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The Illinois, California Exodus


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2019 Jun 17, 10:58pm   57,270 views  303 comments

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People fleeing to Florida, Texas, South Carolina.

http://myuhaulstory.com/2019/01/02/uhaul-names-top-50-growth-states-for-2018/

Almost twice as much to leave California for Texas than Vice-Versa:
https://lightfromtheright.com/2012/11/22/latest-haul-index-shows-californians-leaving-for-texas/

When you bring a U-Haul back to California, you do the company a favor, so another Middle Class family can leave for Texas.

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146   mell   2022 Oct 7, 3:23pm  

Have to say while likely far more dangerous, Chicago was quite much cleaner than SF. Had a decent time at the mile recently, could be a great city without pricker and lightfoot and leftoids/demonrats
147   WookieMan   2022 Oct 7, 3:55pm  

mell says

Have to say while likely far more dangerous, Chicago was quite much cleaner than SF. Had a decent time at the mile recently, could be a great city without pricker and lightfoot amd leftoids/demonrats

I LOVED the city (Chicago), but it legitimately is dangerous as fuck. Even in the tourist areas now. SF might be dirtier, but the criminal element in Chicago is no fucking joke. The decline is sad.

I've legit been on probably 60-70% of the blocks in Chicago. I would dress down and drive a shitty car in my last 3-4 years working there. Cops are killing themselves and retiring early to get out. Going on a cruise in January with two of them for a 40th birthday (bunch of those lately) so I'll get some time to pick their brains. They can leave at 48 I believe and they're out asap when that time hits. They'll do a suburban gig.

The decline of cities I think is way worse than most people realize. It's not just CA, IL, NY, NJ. It's any major citiy.
148   RC2006   2022 Oct 7, 5:20pm  

WookieMan says

The decline of cities I think is way worse than most people realize. It's not just CA, IL, NY, NJ. It's any major citiy.


The US is declining. Our large cities are just the tumors of a bigger problem.
150   Ceffer   2022 Oct 14, 10:53am  

The decline of the cities is programmed. The Soros Fecal Impaction Foundation have deputized the most corrupt and lowest echelon freaks, tribal warlords and pidgins to be in charge. The cities are becoming post apocalyptic computer games.
151   clambo   2022 Oct 14, 12:59pm  

Anecdote herewith:
I was in Juno beach Florida CVS buying stuff that I can't easily find in Baja California Sur Mexico.
I mentioned my destination to the young cashier.
An older woman behind me said "I know those places you mentioned, we also went to Coronado island."
"Are you from San Diego?"
"No, *Malibu*."
152   B.A.C.A.H.   2022 Oct 14, 6:28pm  

..."...SACRAMENTO, Calif. —
A group of people not affiliated with John F. Kennedy High School entered a classroom to attack a student, the Sacramento City Unified School District said Thursday afternoon.

About six people, which the school district said most — if not all — were adults, came onto the campus around 2:20 p.m. without permission. At least two of them entered a classroom and attacked a female student using pepper spray...."...

https://www.kcra.com/article/police-at-john-f-kennedy-high-school-sacramento/41616828
153   Patrick   2022 Oct 14, 10:29pm  

clambo says

Anecdote herewith:
I was in Juno beach Florida CVS buying stuff that I can't easily find in Baja California Sur Mexico.
I mentioned my destination to the young cashier.
An older woman behind me said "I know those places you mentioned, we also went to Coronado island."
"Are you from San Diego?"
"No, *Malibu*."


I don't get it.
154   DD214   2022 Nov 20, 6:14pm  

155   clambo   2022 Nov 20, 7:33pm  

The significance of someone from Malibu in Juno Beach is even rich California people are leaving and going to Florida.
Nobody who lives in Malibu has a money problem.
157   AmericanKulak   2022 Dec 17, 9:06pm  

Remember why you Fled
Keep Florida Red
158   WookieMan   2022 Dec 17, 9:19pm  

AmericanKulak says

Remember why you Fled
Keep Florida Red

Honestly I'm liking IL more as people flee if that makes sense. We have great community, friends and neighbors. We were up till 3am last night (well this morning) hanging out with people we never knew until we lived here. That sense of community is fucking dead in the cities for sure and is creeping into the suburbs.

I think our final transition in life will be fuck everyone and just get a 2k acre ranch in Montana or somewhere similar. Or an island house in the Caribbean and get to know that community better. Good people from our experiences.
159   Booger   2022 Dec 26, 2:41pm  

https://youtu.be/BfiaSe-SNEc

Family's Chicago property taxes increase 440%

But when you watch the video it's a landlord..
160   Onvacation   2022 Dec 26, 5:05pm  

Bd6r says

AmericanKulak says

Reduce prosecution of criminals and let NON-political, violent criminals out.

Same as early Soviet policies of 1917-1920

Stalin was just letting his friends out.
162   clambo   2022 Dec 29, 9:47am  

The intesting thing is that the large Florida migration is largely older people who escaped the NorthEast. Texas has younger people moving in and seeking jobs.
163   Ceffer   2022 Dec 29, 1:03pm  

What do you call somebody moving from California to Illinois? A backslider.
164   WookieMan   2022 Dec 29, 2:51pm  

Ceffer says

What do you call somebody moving from California to Illinois? A backslider.

An idiot. Per capita IL is getting destroyed and I love it. Get these fuckers out of here. The state is becoming better. IL is not a bad place, just bad politicians.
165   zzyzzx   2023 Jan 5, 11:46am  

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chicago-rolls-campaign-lure-employers-223352639.html

Chicago Rolls Out Campaign to Lure Employers After Citadel, Boeing Exits

Comments are priceless.
168   Patrick   2023 Mar 30, 7:48pm  

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/03/30/population-drops-even-more-in-california-san-francisco-bay-area-coastal-southern-california-san-francisco-8-from-peak-but-19-inland-counties-grow/


Population Drops Even More in California, San Francisco Bay Area, Coastal Southern California. San Francisco -8% from Peak! But 19 Inland Counties Grow

by Wolf Richter • Mar 30, 2023

Where is demand for homes supposed to come from when the population keeps dropping like this? ...

I’m going to look at this with an eye on the housing market because these shifts are already having an impact, with the San Francisco Bay Area being one of the worst housing markets in the country with some of the steepest price declines, and with home prices in coastal southern California also getting hit.

Between April 1, 2020 and July 1, 2022, California’s population dropped by 508,900 people, to 39.03 million, below where the population had been in 2016. The uptick in 2020 was due to the adjustment based on the 2020 Population Census:



169   AD   2023 Mar 30, 8:59pm  

Patrick says

Population Drops Even More in California


I posted in the thread Newsom ads against Florida about how Newsom is now attacking Florida for being "authoritarian"

I guess "authoritarian" means anti-over regulation, anti high gas and electricity prices, anti-high taxes, anti-Woke indoctrination, pro-liberty, and anti-open border.
170   AD   2023 Mar 31, 8:07pm  

Just saw Facebook workers returning to the office in California. Other tech companies and major companies likely will do the same.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

https://gizmodo.com/meta-instagram-remote-work-work-from-home-facebook-1850287137

The days of work-from-home could be dwindling for Meta employees. Hiring managers at the tech giant are reportedly no longer able to list jobs as remote as the company seemingly abandons its easy breezy work-from-home policy.

As detailed by Insider, the hiring manager directive is only one example of Meta seemingly abandoning the remote work flexibility that made working for Big Tech so appealing even after the height of the covid-19 pandemic. Meta also allegedly removed the line “Remote roles are now available in the US, Canada, and Europe, and we’ll continue to add more roles in more locations as they become available” from its job listing page. Meta CEO and co-founder Mark Zuckerberg also mentioned a return-to-office push in a letter to employees shared on Facebook on March 14.
171   Misc   2023 Apr 1, 4:54am  

If the employees wanna WFH, all they have to do is get Covid and sue the corporation.

That was the original thought of WFH.
172   WookieMan   2023 Apr 1, 5:44am  

ad says

Just saw Facebook workers returning to the office in California. Other tech companies and major companies likely will do the same.

It's because the managers don't want to manage remotely in my opinion. They have to actually check in with those under them and that requires work and not just walking around doing water cooler talk and going out to lunch "meetings." I've never had a corporate job, but that's my impression.

I think WFH is a good thing for some people. The reality for me is if the work asked gets done, who gives a shit? My buddy lives in MT and has to fly back to IL quarterly. He's happier out there and still gets the work done. Though he's in IP telephone/office stuff nationwide, so by default he doesn't need to be in the office as that's literally what his product does for companies.

I was doing WFH since 2010 roughly 2 days a week. Then went to 3. Then finally boss was just like as long as you're getting your shit done do what you want. I still had to drive around and manage shit, but I didn't have to go into the office. Also, some people are more productive at certain times of the day. As an insomniac I could get a lot done from midnight to 3am without any distractions. When you're making a marketing piece at 10am and you're getting a call every 10 minutes you lose the creative flow and get frustrated.

I'm also a huge advocate of naps. This isn't hunter gatherer times with no electric. I'd rather wake up at 5am work for 5 hours, take a nap for 1-2 hours, work for 2-3 hours until the kids are out of school. Then finish up any leftover work late at night, IF that's necessary.
173   HeadSet   2023 Apr 1, 9:13am  

WookieMan says

if the work asked gets done, who gives a shit?

That is the issue, for some companies, the work was not getting done. If work was being done, the company would gladly save rent on office space.
174   AD   2023 Apr 1, 3:30pm  

HeadSet says


That is the issue, for some companies, the work was not getting done. If work was being done, the company would gladly save rent on office space.


Could put in big brother camera in the work-from-home office to use AI and human monitoring. Also could track the work-from-home computer.

This is for work from home jobs which are not task-oriented and clearly defined or definitive. It is project management related jobs, which cannot be assigned easily an estimated time to complete.

These are ways to monitor work from home employees, but I understand that takes work on the part of the managers. Its easier for the managers to have the workers in the same physical work location.
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175   Booger   2023 Apr 1, 7:07pm  

HeadSet says

If work was being done, the company would gladly save rent on office space.


Or managers need to have people in the office to justify their management position.
177   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Apr 7, 7:37am  

That list for 2023 will Have Portland and Seattle. We're leaving San Diego, again. Housing's more than I'm willing to pay, and renting always makes that choice easy.
178   zzyzzx   2023 Apr 10, 10:37am  

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/04/10/california-apartment-vacancies-near-2-year-high-as-rents-off-3-5-from-peak/
Don't have a non-paywall link, but 12ft io works

California apartment vacancies near 2-year high as rents slip 3.5% from peak

Vacancy rate rose to 5.2% in March, the highest level since April 2021

A significant winner in California’s real estate chill is the renter.

The post-pandemic return to normalcy that’s decelerated California housing markets is forcing landlords statewide to compete for tenants. Meanwhile, renters are seeing the most available units in nearly two years.

Consider what my trusty spreadsheet found within ApartmentList’s March report on California rents.

The statewide vacancy rate rose to 5.2% in March, the highest level since April 2021 and a noteworthy jump from the 3.6% pandemic-era low in September-November 2021.

Those extra options are a key reason why March’s overall statewide rent fell to $1,930 a month, down 3.5% (or $70) from August 2022’s peak. Yes, that’s still not affordable for numerous Californians, and it’s still up 15% (or $253) in three years.

But at least if the price isn’t right for a tenant, they have more options.

Lots of factors are cutting demand for apartments. The fear of catching COVID-19 in crowded living arrangements has dropped. The return of workers to the office and children to classrooms has limited the need for additional home office or study space. And the previously soaring rents may have some apartment hunters rethinking their search in uncertain economic times.

Plus, developers saw 2021’s landlord-friendly conditions of rising rents and few vacancies and rushed to build. Statewide permits for multifamily housing totaled 106,000 in 2021-22 – a huge jump from the 71,000 average for two-year periods in the previous 30 years. So, landlords will have to fill up those new units, too.

And don’t forget that these trends – notably new supply of rentals coming online – occur as California’s population is shrinking. And even the in-state migration from bigger coastal cities toward inland regions that sped up in the crazy pandemic days is also cooling.

It all adds up to California looking more renter-friendly for many months to come.
179   WookieMan   2023 Apr 10, 12:51pm  

zzyzzx says





Chicago is true, but they're not all moving out of state. It kills Chicago, but has little impact statewide. And yes, some do move out of state, but it's not like what it was 10-15 years ago. They're just getting out of the city moving south, west and north from Chicago. Call them stupid, but Millennials with kids are smart enough to get out of cities.
180   Booger   2023 Apr 23, 8:39am  

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/kelly-moore-paints-moving-hq-texas-17912812.php

Paint retailer Kelly Moore moving headquarters from Bay Area to Texas
182   Patrick   2023 May 5, 2:13pm  

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/05/05/actor-scott-baio-leaving-california-after-45-years-its-not-a-safe-place-anymore/


Actor Scott Baio Leaving California After 45 Years: ‘It’s Not a Safe Place Anymore’
183   clambo   2023 May 5, 3:00pm  

Any famous or rich person who gives a reason besides taxes for departing California is lying.

California is superior to most states in most ways; it's just taxing people too much.

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