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d6rB says

Yes he was elected.

We're talking about the presidency. That is the legitimate ruler of Venezuela, not the nationalist party. That would be like saying, in this country if the democratic party nominated someone that someone would be the legitimate ruler without a general election to determine that result. Your comment was disingenuous.

Maduro was elected with major fraud.

False: Henri Falcón was the opposition politician who lost to Maduro, by over four million votes, 47 percent of the electorate. (29) And while there are claims of voter fraud and a “stolen election,” nobody has conclusively shown that any votes, let alone millions of votes, were stolen from Falcón. Also, four different election observers concluded the 2018 election was clean and free of voter fraud.

You won't get an argument from me on the rest of the points you made, although I don't think we should involve ourselves in Venezuela and if there were no sanctions, which are not justified in my opinion, then we would know with certainty how bad socialism has been for Venezuela.

WillPowers says

Your comment was disingenuous.

Your statement was imprecise. Furthermore, both Pres and National Assembly (introduced by Chavez btw) are legitimate ruling powers. Maduro and his cronies created "Constituent national Assembly", which usurped power from National Assembly, since NA has majority of opposition. I do not think that in US pres creates Congress/Senate replacements if his party loses respective elections.

Eric Holder says

I doubt it's possible in any significant numbers.

The numbers of agitators are small, 50, to 100 people causing all the violence.

d6rB says

Constituent national Assembly", which usurped power from National Assembly

Propaganda. That is the point of my article. You don't know what is going on there and you can't trust the mainstream media on this issue. You may be right. You may be wrong, but how do you know what to believe? The people of Venezuela don't even know whats going on in their own country. CBS interviewed a guy who said he was confused because most reliable media he turned to was shut down by the government.

Don't believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear.

WillPowers says

The people of Venezuela don't even know whats going on in their own country.

.... and have nothing to wipe their butts with.

Given America's track record in South America (or anywhere else in the world), I side firmly with Venezuela and Maduro whether or not he is wise, just or socialist. Name one country the US where the US has installed a democracy (outside of the liberated nations of Western Europe after WWII and that exclude Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy).

You would have to be a delusional, moronic patriot to believe a single things any cunt in DC says about anything south of the border.

WillPowers says

Propaganda. That is the point of my article. You don't know what is going on there and you can't trust the mainstream media on this issue. You may be right. You may be wrong, but how do you know what to believe? The people of Venezuela don't even know whats going on in their own country. CBS interviewed a guy who said he was confused because most reliable media he turned to was shut down by the government.

Don't believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear.

I don't accept whatever MSM says, I talk to Venezuelans here in SE TX, There are quite a few of them in my classes and we have a few family acquaintances from there as well. Their information is more reliable than so-called MSM or Russia today.
It is just as bad to believe MSM as it is to uncritically accept mantra "everything US does is bad and designed to oppress the rest of universe".

Expat01 says

Name one country the US where the US has installed a democracy (outside of the liberated nations of Western Europe after WWII and that exclude Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy).

Japan, S. Korea, indirectly (not under occupation, but under heavy influence) - Taiwan. All are extraordinary success stories.