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Fuck Electric Vehicles, But More Importantly, Fuck Their Sanctimonious Owners.
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2019 May 3, 8:59am 14,764 views 308 comments
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WookieMan
2025 Apr 14, 6:36am
WookieMan
2025 Apr 14, 6:36am
EBGuy says
Give it a shot, but I'm not seeing it if you do the math. We had routes that were 100 miles a day for ONE zip code. UPS, Fedex and those similar do multiple towns and zip codes in a day with sometimes 10 miles between towns. And usually the distribution warehouse is 20-30 miles from the first stop in rural areas.
As I've said in many threads, I have no issue with EV's. I just think the expectations for them are over inflated on realistic situations. I get regenerative braking, but you burn a ton of battery accelerating every 10th house to drop a package.
Basically I don't see rural delivery being realistic. Even Northern cities it's probable not realistic in the winter months. I don't think carriers delivering in cold weather or rural are willing to take a risk on probably a $100k investment per vehicle. I wouldn't want to own shares in the company.
Also the taxes are coming on these shipping companies for EV's. They're way heavier empty and now throw in the cargo. EV's have to start paying in to maintain the roads. Not an opinion, it's fact.
Well, this will be interesting. Per press release, Walmart will be testing BrightDrop vans in several dense urban areas AND northwest Arkansas. Per the google:
Northwest Arkansas has a significantly lower population density compared to Austin, Texas. Northwest Arkansas has a population density of 174 people per square mile, while Austin has a density of 3,006.36 people per square mile. So I guess we'll be getting our test case...
Give it a shot, but I'm not seeing it if you do the math. We had routes that were 100 miles a day for ONE zip code. UPS, Fedex and those similar do multiple towns and zip codes in a day with sometimes 10 miles between towns. And usually the distribution warehouse is 20-30 miles from the first stop in rural areas.
As I've said in many threads, I have no issue with EV's. I just think the expectations for them are over inflated on realistic situations. I get regenerative braking, but you burn a ton of battery accelerating every 10th house to drop a package.
Basically I don't see rural delivery being realistic. Even Northern cities it's probable not realistic in the winter months. I don't think carriers delivering in cold weather or rural are willing to take a risk on probably a $100k investment per vehicle. I wouldn't want to own shares in the company.
Also the taxes are coming on these shipping companies for EV's. They're way heavier empty and now throw in the cargo. EV's have to start paying in to maintain the roads. Not an opinion, it's fact.
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socal2
2025 Apr 14, 4:01pm
Tesla seems to be working out well for a local police force in Indiana.
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"NEWS: Five years after debuting Indiana's first @Tesla police car, the Bargersville Police Department says it has saved them nearly $500,000 in maintenance and repairs.
Police chief Bertram said nothing has changed the department's commitment to their Teslas: "I couldn't even begin to say how much money the department has saved. Since 2020, I'd say we've been saving about $70,000-$80,000 a year from having our vehicles, and the more cars we get, the more savings too."
The department, which has 16 officers, started with one Tesla in 2019 and has since added another dozen.
Bertram remembers getting a monthly gas bill in June 2024 that was more than $3,100 for four Ford gas cars. That same month, he said, it cost $300 to charge all 13 electric vehicles.
The police chief also said they've never had to replace any brakes on the Teslas. That repair on gas cars can run between $1,200 and $1,500. He said the department hasn't experienced any issues or concerns with the electric cars except one that needed a battery pack changed."
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1911898087175434627
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"NEWS: Five years after debuting Indiana's first @Tesla police car, the Bargersville Police Department says it has saved them nearly $500,000 in maintenance and repairs.
Police chief Bertram said nothing has changed the department's commitment to their Teslas: "I couldn't even begin to say how much money the department has saved. Since 2020, I'd say we've been saving about $70,000-$80,000 a year from having our vehicles, and the more cars we get, the more savings too."
The department, which has 16 officers, started with one Tesla in 2019 and has since added another dozen.
Bertram remembers getting a monthly gas bill in June 2024 that was more than $3,100 for four Ford gas cars. That same month, he said, it cost $300 to charge all 13 electric vehicles.
The police chief also said they've never had to replace any brakes on the Teslas. That repair on gas cars can run between $1,200 and $1,500. He said the department hasn't experienced any issues or concerns with the electric cars except one that needed a battery pack changed."
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1911898087175434627
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WookieMan
2025 Apr 14, 7:21pm
WookieMan
2025 Apr 14, 7:21pm
socal2 says
Where in the flying fuck were they getting brakes done? It's a 1 hour job max and $150 in parts. It's a $300 job worst case.
socal2 says
No chance these numbers are right. They aren't paying MFT on the chargers. That is coming to an end. No one has even heard of this town and 13 EV's for 16 officers that aren't all on duty at the same time? I'm calling bull shit on this one.
3 shifts, you'd maybe need 6 EV's max with 4 officers on duty. 3 cars charging, 3 officers on the road and 1 desk duty. Just not buying it. Who the hell even knows who the guy is that tweeted this.
People are gullible. This has an insane scent of bull shit.
That repair on gas cars can run between $1,200 and $1,500.
Where in the flying fuck were they getting brakes done? It's a 1 hour job max and $150 in parts. It's a $300 job worst case.
socal2 says
the Bargersville Police Department says it has saved them nearly $500,000 in maintenance and repairs.
No chance these numbers are right. They aren't paying MFT on the chargers. That is coming to an end. No one has even heard of this town and 13 EV's for 16 officers that aren't all on duty at the same time? I'm calling bull shit on this one.
3 shifts, you'd maybe need 6 EV's max with 4 officers on duty. 3 cars charging, 3 officers on the road and 1 desk duty. Just not buying it. Who the hell even knows who the guy is that tweeted this.
People are gullible. This has an insane scent of bull shit.
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socal2
2025 Apr 14, 7:40pm
WookieMan says
Here is the source article from my old hometown newspaper.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2025/04/14/five-years-later-how-indianas-first-police-teslas-holding-up-bargersville-department-todd-bertram/83083353007/
Who the hell even knows who the guy is that tweeted this.
People are gullible. This has an insane scent of bull shit.
Here is the source article from my old hometown newspaper.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2025/04/14/five-years-later-how-indianas-first-police-teslas-holding-up-bargersville-department-todd-bertram/83083353007/
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WookieMan
2025 Apr 15, 1:29am
WookieMan
2025 Apr 15, 1:29am
socal2 says
Paywall... Still have to address why they have 13 cars with 16 officers. That was my point. 16 officers is maybe a town of 5-6k? Not all 16 are on duty at the same time.
And now that I'm thinking about it you have more gear than normal in a cop car running off electric supply. A running ICE car and alternator can run that all day. You're going to lose 10-20% of battery running equipment in a cop car. You'll have to swap cars during your shift or get yourself in a situation you can't serve and protect when the battery runs out going to a call. Less time on the streets.
There also is no $500k in savings for 3-5 years because you paid more for the car up front. For police sedans you're looking at $50k more at least for an EV. The sedan style ICE patrol car is cheap outside of added equipment. You then still have to get tires. As I said, a brake job is a trivial task at around $200-300 and could be done in house with public works mechanics. Could literally be $80/car.
Basically what I'm saying is the math is not truthful or makes sense. Also they'll eventually have to account for MFT to charge. It's coming...
Here is the source article from my old hometown newspaper.
Paywall... Still have to address why they have 13 cars with 16 officers. That was my point. 16 officers is maybe a town of 5-6k? Not all 16 are on duty at the same time.
And now that I'm thinking about it you have more gear than normal in a cop car running off electric supply. A running ICE car and alternator can run that all day. You're going to lose 10-20% of battery running equipment in a cop car. You'll have to swap cars during your shift or get yourself in a situation you can't serve and protect when the battery runs out going to a call. Less time on the streets.
There also is no $500k in savings for 3-5 years because you paid more for the car up front. For police sedans you're looking at $50k more at least for an EV. The sedan style ICE patrol car is cheap outside of added equipment. You then still have to get tires. As I said, a brake job is a trivial task at around $200-300 and could be done in house with public works mechanics. Could literally be $80/car.
Basically what I'm saying is the math is not truthful or makes sense. Also they'll eventually have to account for MFT to charge. It's coming...
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Eric Holder
2025 Apr 24, 1:48pm
Eric Holder
2025 Apr 24, 1:48pm
EBGuy says
In other news:
Well, this will be interesting. Per press release, Walmart will be testing BrightDrop vans in several dense urban areas AND northwest Arkansas. Per the google:
Northwest Arkansas has a significantly lower population density compared to Austin, Texas. Northwest Arkansas has a population density of 174 people per square mile, while Austin has a density of 3,006.36 people per square mile. So I guess we'll be getting our test case...
In other news:
General Motors has temporarily paused production of BrightDrop electric vans at its CAMI Assembly plant in Ontario, Canada. This halt is scheduled to last from May to October 2025 due to weak demand and inventory adjustments
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clambo
2025 Jun 5, 7:42am
Off the subject a bit, evidently Musk is freaking out that Trump et. al want to get rid of the tax credit=subsidy for electric battery cars.
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RWSGFY
2025 Jun 5, 7:56am
RWSGFY
2025 Jun 5, 7:56am
clambo says
Nah, he's on record saying he doesn't want these.
Off the subject a bit, evidently Musk is freaking out that Trump et. al want to get rid of the tax credit=subsidy for electric battery cars.
Nah, he's on record saying he doesn't want these.
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MolotovCocktail
2025 Jun 5, 8:05am
MolotovCocktail
2025 Jun 5, 8:05am
RWSGFY says
Yup. Has he recently changed his tune, clambo ?
Nah, he's on record saying he doesn't want these.
Yup. Has he recently changed his tune, clambo ?
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clambo
2025 Jun 5, 8:49am
I'm guilty of not really paying much attention to what Musk is saying about things, so if he is against tax credits (corporate welfare) for battery cars that's fine.
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MolotovCocktail
2025 Jun 5, 10:51am
MolotovCocktail
2025 Jun 5, 10:51am
clambo says
You are the one who said, "evidently Musk is freaking out that Trump et. al want to get rid of the tax credit=subsidy for electric battery cars."
I'm guilty of not really paying much attention to what Musk is saying about things, so if he is against tax credits (corporate welfare) for battery cars that's fine.
You are the one who said, "evidently Musk is freaking out that Trump et. al want to get rid of the tax credit=subsidy for electric battery cars."
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HeadSet
2025 Jun 15, 9:22am
HeadSet
2025 Jun 15, 9:22am
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Not sure what your point is, or why the ODO is in kilometers. Getting a quarter million miles (402k kilometers) out of a car sounds like a good deal for the original owner.
Not sure what your point is, or why the ODO is in kilometers. Getting a quarter million miles (402k kilometers) out of a car sounds like a good deal for the original owner.
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WookieMan
2025 Jun 15, 11:07am
WookieMan
2025 Jun 15, 11:07am
HeadSet says
I think the point is the resale is trash. I wouldn't buy one. A new battery is due and you've essentially got a $22-25k car at least. I'd just get a new hybrid for $30k that's the same size and has similar features. If you're into acceleration and that stuff you're a common retard. You don't need that stuff.
You can also get a used hybrid for around the same amount with 60-80k miles. Full EV is stupid.
Not sure what your point is, or why the ODO is in kilometers. Getting a quarter million miles (402k kilometers) out of a car sounds like a good deal for the original owner.
I think the point is the resale is trash. I wouldn't buy one. A new battery is due and you've essentially got a $22-25k car at least. I'd just get a new hybrid for $30k that's the same size and has similar features. If you're into acceleration and that stuff you're a common retard. You don't need that stuff.
You can also get a used hybrid for around the same amount with 60-80k miles. Full EV is stupid.
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HeadSet
2025 Jun 15, 12:51pm
HeadSet
2025 Jun 15, 12:51pm
WookieMan says
Yes, but the resale on any car with 250k miles on it is "trash."
I think the point is the resale is trash.
Yes, but the resale on any car with 250k miles on it is "trash."
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WookieMan
2025 Jun 16, 11:15am
WookieMan
2025 Jun 16, 11:15am
HeadSet says
Agree and disagree. Can make an ICE vehicles run another 50-100k miles for $2-4k. Ain't doing that with an EV. It will be $10k and you still have to do tires and brakes. Manufacturers oil changes have gone way up. Might only need 2 a year unless it's a commercial vehicle. Oh the horror.
Still have to pay the electric. The MFT taxes are coming in some form in the near future. EV's I think have reached peak saturation. Factor in subsidies potentially going away, they're toast. It was never a viable option regardless of the fun to drive thing everyone is attached to. Start from A get me to B and that's a car. 0-60 in 2.5 seconds is stupid.
WookieMan says
I think the point is the resale is trash.
Yes, but the resale on any car with 250k miles on it is "trash."
Agree and disagree. Can make an ICE vehicles run another 50-100k miles for $2-4k. Ain't doing that with an EV. It will be $10k and you still have to do tires and brakes. Manufacturers oil changes have gone way up. Might only need 2 a year unless it's a commercial vehicle. Oh the horror.
Still have to pay the electric. The MFT taxes are coming in some form in the near future. EV's I think have reached peak saturation. Factor in subsidies potentially going away, they're toast. It was never a viable option regardless of the fun to drive thing everyone is attached to. Start from A get me to B and that's a car. 0-60 in 2.5 seconds is stupid.
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Electricity for much of the US and world is powered through coal, its just a switch to another equal pollutant. The batteries and materials used in EVs are full of heavy metals, not to mention that when the batteries in an EV combust they fill the air with pollutants, burning heavy metals that fire departments cant extinguish. Lastly, theres not enough data on current EVs to determine their shelf life, given the materials and amount of electronics, i imagine the shelf life of an EV will be significantly shorter than that of an ICE vehicle.
Given all of that, you will still be subject to the bitching and moaning of bugmen and babies who have never changed their oil in their life. The sheer panic that these people attempt to spread and their ever changing timeline of ecological destruction is obnoxious. These arent folks who attempt to clean up India or China(our leading polluters) but they want to concentrate on stripping you of your ability to choose.
The government is only too happy to comply too. The more that bloodsucking government can entangle themselves in transportation, the more control they have over you and your movement. The government gives companies like Tesla "Credits" that they can sell to ICE manufacturers who dont develop EVs, or dont develop them to the point that the government wants. This allows failing EV companies, like Tesla, to stay afloat even though they cant run a business efficiently. Honestly this type of behavior is more akin to a villain from an Ayn Rand novel, both with the governments overreach and with the behavior of many EV owners in general.