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RC2006 says

Speaking of guns where can you shoot out there I didn't see any ranges

Well my neighbor shot a bad ass badger in between out properties with his deer rifle last week ;) Lots of people go into the foothills and find a spot. There are a few back rds near unpopulated foothills that we see people sighting their rifles and target practicing all the time, most everyday near my direction of the valley Sand Hollow Rd. .and Little Freeze Out Rd

Any update on the prospective move to Idaho, or still making offers on Bay Area homes?

RC2006 made the move. We shall look forward to updates from him on how things are going.

RC2006 says

Got keys, hour after moving in neighbors came by and brought us cookies and helped me unload small trailer with piano. So many things are different. Freeway speed limit is 80! Way less nanny laws. Kids can start driving at 14.5yo.

The wife and have been looking at Boise, Sandpoint and Coeur D'Alene. We wanted easy access to the outdoors for hiking, and skiing would be a plus as well. It's all relative, but IMHO, these areas have already been discovered. From a bang for the buck perspective for a nice home on a good piece of land, you are going to have to move farther out in the periphery, which isn't necessariy a bad thing. But living centrally in these areas, you are not going to find increadible prices any more. Too many relocated Californians. And central Boise is a lot of early 1900 homes that flippers have dressed up and now expect insane prices for. I suppose if you are handy, you can buy a 1920's Craftsman and fix up yourself.

Bend, OR also has already been discovered. Too late. We are looking at other mountain locales, but so are other folks who have cashed out or are cashing out from the insanely priced RE and liberal policy destroyed areas. From a pricing perspective, it is a matter of getting in on the upward slope and not the peak.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Sandpoint and Coeur D'Alene.

I don't look at housing up there, but these areas are awesome. I'd buy there for sure. Had a delayed flight and SW lost my god damn snowboard (not really their fault, ran to the connecting flight in Vegas just to make it) so didn't get to snowboard up in Sandpoint. Forget the resort name. Was gonna do a rental, but said fuck it. Did drive up there and it looked nice.

You also have some great places to go with relatively short drive. Glacier NP. Yellowstone NP is ~7 hours. Fuck tons of state and national forests. Winters can suck, but never understood why it's not more popular. First time I drove through was when I was 18 and it hasn't changed a ton from what I recall. If you can deal with winter those would be my go to places.

Effing COLD in Winter. And Bleak. Can be pretty hot in summer too.

rocketjoe79 says

Effing COLD in Winter. And Bleak. Can be pretty hot in summer too.

Is that a bad thing though? Cold is a character builder. Fun activities to do in the cold too. Went ice fishing with my buddies for the first time in Montana this last winter. With the equipment out there now, it's a blast. You're not cold at all. It's an adventure. Drink some beers and catch some fish. I personally like the change of seasons, just wish there were closer big mountains in IL for snowboarding.

My biggest issue is sun. Getting dark at 4:30pm local is shitty. Messes with me. I can handle the cold though.

WookieMan says

Is that a bad thing though? Cold is a character builder.

Yeah. That's one of the draws of living in Northern California. All winter long, we can go to the Sierras for that when we want to, and stay home when we don't want to.

As I have written in other comments on patrick's site, the tradeoffs for living here are not worth it, though.

Sandpoint and Coeur D'Alene are a bit farhter north than Boise. The average winter month lows (Dec-Feb) farther north are in the low 20's, highs in the 30's. Average high summer temps (Jun-Aug) are 70's to low '80's, and lows in the upper 40's. Average annual snowfall: 59 inches.
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/sandpoint/idaho/united-states/usid0230

Boise is warmer. Average winter month lows (Dec-Feb) in the mid to upper 20's. Average winter highs in the upper 30's to mid 40's. Summer lows mid 50's-60. Summer highs 80's to low 90's. Average annual snowfall: 19 inches.
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/boise/idaho/united-states/usid0025

BayArea says

Putting kids through school in the Bay Area weighs heavily on parents, no doubt.

Blue says

Most of these kids were born and raised here and has no exposure to any tough neighborhoods like lots of other places. But still some are very toxic that once I found in social media channels of school clubs after an alert from my child. One of the club "VP", who is an Asian Indian descendant use "you n...r" (n word) in almost in every message on daily club chat for 6 months! Also he posted more explicit sexual messages on a group of 85 kids of both boys and girls.I copied the thread and gave it to school and was told they will take care but no apparent change happened and that person ended up at uc sb. School like the result and careless on behavior.

Note, most of these kids parents are rich and can afford to send their attorney to school to deal with school. At least I know a case where a Caucasian parent sent his attorney when his girl was discriminated.

Adolescent child Ilene Misheloff went missing in the leafy Tri-Valley suburb 31 years ago, still missing. Latch key child because, well, you know, the leafy tri valley suburbs require both parents working (and commuting) from home for the high paying jobs.

B.A.C.A.H. says

WookieMan says

Is that a bad thing though? Cold is a character builder.

Yeah. That's one of the draws of living in Northern California. All winter long, we can go to the Sierras for that when we want to, and stay home when we don't want to.

As I have written in other comments on patrick's site, the tradeoffs for living here are not worth it, though.

I get the appeal of CA for sure. You're a short drive to some great skiing/boarding but live in a temperate climate at home. Wife and I have looked at relocating out there multiple times now. It just doesn't make sense to do it for weather and activities. You sleep 6-8 hours a day. Work another 8-10. By the time you deal with traffic, fires, taxes, high cost of living, regulations, etc it makes little to zero sense to live in CA.

Idaho is very appealing. Utah isn't bad, but I can't stand their Mormon booze laws. Montana is okay, but CA commies are taking over the larger cities/towns. Washington and Oregon are in the same boat as CA. Beautiful but managed like horse shit. I'd do parts of ID, AZ, CO and WY if I ever moved west. Maybe MT if we could work remotely and get some land 40-60 minutes from a bigger town.

WookieMan says

It just doesn't make sense to do it for weather and activities. You sleep 6-8 hours a day. Work another 8-10. By the time you deal with traffic, fires, taxes, high cost of living, regulations, etc it makes little to zero sense to live in CA.

Yep.

So far looks like schools are much better in ID at least where I’m at. My two older sons really like the classes much more, my oldest went on about how much better and more hands on everything is. His art class has way better equipment, and he is doing a lot of lab work in science class instead of dumb work sheets. Wife told me all the kids seem much kinder and respectful of adults. My oldest son made a friend day one and kid called my wife Mam. Kid came up to my youngest in class and told him out of the blue if he needs anything or any help to ask, my wife was blown away. She is having a hard time and use to being on the defensive so much dealing with schools in CA she doesn’t know what to do in ID.
School is full time for younger grades and the rest are slowly opening up full time. They seem to also get a lot less homework so far. Oldest is looking forward to getting his learners permit to drive at 14 1/2yo.

This is an outrage. ID needs Illiterate Kommie entrenched, overpaid, over-tenured teacher's union apparatchiks to correct this situation where children receive education.

Can't California mount a military campaign to annex these Kommie scoffers? Children who are taught to think are a danger to the State!

RC2006 says

This would be a DCFS call in CA.

We call that fun in IL. lol. That an original photo or from someone else?

This would be DCFS call in CA.

Lol, we used to do stuff like that when I was a kid.

For sure it's the dad driving the truck. I don't know any moms who would do it.

We used to go sledding, dads would lie belly down facing forward grabbing the horns and one or two kids would sit on top of the dad, families racing each other. The mountain was steep and we'd reach bob sledding speeds. Hitting a tree or ditch frontal or veering of the path in a curve certainly had brutal consequences, but luckily nothing besides mild concussions and a few bruises are what I can remember (pun intended). Mom's usually did not participate watch. Good times. Instead nowadays families hunker down in the basement in fear of a cold virus. Good times create weak men...

2 of my friends moved there. If you move there don’t say you are from Cali, they hate Californians out there.

Dholliday126 says

Spent 30 days on Ko Tao once and lived in a beach bungalow, one of the best times of my life. Cheap as shit too, but that was in 2000 when there was a bhat crisis, so may be more expensive today. $4 a day I lived like a king.

Would you consider buying a home on this island and living for several months a year?

Yes, you, too, can live in beachfront opulence in Idaho. Natural, no?

https://www.redfin.com/ID/Eagle/1382-N-Laconia-Ave-83616/home/168237145

Yes, the outdoors can be a distraction. Thank goodness developers are catering to the tastes of fleeing Californians: https://www.thevillageatmeridian.com/

if you aren’t sure. come here in winter. if you like it, youll be fine. not everyone likes cold winters.