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marcus says

Death rate might be something like 3% for someone 65 instead of 1% (or less) for someone 40.

These are just confirmed cases though, but what else do we have to go on. Shows 2.6% for someone 65 and .31% for someone 40:


If you count the total number of deaths is pretty small.

Looks like Europe has peaked folks. We should be next in a few days or weeks. Good news.

marcus says

Death rate might be something like 3% for someone 65 instead of 1% (or less) for someone 40.

From a peer-reviewed Imperial College paper:



Below age of 40 people are very safe.

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/03/20/why-italy/

Why Italy?

* Hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrants now live both legally and illegally in Italy, with 300K legally registered and many more illegal.

* Italy recently entered into a new economic partnership with China called “One belt, One road”

* China has revitalized northern Italian ports in order to transport goods more efficiently to the rest of Europe

*The mayor of Florence initiated a social media campaign called “Hug a Chinese” using Chinese produced video as an engine to dispel the “racism” against the Chinese in Italy

Thirty years ago, Italy saw the beginnings of what would become a serious issue with illegal immigration. What was surprising, was that the immigrants couldn’t just walk over a border to enter the country, they had to flock from China. It began with Italians hiring the Chinese off the books at cheap wages to work making garments in towns and villages renowned for their craftmanship, and morphed into Italians seeing the Chinese learn how to do it faster and cheaper; often times watching as their family owned businesses were shuttered because they were outbid. The Chinese took over the Italian craft and made it their own. What didn’t change was the coveted “Made in Italy” label. The NY Times began documenting the trend in 2010 writing:

Over the years, Italy learned the difficult lesson that it could no longer compete with China on price. And so, its business class dreamed, Italy would sell quality, not quantity. For centuries, this walled medieval city just outside of Florence has produced some of the world’s finest fabrics, becoming a powerhouse for “Made in Italy” chic.

And then, China came here.

Chinese laborers, first a few immigrants, then tens of thousands, began settling in Prato in the late 1980s. They transformed the textile hub into a low-end garment manufacturing capital, enriching many, stoking resentment and prompting recent crackdowns that in turn have brought cries of bigotry and hypocrisy.

The city is now home to the largest concentration of Chinese in Europe; some legal, many more not. Here in the heart of Tuscany, Chinese laborers work round the clock in some 3,200 businesses making low-end clothes, shoes and accessories, often with materials imported from China, for sale at midprice and low-end retailers worldwide.

The trend continued as whole villages in Italy became Chinese villages, with the Chinese displacing the Italians who lived there, creating their own neighborhoods, and pushing out decades of Italian family owned business. They weren’t known for following the rules. It caused much local consternation; the Italians were forced to pay their taxes and follow the employment guidelines, while the Chinese seemed to have built flourishing enterprises by skirting the rules, treating their people poorly, and engaging in rich human smuggling operations, to boot. There was little accountability for the Chinese, and much for the native Italians.

Most of Europe will come in around 10%-15%, some below 10%. Here in the US it looks like only NY and NJ are still on accelerated or steady growth.

Korea, Italy, and the Netherlands have all reported that the number of new cases has dropped.

But US numbers got much worse overnight, mostly because of New York.

Harvey Weinstein gets back in the news by the only means possible at this moment. https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Harvey-Weinstein-Tests-Positive-for-Coronavirus-15149718.php

georgeliberte says

Harvey Weinstein gets back in the news by the only means possible at this moment. https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Harvey-Weinstein-Tests-Positive-for-Coronavirus-15149718.php

How the fuck did he get his hands on tests which are still scarce? While being behind bars too boot?

Gilead Suspends Access to Remdesivir Due to 'Overwhelming Demand' for the Experimental COVID-19 Treatment

Probably a sign that it's working.

TEOTWAWKI says

georgeliberte says

Harvey Weinstein gets back in the news by the only means possible at this moment. https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Harvey-Weinstein-Tests-Positive-for-Coronavirus-15149718.php

How the fuck did he get his hands on tests which are still scarce?

Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested

CovfefeButDeadly says

Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested

Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.

TEOTWAWKI says

CovfefeButDeadly says

Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested

Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.

I know Shaman has some issues with getting tested, but I've yet to know anyone personally that hasn't been able to get tested if they wanted to. I don't know how or why, IL had labs that could handle the testing from day one though supposedly. So it might just be lab capability or equipment in the area? I don't claim to know, but I think that's the big issue with this virus. Lots of shit being thrown at the wall to see what sticks and no one knows what to believe. It feeds into people's panic.

TEOTWAWKI says

CovfefeButDeadly says

Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested

Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.

Google it and all the news is old, even the LA times reports from yesterday. US media is absolute garbage.

There are tests galore for anyone with symptoms or at risk who has been exposed.

TEOTWAWKI says

How the fuck did he get his hands on tests which are still scarce? While being behind bars too boot?

"Harvey Weinstein died today of Coronavirus. He rolled off the prison hospital bed and his neck caught an electric cord, which explains the markings on his neck."

Meanwhile, Democrats hold up Stimulus Package in order to sneak in controversial legislation including same day voter registration, which of course gives election officials little chance to investigate fraud or ineligibility due to other factors like felonies or non-citizenship.

CovfefeButDeadly says

TEOTWAWKI says

CovfefeButDeadly says

Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested

Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.

Google it and all the news is old, even the LA times reports from yesterday. US media is absolute garbage.

Here are a bunch of places doing testing in the Bay Area:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Where-can-I-get-a-coronavirus-test-in-the-Bay-15136054.php

Yes, the media is deliberately stoking panic for political reasons. And because attention is their currency.

NoCoupForYou says

Meanwhile, Democrats hold up Stimulus Package in order to sneak in controversial legislation including same day voter registration, which of course gives election officials little chance to investigate fraud or ineligibility due to other factors like felonies or non-citizenship.

Dems are complete fucking assholes!!!

TEOTWAWKI says

I'm sure the data is correct, but I don't intend for my 15-18 year old to have left the nest. It would be interesting to see 19-29 numbers. I'll be 48-49 when my youngest should technically leave the nest. So even if something similar comes around then, I'd still be very low risk for death. 25-29 year old kids, sure, I'd be more at risk being 55-60.

Do Italians have kids later in life or something? Does grandpa and granny stay with the kids as they slowly die for support on their end and to help with grandkids? I have never been, so I have a jaded and inaccurate view of Europe. For some reason I feel like there's a stereotype where the young either live with or visit the old a lot.

WookieMan says

I have never been, so I have a jaded and inaccurate view of Europe. For some reason I feel like there's a stereotype where the young either live with or visit the old a lot.

I've been to Italy but only as a tourist, so my first-hand knowledge of their typical living situation is pretty much non-existent.

There is now a 'Now' and 'Yesterday' button to compare for the US - very useful.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Trump's press conference was FINALLY where he needed to go today. Fucking A finally.

True fatality percentage keeps falling as more information comes in:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate

Enter the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Quarantined at sea off Japan after a passenger tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the ship became a natural data lab where nearly everyone was tested and few cases of infection were missed.

Infections and deaths onboard suggest that the disease’s true fatality ratio in China is about 0.5 percent, though that number may vary from place to place, researchers report March 9 in a paper posted at MedRxiv.org.

That 0.5 percent is far less than the 3.4 percent of confirmed cases that end in death cited by the World Health Organization, but troubling nonetheless.

Patrick says

That 0.5 percent is far less than the 3.4 percent of confirmed cases that end in death cited by the World Health Organization, but troubling nonetheless.

Demographics have to be accounted for as well on the cruise ship. Don't want to see my mom die, but the solution is just not seeing anyone above 60 and everyone stays clean. It's not that complicated. Glad Trump finally hinted that this cannot go on for months.

Have a trip planned to Mexico for the first week of June. My mom was going to watch my kids. Change of plans, we'll have to deal with it and figure something else out. It's not like this won't affect younger people regardless of everyone going back to work. Grandpa and granny were very big parts in many peoples lives as far as child care. They're gonna have to be out for a while.

A retired or disabled 60+ something person really should have ZERO expectation that the world will stop for them. Especially in cases where it was self induced (smoking, diabetes, etc).

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Yeah, but the President and his friends, half of congress, and a majority of billionaires are 60+

marcus says

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Yeah, but the President and his friends, half of congress, and a majority of billionaires are 60+

They are already isolated from the common folks as it is. It's not like there is a chance you'll have an opportunity to sneeze on Nancy the Lizard during your morning BART commute, is there?

marcus says

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Yeah, but the President and his friends, half of congress, and a majority of billionaires are 60+

So? Adjust rules and make emergency (and temporary) ways for congress to continue working. It's not difficult with technology. You could verify congressional votes with biometrics the government likely already has. It's not complicated. You can open a fucking phone with your face as early as 2018....

I also don't care about billionaires. They die, the money goes to someone that will spend it. Who the fuck cares? Death is bad, but as the previous comment says, they're very likely isolated in multi-million dollar homes in gated communities. They're the least at risk by a long shot. And again, who cares.

Even when the POTUS makes the right decision or has a good idea, you will find a fault with it. Get over it. He's the President and you lost. 3.5 fucking years of this and you'll politicize a fucking pandemic? Low class shit right there.

WookieMan says

Even when the POTUS makes the right decision or has a good idea, you will find a fault with it.

Wtf ? You think this was an argument ?

marcus says

Yeah, but the President and his friends, half of congress, and a majority of billionaires are 60+

It was meant more as an (half joking) explanation. A cynical or satirical comment. But also maybe something for you to work in to one of your obsessions Patrick. You shouldn't even be reacting to this comment. So STFU.

And by the way, I more of less complemented Trump as much as I can in a comment to TPB today.

marcus says

Wtf ? You think this was an argument ?

Do you? Where did I say it was an argument? Even when you "kind of" agree, there's a caveat to it 98% of the time. Sometimes a simple yes or no is easy enough. Not a yes, but..... response. That's your typical agreement or complement during the rare time it happens.

You don't like Trump, but you personally know he's handling this well enough. You know it's not Trump's job to run all the hospitals in the country. You wouldn't want that. At some point hospital leaders and state leaders need to up their game and stop pushing their failures up the chain. Get something done. By all metrics the Federal government is doing what it should

I haven't left the house in 8 fucking days. Doing my part because a bunch of older pieces of shit can't follow directions and have a death wish. Let them die. We need to move on from this bull shit. Anything Trump does you're at minimum 50% going to dislike it up to 100% (most of the time). Just don't comment on these threads anymore if you're just going to spew one sided BS that is all emotional and feelings. That is pointless with this topic.

I don't understand shutting down the country for fat fuck, diabetic, smokers that are old and likely at deaths door anyway. Good riddance people are retarded.