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CORE of Common Core: Education or Indoctrination
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2019 Dec 5, 1:31am 977 views 13 comments
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theoakman
2019 Dec 5, 5:11am
The educational system is a disaster but it has little to do with the government or conspiracy and everything to do with academia at the collegiate level. Educational theory is easily the 2nd most intellectually dishonest profession behind economics. They create new methods of teaching, "test them" and always conclude that their way is better. They then go off and sell the admin on it who always are looking to change the way something is done to leave their mark. The admin force it on their teachers. The older experienced ones ignore them. The younger ones that don't know any better drink the kool aid.
I teach AP Physics. Most teachers have no interest in brainwashing anyone. In fact...most of them are disgusted with the nonsense that goes on at the high school level. When we get the students, they don't have the background they did 10 to 15 years ago. The elementary and middle school levels are not adequately preparing them because the teachers at that level, specifically the elementary, usually aren't experts in any one field and they'll do whatever they are told as far as teaching. The admin constantly brings in the new hippest math program and it always falls flat on its face.
Common core is not indoctrination. It's just a crappy standard developed by academia that was falsely put forth as something that was effective. The problem is...there's no glory or money in doing things the old fashioned way.
Basically, my job as a parent has shifted from what it would have been 15 years ago....because I am forced to fill in all the voids in reading, writing, and math that the elementary school has failed to fill. The other alternative is to hire private tutors to supplement the instruction. For the most part, it's a system that has evolved on its own. There's no one entity to blame. Most people take zero interest in school policy, fail to vote in BOE elections. You get a bunch of unqualified people sitting on BOE boards throughout the country and this is what happens. The very best teachers in the school who do things the old fashioned way are looked upon from the outside and above like disgruntled workers who "refuse to change".
I teach AP Physics. Most teachers have no interest in brainwashing anyone. In fact...most of them are disgusted with the nonsense that goes on at the high school level. When we get the students, they don't have the background they did 10 to 15 years ago. The elementary and middle school levels are not adequately preparing them because the teachers at that level, specifically the elementary, usually aren't experts in any one field and they'll do whatever they are told as far as teaching. The admin constantly brings in the new hippest math program and it always falls flat on its face.
Common core is not indoctrination. It's just a crappy standard developed by academia that was falsely put forth as something that was effective. The problem is...there's no glory or money in doing things the old fashioned way.
Basically, my job as a parent has shifted from what it would have been 15 years ago....because I am forced to fill in all the voids in reading, writing, and math that the elementary school has failed to fill. The other alternative is to hire private tutors to supplement the instruction. For the most part, it's a system that has evolved on its own. There's no one entity to blame. Most people take zero interest in school policy, fail to vote in BOE elections. You get a bunch of unqualified people sitting on BOE boards throughout the country and this is what happens. The very best teachers in the school who do things the old fashioned way are looked upon from the outside and above like disgruntled workers who "refuse to change".
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marcus
2019 Dec 5, 6:11am
marcus
2019 Dec 5, 6:11am
WillPowers says
The author is possibly not the sharpest tool in the box.
Not that I'm the hugest fan of common core. But it's important to distinguish between arithmetic and Math. Although yes, in 2nd grade they are one and the same. But later, a lot of the arithmetic might be done either in your head - or with a calculator.
Common core is still going to teach the old school way to add, but when they a talking about is common sense reasoning, that is "adding steps," they're talking about guiding kids to do common sense reasoning sooner. And yes, it's how many (intelligent) adults would do the simple arithmetic in their head (although self learned).
If I asked you what is 87 plus 65. Many people would think: Well 87 is 13 away from 100, and 65 minus 13 is 52, so the answer is 152.
I don't think it's so terrible to have 7 or 8 year olds learning this kind of common sense reasoning, as long as they also learn the old school written way ( esp for adding 8987 + 5293).
theoakman says
Yeah, that's pretty true.
In Math some of the more legit changes are simply adaptation to technology. IT makes sense to spend less time on challenging level long division in 4th or 5th grade, and to probably spend zero time in high school learning to use a slide rule. Other benefits of calculators are that they eliminate the need for certain tables in trigonometry and statistics (not that their value is lost entirely). So other topics take the place of these.
Part of the problem from my view is designers of curriculum want to do too much, I guess becasue they can't agree on the highest priorities for a given grade. For example they want to include a surprising amount of geometry, probability and statistics in 7th grade, when it seems to me more time on pre-algebra is the obvious priority. Maybe this is in some way related to the fact that "tracking" fell out of favor in the education world, even though it is absolutely necessary in Math.
“That’s right, it’s absolutely true that Common Core does add steps, but I think that’s an improvement in a way, because it’s the way I do it in my head,” so it’s a way of learning to do math in your head?
The author is possibly not the sharpest tool in the box.
Not that I'm the hugest fan of common core. But it's important to distinguish between arithmetic and Math. Although yes, in 2nd grade they are one and the same. But later, a lot of the arithmetic might be done either in your head - or with a calculator.
Common core is still going to teach the old school way to add, but when they a talking about is common sense reasoning, that is "adding steps," they're talking about guiding kids to do common sense reasoning sooner. And yes, it's how many (intelligent) adults would do the simple arithmetic in their head (although self learned).
If I asked you what is 87 plus 65. Many people would think: Well 87 is 13 away from 100, and 65 minus 13 is 52, so the answer is 152.
I don't think it's so terrible to have 7 or 8 year olds learning this kind of common sense reasoning, as long as they also learn the old school written way ( esp for adding 8987 + 5293).
theoakman says
The older experienced ones ignore them. The younger ones that don't know any better drink the kool aid.
Yeah, that's pretty true.
In Math some of the more legit changes are simply adaptation to technology. IT makes sense to spend less time on challenging level long division in 4th or 5th grade, and to probably spend zero time in high school learning to use a slide rule. Other benefits of calculators are that they eliminate the need for certain tables in trigonometry and statistics (not that their value is lost entirely). So other topics take the place of these.
Part of the problem from my view is designers of curriculum want to do too much, I guess becasue they can't agree on the highest priorities for a given grade. For example they want to include a surprising amount of geometry, probability and statistics in 7th grade, when it seems to me more time on pre-algebra is the obvious priority. Maybe this is in some way related to the fact that "tracking" fell out of favor in the education world, even though it is absolutely necessary in Math.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 5, 8:16am
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 5, 8:16am
One way for states to create revenue and control education is to write their own textbooks and control their own curriculum.
Fuck Houghton-Mifflin.
No discussion of common core is possible without recognition much of it is powered by the desire to sell expensive textbooks.
Fuck Houghton-Mifflin.
No discussion of common core is possible without recognition much of it is powered by the desire to sell expensive textbooks.
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NuttBoxer
2019 Dec 5, 9:30am
NuttBoxer
2019 Dec 5, 9:30am
marcus says
They didn't teach my daughter anything in math. She went through the first five years without understanding how to do subtraction, or the difference in place values. But they did manage to send her home in Kindergarten with a solve for "x" problem. And that's where they're wrong. Children at that age are sponges for soaking up math facts through memorization, but are incapable, incapable of abstract learning. That doesn't happen until middle school, and that's why Common Core fails.
My daughter is currently attending Mathnasium, because even though she is now at a nationally ranked charter school, her teacher doesn't teach, just walks kids through a lesson plan, and has refused to work with my daughter one-on-one unless my daughter initiates every interaction. Which I could see if she was a bit older, but she's 10.
Common core is still going to teach the old school way to add, but when they a talking about is common sense reasoning, that is "adding steps," they're talking about guiding kids to do common sense reasoning sooner. And yes, it's how many (intelligent) adults would do the simple arithmetic in their head (although self learned).
They didn't teach my daughter anything in math. She went through the first five years without understanding how to do subtraction, or the difference in place values. But they did manage to send her home in Kindergarten with a solve for "x" problem. And that's where they're wrong. Children at that age are sponges for soaking up math facts through memorization, but are incapable, incapable of abstract learning. That doesn't happen until middle school, and that's why Common Core fails.
My daughter is currently attending Mathnasium, because even though she is now at a nationally ranked charter school, her teacher doesn't teach, just walks kids through a lesson plan, and has refused to work with my daughter one-on-one unless my daughter initiates every interaction. Which I could see if she was a bit older, but she's 10.
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Onvacation
2019 Dec 5, 9:41am
Onvacation
2019 Dec 5, 9:41am
marcus says
No. I would add 80 plus 60 and then add 7 plus 5 and then get the result by adding 12 to 140 to get 152. Adding is easier than subtracting. Just beCAUSE.
If I asked you what is 87 plus 65. Many people would think: Well 87 is 13 away from 100, and 65 minus 13 is 52, so the answer is 152.
No. I would add 80 plus 60 and then add 7 plus 5 and then get the result by adding 12 to 140 to get 152. Adding is easier than subtracting. Just beCAUSE.
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Ceffer
2019 Dec 5, 10:11am
Ceffer
2019 Dec 5, 10:11am
I'm so glad school didn't teach me racist arithmetic/math but gave me plenty of reasons to LUV the Great Socialist Paradise! Literacy is for sissies.
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WillPowers
2019 Dec 9, 8:47pm
WillPowers
2019 Dec 9, 8:47pm
theoakman says
Indoctrination works best when the subject is unaware he/she is being indoctrinated. If you trust them, they are after all just people, and I appreciate you worked in the school system and have an honest inside look, it is not the everyday Joe, like yourself that is aware of, or choosing to participate in, for surely you wouldn't if you thought something evil was going on, but the people on top who are running things. I believe they have ulterior motives, and one of their motives is to dumb down the population. Hypno-programmed people are easy to control and will do as the power establishment wants, including giving up their own personal rights as a citizen to become subservient slaves. Wouldn't you want that if you were a member of the powerful elite? Maybe not, because you were brought up with middle class values, but if you were raised a rich kid and taught to think like them, chances are, you would think differently.
I suspect you did not read the entire article. It is my fault for making it too long. You misunderstood what I meant by indoctrination. I'm not talking about another way of doing math. I'm willing to concede that perhaps learning to do math that requires more steps has it's merits, but then you see Onvaction's comments and you see there are people who can always find a faster way of solving a problem. What I'm talking about is THIS: (Quote form the article)
In the great State of Utah, Common Core teaches in a “Literature & Writing,” book about the most effective way to spur people into supporting activist causes.
From the text: “Remind students that emotional words appeal to readers’ emotions and feelings. Tell students that when they write a call to action, they should include emotional words to get readers to feel so strongly about the problem that they want to do what is being asked of them.”
From that, you see students protesting against the Master of Sillimin College at Yale, because he thought students should be allowed to wear any costume they want on Halloween and the students thought such restrictions on their free speech were warranted.
SEE: https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-core.html
So you see what the people administrating Common Core are doing? They are training children to be little activists to push for less civil liberties. That is how they are brainwashing the young and indoctrinating them into a society where they will have less freedoms and become a slave to the state.
Will Powers
Common core is not indoctrination
Indoctrination works best when the subject is unaware he/she is being indoctrinated. If you trust them, they are after all just people, and I appreciate you worked in the school system and have an honest inside look, it is not the everyday Joe, like yourself that is aware of, or choosing to participate in, for surely you wouldn't if you thought something evil was going on, but the people on top who are running things. I believe they have ulterior motives, and one of their motives is to dumb down the population. Hypno-programmed people are easy to control and will do as the power establishment wants, including giving up their own personal rights as a citizen to become subservient slaves. Wouldn't you want that if you were a member of the powerful elite? Maybe not, because you were brought up with middle class values, but if you were raised a rich kid and taught to think like them, chances are, you would think differently.
I suspect you did not read the entire article. It is my fault for making it too long. You misunderstood what I meant by indoctrination. I'm not talking about another way of doing math. I'm willing to concede that perhaps learning to do math that requires more steps has it's merits, but then you see Onvaction's comments and you see there are people who can always find a faster way of solving a problem. What I'm talking about is THIS: (Quote form the article)
In the great State of Utah, Common Core teaches in a “Literature & Writing,” book about the most effective way to spur people into supporting activist causes.
From the text: “Remind students that emotional words appeal to readers’ emotions and feelings. Tell students that when they write a call to action, they should include emotional words to get readers to feel so strongly about the problem that they want to do what is being asked of them.”
From that, you see students protesting against the Master of Sillimin College at Yale, because he thought students should be allowed to wear any costume they want on Halloween and the students thought such restrictions on their free speech were warranted.
SEE: https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-core.html
So you see what the people administrating Common Core are doing? They are training children to be little activists to push for less civil liberties. That is how they are brainwashing the young and indoctrinating them into a society where they will have less freedoms and become a slave to the state.
Will Powers
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CBOEtrader
2019 Dec 9, 8:57pm
CBOEtrader
2019 Dec 9, 8:57pm
theoakman says
Health insurance exec?
Educational theory is easily the 2nd most intellectually dishonest profession behind economics.
Health insurance exec?
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marcus
2019 Dec 9, 9:45pm
marcus
2019 Dec 9, 9:45pm
WillPowers says
The excerpt you talked about is one small tidbit that isn't enough to suggest that promoting activism and training kids to be activists is a major theme in common core. But also, if it was, it's a HUGE leap to suggest that just becasue those asinine kids at yale seemed dowright stupid about what they wanted to protest, that common core taught them that. (also those kids at yale were pre-common core)
If kids learn a little about their rights as americans to protest or to be activists, it's anyone guess what they will choose as important issues, if they do one day become activists about an issue.
You would be hard pressed to find training oriented towards teaching kids to be overly sensitive to microaggressions or worse to actually protest against free speech (which yes, some SJWs do these days.
So you see what the people administrating Common Core are doing? They are training children to be little activists to push for less civil liberties.
The excerpt you talked about is one small tidbit that isn't enough to suggest that promoting activism and training kids to be activists is a major theme in common core. But also, if it was, it's a HUGE leap to suggest that just becasue those asinine kids at yale seemed dowright stupid about what they wanted to protest, that common core taught them that. (also those kids at yale were pre-common core)
If kids learn a little about their rights as americans to protest or to be activists, it's anyone guess what they will choose as important issues, if they do one day become activists about an issue.
You would be hard pressed to find training oriented towards teaching kids to be overly sensitive to microaggressions or worse to actually protest against free speech (which yes, some SJWs do these days.
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WillPowers
2019 Dec 10, 7:50pm
WillPowers
2019 Dec 10, 7:50pm
marcus says
True, but before Common Core in 2013 - 2015 there was No Child Left Behind, another Bush area program that was no doubt just as bad. The fact is this government top-down take over of the education system has been going on for a long time. As the OakMan said, the "crappy education system" has "everything to do with academia at the collegiate level." I think it also has to do with government control, but it also has to do with college professors in college, preaching their socialist/communist, both discredited forms of government, crap!
Of course, this is what I'm saying, these institutions from grade school to college are pushing your kids into thinking giving up their civil liberties is a good thing because this country was founded on the backs of slaves and the founding fathers were a bunch of racist landowners. Ive heard such language coming out of the mouth of a Stanford student and Baptist minister.
You can read about him here: https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2018/05/gregory-stevens.html
I understand more evidence is necessary and my illustration only represents a small sample of the entire field across the country, but do you really believe this is an isolated incident? A mere pin prick of the entire tumor is all doctors need to see whether it is cancerous or not. Do you think this is any different?
, but I half to say, if I had kids, I would be divided about not sending them to school and depriving them of the opportunities of social interaction.
those kids at yale were pre-common core
True, but before Common Core in 2013 - 2015 there was No Child Left Behind, another Bush area program that was no doubt just as bad. The fact is this government top-down take over of the education system has been going on for a long time. As the OakMan said, the "crappy education system" has "everything to do with academia at the collegiate level." I think it also has to do with government control, but it also has to do with college professors in college, preaching their socialist/communist, both discredited forms of government, crap!
Of course, this is what I'm saying, these institutions from grade school to college are pushing your kids into thinking giving up their civil liberties is a good thing because this country was founded on the backs of slaves and the founding fathers were a bunch of racist landowners. Ive heard such language coming out of the mouth of a Stanford student and Baptist minister.
You can read about him here: https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2018/05/gregory-stevens.html
I understand more evidence is necessary and my illustration only represents a small sample of the entire field across the country, but do you really believe this is an isolated incident? A mere pin prick of the entire tumor is all doctors need to see whether it is cancerous or not. Do you think this is any different?
, but I half to say, if I had kids, I would be divided about not sending them to school and depriving them of the opportunities of social interaction.
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marcus
2019 Dec 10, 9:24pm
marcus
2019 Dec 10, 9:24pm
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Yes, of course nobody would expect an extremely popular, erudite and articulate two term ex-President's memoirs to be a profitable book deal. It's not like different publishers were bidding against eachother for that. It must be some kind of payola.
Also, I would love to see the documentation on Pearson's common core textbook deals being some sort of a direct gift from Obama.
Yes, of course nobody would expect an extremely popular, erudite and articulate two term ex-President's memoirs to be a profitable book deal. It's not like different publishers were bidding against eachother for that. It must be some kind of payola.
Also, I would love to see the documentation on Pearson's common core textbook deals being some sort of a direct gift from Obama.
Beyond belief what a relative of mine said in response to the fact Common Core math actually adds steps to the process of adding and subtracting, making the process longer. As a mother of two young children, she said, “That’s right, it’s absolutely true that Common Core does add steps, but I think that’s an improvement in a way, because it’s the way I do it in my head,” so it’s a way of learning to do math in your head?
You see, my relative is more accepting of the educational system than I, because it has very successfully dumbed down the population. I would be just as brainwashed as my younger relative if I didn’t know someone who took the time to WAKE ME UP and show me how the schools and the media are constantly propagandizing people. It took me a long time to come around and face the truth. When you believe a lie your whole life, the truth sounds like a lie.
She went through the same mind control system that she is now sending her kids into. She doesn’t think they will turn out to be “drones,” as she put it, but being a drone is exactly what they will become, another cog in the machinery of the corporate controlled world.
The right wing movement is largely against the federal government being involved in education, and their worst fears have been realized. The schools are being used to propagandize the youth with left-wing activism.
Common Core “Read-Alouds and Writing Projects” in “Good Neighbors Voices” trains impressionable young minds to be good activists. It tells teachers how to show students what words are most effective in spurring people into supporting activist causes. So by time they go to college, they are protesting against their right to wear any costume they want on Halloween.
Students end up protesting against their own interests, because the education system has failed them. Instead of teaching them anything practical, or inspirational, they learned how to shut down free speech, without voicing a valid counter argument.
Read the WHOLE ARTICLE Here: https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-core.html