them off cliffs or remove ID and abandon them.

All green measures are designed to fail, and they aren't green to begin with, they are delusions.

Ceffer says

We will have huge fields full of toxic waste Teslas and EVs that don't work any more, too expensive to fix or re-battery, but are too poisonous to economically recycle either.

Doubtful.

Tesla batteries have huge value after the car is retired as it is much much easier and cheaper to recycle the Cobalt and Nickel out of a battery than to mine, refine and ship new material from half a world away.

In less than 50 years, we will likely be in a closed loop system where we have enough existing batteries we will no longer need to mine new material for it.

Get an EV if one wants one, I don't give a shit. Just don't be gay about it and pump it up for no reason like gays and hyper left wingers. There are better ICE cars 100%.

I'm for guns but I don't pump that to others. They can make their own choice. Buy an EV and go on your merry way. I feel like some have to justify having overpaid for a sedan. I sometimes can't sleep at night because my truck can only do 0-45 in 4 seconds instead of 2 seconds. Really, I cry about it... said no one.

Also not trusting a computer. Anyone ever own a computer for 5 years with not one issue? Nope. Now you're fine trusting a computer to move you? Could be shut off remotely? I'm out for the foreseeable future. Plus no utility for my uses. I also have many mechanics that will drive to my house that likely have no idea how to work on a Tesla. Not paying for a 30 mile tow if the EV goes down. ICE ICE baby.

Again:

It was never about 'saving the environment'.

DeportLibtards says

Again:

It was never about 'saving the environment'.

People don't understand there is nothing to save. We have these things called trees, grass, plants, etc. that need CO2. We're actually saving the environment. I like my O2 or I'm dead. I like warmth. Water levels haven't risen.

The whole smog issues in the 80-90's was coal power plants. Which are still useful given the quantity we have. Just not in cities. Put a coal plant 20 miles from a suburb and it's just fine.

Nukes are best for power, but EV's put out more CO2 per car build. Which I'm fine with, just won't ever buy one.

Still a TON of Teslas on the freeway coming up 680. I don't really think the hard core libbyfucks will really dent the market. They are also a kind of nerd flag and you know how many of them there are in Silicon Valley.

Tesla will be fine. The loss of sales from the far left will be equalized by the right buying them. All EV's issues coming up are going to be market saturation. If the car lasts 5-10 years there will be no new buyers. I think that's what we're seeing more than anything.

You also now have a used market after 10 years or so. Way less demand for new. EV makers are going to have to adjust their supply or lower prices. It's also not a feasible car north of I-80 in the states.

Proof positive that owning a Tesla had nothing to do with 'saving the environment'. It was all about what star the Sneetches had on their belly...until it wasn't.

And in Corona, CA:

In the flurry of recent endorsements have any of you cats been persuaded to buy a Tesla car yet?

I honked and waved at a cybertuck that was driving to the right of me on a city street. If it had stopped I would have mentioned the TOYOTA sticker trick to he/her/they/their/xi/xer/ . . . .

RWSGFY says

In the flurry of recent endorsements have any of you cats been persuaded to buy a Tesla car yet?

I got a 2nd one earlier this month. Love having 2 on my driveway as a big middle finger to the Commie Trans terrorists.

socal2 says

RWSGFY says

In the flurry of recent endorsements have any of you cats been persuaded to buy a Tesla car yet?

I got a 2nd one earlier this month. Love having 2 on my driveway as a big middle finger to the Commie Trans terrorists.

Anybody else?

PS. It's not like you needed the endorsements, lol.

Many cars are going to be alot more expensive next week thanks to Trump's new tariffs.

Good thing Tesla is the most American made car in the industry.

socal2 says

Many cars are going to be alot more expensive next week thanks to Trump's new tariffs.

Good thing Tesla is the most American made car in the industry.

That infogram doesn't say shit what it actually depicts. You just say it does.

So no parts in a Tesla come from China, then?

Like most of what you post, I call bullshit.

Police arrested 33-year-old Demarqeyun Cox in Texarkana, Texas, for felony criminal mischief after he used a mini four-wheeler to smash into a Tesla at Golden Palace restaurant and damaged another at Lowe’s.

socal2 says

Many cars are going to be alot more expensive next week thanks to Trump's new tariffs.

Good thing Tesla is the most American made car in the industry.

Elon disagrees:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1905076240479895932

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1905102546063991237

RWSGFY says

socal2 says

Many cars are going to be alot more expensive next week thanks to Trump's new tariffs.

Good thing Tesla is the most American made car in the industry.

Elon disagrees:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1905076240479895932

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1905102546063991237

Wow! socal2 caught red handed posting pure bullshit! AGAIN!

DeportLibtards says

RWSGFY says

socal2 says

Many cars are going to be alot more expensive next week thanks to Trump's new tariffs.

Good thing Tesla is the most American made car in the industry.

Elon disagrees:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1905076240479895932

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1905102546063991237

Wow! socal2 caught red handed posting pure bullshit! AGAIN!

Wrong or not. If you drive 10-20 miles on average it works as a daily driver. Wouldn’t for me. Likely ever without a 6 figure price tag. I’m out for that amount on a car. I’d rather spend money on vacation and other luxuries.

DeportLibtards says

Wow! socal2 caught red handed posting pure bullshit! AGAIN!

All Elon said is that Tesla won't be 100% unscathed from the tariffs.

But clearly Tesla will be impacted the LEAST because Tesla makes the most American made cars.

But up is down and black is white for certain Elon/TSLA haters around here......

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/report-tesla-makes-the-most-american-cars/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/03/06/top-10-most-american-cars/81746691007/
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-made-car-brands-ranked-tesla-wins-2023-6

WookieMan says

Wrong or not. If you drive 10-20 miles on average it works as a daily driver. Wouldn’t for me. Likely ever without a 6 figure price tag. I’m out for that amount on a car. I’d rather spend money on vacation and other luxuries.

You claim your wife makes bank. Why not treat her with the best, safest and most American Made car on the planet? Is she is hauling your toys around and driving 100's of miles a day?

socal2 says

All Elon said is that Tesla won't be 100% unscathed from the tariffs.

But clearly Tesla will be impacted the LEAST because Tesla makes the most American made cars.

Wrong. He said: The cost impact is not trivial.

You then try to twist that around to claim he supports your unproven bullshit But clearly Tesla will be impacted the LEAST because Tesla makes the most American made cars.. He doesn't.

socal2 says

But up is down and black is white for certain Elon/TSLA haters around here......

Nope. Calling you out for your perpetual bullshit posted on PatNet does not make us Elon/TSLA haters. Again, you twist things around to conform with your magical thinking. Which is the root of your bullshit posts, btw.

DeportLibtards says

Wrong. He said: The cost impact is not trivial.

You then try to twist that around to claim he supports your unproven bullshit But clearly Tesla will be impacted the LEAST because Tesla makes the most American made cars.. He doesn't.

Sigh - you don't have to make retarded arguments just to be contrarian.

Elon Musk says Trump's auto tariffs won't be a problem for Tesla
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-trumps-auto-tariffs-wont-be-a-problem-for-tesla-164553149.html

socal2 says

Elon Musk says Trump's auto tariffs won't be a problem for Tesla

Caught red-handed AGAIN!

Read your own bullshit article. Musk didn't say that. Some analysts pushing Tesla stock did.

Musk in that article talks about the EV tax credit and other things. But for the tariffs he says the opposite to the bullshit that article's headline - and what you keep saying.

Also, the cars are not 100% made in America. More outright bullshit. That Musk DOES point that out.

Cut the crap, socal2.

DeportLibtards says

Also, the cars are not 100% made in America. More outright bullshit. That Musk DOES point that out.

WTF are you even arguing about?

My original claim that sent you into another splenic rage was: "Good thing Tesla is the most American made car in the industry".

Have you managed to debunk this fact yet?

Assuming you can't, because there are none - now use your brain and try to understand what Trump's new car tariffs are going to do to Tesla's competitors who have a much larger percentage of their cars and spare parts assembled outside the US.

socal2 says

WTF are you even arguing about?

Nice try.

I am talking about your repeated attempts to avoid accountability for the outright bullshit you post here.

And you know it.

socal2 says

Have you managed to debunk this fact yet?

Yes. Musk did it for me...despite your false representations otherwise.