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All chest thumping and stupid memes aside. If you were the ayatollah and the man who is widely agreed to be 2nd most powerful in Iran was just assasinated at Trump's command. And the agreement not to build nukes was pulled out of by Trump. And you watch Trump sucking Kim's dick because he has nukes. It dont take a fucking genius to say I want nukes. Would Trump assassinate me if I had a nuke? No he would suck my dick too and maybe throw in a rim job for good measure.

So where does that lead us? WMD all over again and another war just like Pompeo, Cotton and fan boy Graham have been pushing for. Trump is clearly suffering from dementia...he forgot he didnt want a war.

Chiromancer says

All chest thumping and stupid memes aside. If you were the ayatollah and the man who is widely agreed to be 2nd most powerful in Iran was just assasinated at Trump's command. And the agreement not to build nukes was pulled out of by Trump. And you watch Trump sucking Kim's dick because he has nukes. It dont take a fucking genius to say I want nukes. Would Trump assassinate me if I had a nuke? No he would suck my dick too and maybe throw in a rim job for good measure.

So where does that lead us? WMD all over again and another war just like Pompeo, Cotton and fan boy Graham have been pushing for. Trump is clearly suffering from dementia...he forgot he didnt want a war.

No. There's nothing wrong with taking out a mass murderer and give justice to his victims as long as you don't start a war. If Iran starts one it's not the US fault. It's much better to take out assholes than innocent people. So that all assholes in the word are put on notice their day of reckoning may be coming soon. Hurray for precision targeted drone strikes!

#MAGA

mell says

as long as you don't start a war. If Iran starts one it's not the US fault

Right, they started it. So that makes it ok however this turns out. What do we need to do to "have started it"?. Does it matter to the people killed in Iraq that Sadam was a mass killer, gassed his own people. They are dead, the country a wreck, America is trillions in debt with a bunch of PSTD service people with missing limbs, that worked out great. Sure Iranian regime is terrible, so was the dude killed. Is this so called new great Trump America going to war over that?
The American people, will not buy it twice, save the neo cons and Trump chest thumpers.

Chiromancer says

mell says

as long as you don't start a war. If Iran starts one it's not the US fault

Right, they started it. So that makes it ok however this turns out. What do we need to do to "have started it"?. Does it matter to the people killed in Iraq that Sadam was a mass killer, gassed his own people. They are dead, the country a wreck, America is trillions in debt with a bunch of PSTD service people with missing limbs, that out worked great. Sure Iranian regime is terrible, so was the dude killed. Is this so called new great Trump America going to war over that?
The American people, will not buy it twice, save the neo cons and Trump chest thumpers.

Iraq was an unnecessary ground troop war - killing single assholes/dictators can be quite strategic besides delivering justice. Nobody said the US is going to invade Iran and they won't. This comparison is useless. Also Saddam was strategically important for the region as a counterweight to all the radical Islamists. Like those in Iran.

mell says

Nobody said the US is going to invade Iran and they won't. This comparison is useless.

Not necessarily up to the U.S. how this plays out. Anyone who believes they can predict the outcome is a fool. i don't know and you don"t know. Trump doesn't know and neither do the generals. But I will make an educated guess, just a guess. Make one, beg, borrow or steal Iran is going to do everthing possible to get a nuke. The great equalizer. How's Trump going to stop that?

Chiromancer says

mell says

Nobody said the US is going to invade Iran and they won't. This comparison is useless.

Not necessarily up to the U.S. how this plays out. Anyone who believes they can predict the outcome is a fool. i don't know and you don"t know. Trump doesn't know and neither do the generals. But I will make an educated guess, just a guess. Make one, beg, borrow or steal Iran is going to do everthing possible to get a nuke. The great equalizer. How's Trump going to stop that?

So nothing has changed. Good. Iran has always done everything to get a nuke. The world will have to deal with Iran then when the time comes. In the meantime one brutal asshole psychotic mass murderer less meeting his maker. Net positive.

RC2006 says

Why only SA this and that, like Israel didn't want this even more.

You're right.

Both Israel and Saudi Arabia dearly want the US to waste the lives of US soldiers invading Iran so that they can feel more secure.

American foreign policy is deeply corrupted both by AIPAC and Saudi money. Sad but true.

Salami was a good object lesson. Kim was watching also.

‘I Was So Happy’: Local Iranians React To Death Of Soleimani

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/01/03/i-was-so-happy-local-iranians-react-to-death-of-solemani/

“Nobody likes people get killed, but this person had a lot of history behind him, and that’s why it makes everybody happy,” he said.

Nooshin Mashkaty, a NASA engineer who was born in Iran but moved to Los Angeles as a child for school, agreed.

“Having a terrorist pay his due is a very happy moment,” she said. “Soleimani is the brain behind all of the terrorist attack, internal and external, so you could imagine how everyone was happy. He not only has killed many Americans, he’s killed many Iranians and many other people around the world.”

mell says

The world will have to deal with Iran then when the time comes.

You mean our allies who wern't informed and are not supportive of the killing and were trying to keep the deal with Iran intact? What Trump has done is take any negotiated deal off the table,.we pretty much own this problem now. Trump has no coherent strategy to deal with Iran. Anyway we will see how it plays out. Nothing any of us can do about it.

Chiromancer says

mell says

The world will have to deal with Iran then when the time comes.

You mean our allies who wern't informed and are not supportive of the killing and were trying to keep the deal with Iran intact? What Trump has done is take any negotiated deal off the table,.we pretty much own this problem now. Trump has no coherent strategy to deal with Iran. Anyway we will see how it plays out. Nothing any of us can do about it.

Because Iran always was trying to get nukes asap nothing has changed except for the fact that someone showed them they're serious. Good for the US allies.

Bath House Barry threatened to shoot down Israels missile if they tried to take out General Fuckface Salami, back in 2015.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/01/obama-stopped-israel-from-killing-soleimani-in-2015-threatened-to-shoot-down-iaf-strike-on-iran

Chiromancer says

Trump has no coherent strategy to deal with Iran.

How do you know? You have an opinion with no basis in understanding anything about any of it. This might be the move that stabilizes the middle east and you're monday morning quarterbacking like you know anything about it. So sick of people jumping to conclusions on stuff they know NOTHING about. Just say you hate Trump and move along.

Chiromancer says

All chest thumping and stupid memes aside

Do you even lift, Bro?

Chiromancer says

If you were the ayatollah and the man who is widely agreed to be 2nd most powerful in Iran was just assasinated at Trump's command.

Think about that.

If you were the Ayatollah, and you were barely hanging on to power to the extent your religious police had to shoot 1000 protesters in the past few weeks, maybe having "somebody" get rid of a guy who is pushing for MORE expensive foreign interventions is a good thing for you.

WookieMan says

How do you know?

Because he and members of his cabinet have never articulated an Iran strategy. Other than Obama bad. Sure I guess it could be " tip top sekret" like his ISIS plan that was to continue Obama's but fuck the Kurds after the job is mostly done; but not likely because Trump can't keep his pie hole shut about anything. If you know what it is share, perhaps a tiny hint of strategy, other than blow up a guy and see what happens? Do you know? Because blind faith in the foreign policy of a man who doesnt read, needs cartoon representation of his daily briefs, blabs top secret information to the Russians in the oval office is nauseating.

NoCoupForYou says

Think about that.

Somebody probably sold the dude out. Glad he's gone just not the way it was done.

Chiromancer says

Because he and members of his cabinet have never articulated an Iran strategy.

When and why would a POTUS or his cabinet announce strategy against an enemy? Is that logical? I don't think Obama was bad, but his red line was clearly fake when he stated his "strategy" with Syria, so there's that. I don't actually have much of a problem with Obama, but he took it up the butt with Iran and I think even in Democrat circles that's obvious.

Problem is most Dems don't have a thumb apparently as they always try to point the finger. Seeing it again with impeachment and now pointing it at Trump for Obama's failed policies with Iran. LOL until you puke if you ever thought Iran stopped nuke exploration by PAYING them. Seriously....?!?

If Trump informed Congress, Omar and Taliban would have ran to the Iranians and warned them.

Propaganda in full swing now. NPR now now saying Trump targeting 52 cultural sites in Iran.

RC2006 says

Propaganda in full swing now. NPR now now saying Trump targeting 52 cultural sites in Iran.

Yep.

Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, wept openly at the funeral for Gen. Qassem Soleimani. His tears give insight into how the death of the commander killed in a U.S. strike is being felt personally by the supreme leader. https://t.co/JuUCNNtyxQ— The Associated Press (@AP) January 6, 2020

It's almost as if the Media is on the side of Austere Religious Scholars.

"Did you ever stop to think how the Ayatollah would feel? He's crying - shame on you!"

www.youtube.com/embed/JXkN3nJyWEA

"Revered"

Ehem...

"At this point, WHAT difference, DOES It MAKE!?"

WookieMan says

When and why would a POTUS or his cabinet announce strategy against an enemy? Is that logical?

It is not logical if you want to go to war, per Pompeo, Bolton and others. It is logical if you wish to settle the dispute without violence. Trump has been all over the place. This is not helpful. At base he doesn't want war, but IMO he is completely out of his element and sphere of knowledge and is floundering in a very dangerous way. Even our allies have no idea of what he will do. And no, he isnt playing multi dimensional chess, he seems to acting on the impulse of the moment.
This link explores the subject if you are interested.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/world/middleeast/trump-iran-soleimani-strategy.html

Chiromancer says

At base he doesn't want war, but IMO he is completely out of his element and sphere of knowledge and is floundering in a very dangerous way.

Let me get this straight. You know, in your opinion, that someone you've never met is out of their element and knowledge? You know the knowledge he has with Iran? I get the skepticism and it may bear out to be warranted after WMD and Bush II, but you or I simply don't know. Hard to make these proclamations when you or I know shit about what Trump based his decision on.

Ultimately I think everyone can agree the ME is a shit hole right now. One of those bad actors was the guy we knocked out. Iran's economy blows and there is internal unrest and protest. Maybe this was just the time to act? They can't risk a war and their retaliation will likely be an attack on more oil infrastructure in the region (land or sea) to pump prices to those they sell to. Ultimately that pisses off their customer, but whatever.

Iran is in a lose/lose situation and I'm guessing that may have played into the decision along with a ton of other shit we all have no idea about.

WookieMan says

Let me get this straight. You know, in your opinion, that someone you've never met is out of their element and knowledge? You know the knowledge he has with Iran? I

Dude I did preface the remark by IMO, of course it's not the word of God, but it's an opinion formulated by listening , watching, reading and thinking. If you have any evidence to the contrary please present I am open to being convinced that Trump has an understanding of Iran and a sensible plan and strategy, short of war, to keep Iran from getting a Nuke. Because isnt that all we should care about? What can they do to really hurt Americans in mass and to cripple our actions without a nuke?
But you seem great at critiquing my criticism of Trumps understanding and abilities without presenting a scintilla of evidence to the contrary. Send me an interview where he makes the case for his understanding and strategy or even formulates one in a reasonably coherent fashion.