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Corona virus (more correctly, Wuhan virus)


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2020 Jan 24, 12:33pm   187,771 views  3,363 comments

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Anyone wants to risk a bet on the eventual number of sick people? Dead people?

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1276   Patrick   2020 Mar 30, 9:44am  

https://spectator.us/uk-coronavirus-cases-slowing-key-adviser-reveals/

In the UK we can see some early signs of slowing in some indicators. Less so deaths, because deaths are lagged by a long time from when measures come in force. But if we look at the numbers of new hospital admissions, that does appear to be slowing down a little bit now. It has not yet plateaued, so still the numbers can be increasing each day, but the rate of that increase has slowed.


US also kinda looks like it's nearing a peak:

1279   Misc   2020 Mar 30, 12:45pm  

No mention of heart disease, cancer or car accidents.
1280   joshuatrio   2020 Mar 30, 12:47pm  

Misc says
No mention of heart disease, cancer or car accidents.


My thoughts exactly. Doom and gloom graphic for sure.
1281   Booger   2020 Mar 30, 3:37pm  

https://www.dailywire.com/news/woman-who-ate-fish-tank-cleaner-blamed-trump-donated-thousands-to-democrat-causes

Woman Who Ate Fish Tank Cleaner, Blamed Trump, Donated Thousands To Democrat Causes
1282   RWSGFY   2020 Mar 30, 3:44pm  

Misc says
No mention of heart disease, cancer or car accidents.


Sorry, but mentioning car accidents in the context of disease is as idiotic as donkeys insistance on making deaths resulting from meeting a bullet a "national health issue". THESE ARE NOT APPLICABLE.

And it's pretty obvious that the graph is intended to compare INFECTIOUS diseases, not just any kind of disease, accidental death or suicide.
1283   mell   2020 Mar 30, 4:30pm  

TEOTWAWKI says
Misc says
No mention of heart disease, cancer or car accidents.


Sorry, but mentioning car accidents in the context of disease is as idiotic as donkeys insistance on making deaths resulting from meeting a bullet a "national health issue". THESE ARE NOT APPLICABLE.

And it's pretty obvious that the graph is intended to compare INFECTIOUS diseases, not just any kind of disease, accidental death or suicide.


The problem with that graph is that many of the other diseases actually kill completely healthy people whereas Covid-19 is like the flu or a bad cold / pneumonia that kills still too many but is just a co-factor for many killed. In this graph all deaths for people are attributed to Covid-19 just because the patient was positive at time of death. They don't do this for other diseases. Furthermore many people dying of these other diseases are never tested, e.g. the flu. Many flu / cold and other deaths go unnoticed since the patient was never tested for that specific microbe. That effect is called "observation bias". Nonetheless it's a serious illness for many.
1284   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Mar 30, 4:31pm  

Booger says
Woman Who Ate Fish Tank Cleaner, Blamed Trump, Donated Thousands To Democrat Causes


HOLY FUCK. Her case of TDS is among the worst:



https://www.dailywire.com/news/woman-who-ate-fish-tank-cleaner-blamed-trump-donated-thousands-to-democrat-causes
1285   RWSGFY   2020 Mar 30, 4:44pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Booger says
Woman Who Ate Fish Tank Cleaner, Blamed Trump, Donated Thousands To Democrat Causes


HOLY FUCK. Her case of TDS is among the worst:



https://www.dailywire.com/news/woman-who-ate-fish-tank-cleaner-blamed-trump-donated-thousands-to-democrat-causes


#stupidcunt
1286   Patrick   2020 Mar 30, 5:10pm  

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device

Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face
1288   RWSGFY   2020 Mar 30, 6:24pm  

Patrick says
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device

Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face


#fuckingmoron
1289   Patrick   2020 Mar 30, 6:31pm  

Lol, the Taiwanese news has no problem at all with the factually correct "Wuhan virus" name:

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/index

Hong Kong cancels Legislative Council assembly as Wuhan virus infections top 600

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Hong Kong's Legislative Council Secretariat has announced it is can...


It's only the American elite (almost all Democrats!) who reject the truth, so that they can more quickly get back to fucking the working class with Chinese imports.
1292   mell   2020 Mar 30, 7:47pm  

Patrick says


Rubio is right.

The mainstream media played this for all it was worth.


I'm pretty sure China did not test people with mild or no symptoms since they enacted sweeping lockdowns anyways, so it didn't matter. They also used lung scans, so patients had to be sick. It's really despicable to see the amount of glee and sensationalism. Oh and btw. many many more people died of heart attack and cancer and other shit the past 2 months, but walking/running for the "cure" is so out these days when we can drool over the still relatively few Covid-19 deaths because orange! man! bad! The leftoid lamestream media and their enablers really have a special screw loose.
1293   Patrick   2020 Mar 30, 8:30pm  

Huh, now it looks like the wife of the guy who died from the fish tank cleaner might perhaps have deliberately killed him.

And - she's a big Democratic donor lately.

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1244782103839019008
1294   Patrick   2020 Mar 30, 10:50pm  

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52092898

The growth in coronavirus cases in hard-hit Spain appears to be slowing, the country's foreign minister has told the BBC.

Another 6,400 cases were confirmed on Monday, the lowest increase in new cases for a week. The total of deaths reached 7,340 after 812 new fatalities.
1295   Patrick   2020 Mar 31, 12:54am  

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/leaked-audio-kennedy-center-president-deployed-lobbyist-to-secure-25-million-in-coronavirus-stimulus-but-not-a-cent-for-workers/

As the Gateway Pundit previously reported, the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts infamously received a controversial $25 million from Democrats in the coronavirus relief package — and just hours later they told their performers and employees that they will not be getting paychecks. ...

Rutter also discussed how they deployed a lobbyist to get them the money from the stimulus package, seemingly with no intention of using it to protect the jobs of their staff.
1297   zzyzzx   2020 Apr 1, 8:54am  

https://noqreport.com/2020/04/01/its-time-for-reparations-from-china/

It’s time for reparations… from China

Lancet published a study indicating that the Chinese Communist Party is directly culpable for 95% of all COVID 19 cases worldwide. The CCP delayed quarantine measures in Hubai Province by three extra weeks, allowing five million travelers to enter and leave the hot zone, distributing Wuhan Flu widely around the world. Along with this malfeasance, the CCP also falsified information about the disease and its prevalence. All of this information slowed the response, killing more people.

The US Government has appropriated over $2 trillion to respond to the pandemic, of which 95% is directly attributable to CCP misconduct. In legal language, the CCP has committed a tort against America. If a US magistrate were to conclude that the CCP and its proxies, the Peoples’ Liberation Army and CCP-owned businesses, were at fault in this injury, then it would be possible to have a $2 trillion judgment against the CCP.

There are several possible ways to do this. The simplest is by Presidential Declaration. This has the awful side effect of eliminating a lot of President Trump’s negotiating room. The second obvious approach is a lawsuit. This would take forever winding through the Courts, and while this is happening, Treasury securities held by the Chinese will be progressively redeemed, doing nothing for the US.

The third way is one that is common in US political theater. In this case, either the Treasury Department or the Department of Health and Human Services (or both!) creates an administrative hearing on the complaint. The outcome is a foregone conclusion. The CCP is hit with an administrative penalty of $2 trillion. Note that this isn’t even in the same zip code as the military or cyber. It’s from an administrative law court. Please note that this isn’t an issue of a default by the Federal Government. It’s recovering a bad debt.

Now comes the fun. All of the $1.08 trillion in Chinese-held Treasuries is ultimately under the control of our Treasury Department. When a T-bill or bond is redeemed at maturity, the Treasury gives the money to the holder. That means that the Treasury has complete control over $1.08 trillion in Chinese money. And that gives it a host of options.

The first step is to demand satisfaction of the judgment. The CCP will almost certainly tell Secretary Mnuchin to pound sand. They don’t have the cash, and “it would be an act of war” to require them to pay funds that “they don’t owe.” At that point, he will freeze all the Chinese assets. This brings them to the table. Absolutely anything becomes possible here.

Secretary Mnuchin can remind the Chinese, in a most public manner, of how they lied to the world about the virus, refused to quarantine Wuhan, are continuing to lie about their malevolent acts, and are actively pursuing cyber warfare against the West regarding the virus. “By the way, the $2 trillion is just the first tranche of damages against the CCP.”

The Chinese economy is already in shambles, and US Treasury instruments are the reserves that prop it up. If we find the CCP in default on the judgment, we have the right to seize those reserves to satisfy it. This is a fundamental premise in law. If the Court finds against me, the plaintiff has the right to take my property if I don’t pay.

Now we have to assess how this plays out. If we void all the $1.08 trillion of debt at once, China crashes. They will take it as an act of war. Wounded animals don’t play nice. Especially ones with sharp claws. So here is where Trump steps in. He has a good personal relationship with Xi, and perhaps he can persuade him to take actions we’d like.

Maybe the disputed islands in the South China Sea can become joint Coast Guard bases. Perhaps instead of all at once, the Treasury securities can simply be as they come due to pay down the judgment. That would spread the pain over ten years or so. We could offer to roll short term notes at higher rates for longer (30 years?) notes at minimal interest. Either option would help our debt and debt service. What’s not to like about cutting our debt by a trillion or so?

Can Xi save enough face to stay in power? The President will obviously be concerned with pushing him just hard enough to get concessions. Or will the Chinese society convulse as its economy implodes?

There aren’t any clear answers. But an administrative order for Chinese reparations might give Donald Trump the leverage to do all sorts of things we may not even know about now.
1301   RC2006   2020 Apr 1, 5:05pm  

zzyzzx says
https://noqreport.com/2020/04/01/its-time-for-reparations-from-china/

It’s time for reparations… from China


I would think if we did this the rest of the world would also.
1304   RC2006   2020 Apr 1, 6:53pm  

Train engineer tried to crash train into USNS Mercy, fucking crazies.

https://abc7.com/officials-engineer-tried-to-smash-train-into-usns-mercy/6069395/
1305   mell   2020 Apr 1, 7:54pm  

San Francisco county cases by day:

https://missionlocal.org/2020/04/daily-figures-on-sf-coronavirus-cases/

10% or less new infections for the past 5 days. Let's see what the next week brings.
1306   Patrick   2020 Apr 1, 10:33pm  

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/04/01/sean-lennon-rips-news-media-for-wuhan-virus-double-standard-spreading-chinese-communist-data/

Lennon also called out news outlets that have engaged in a double standard by initially calling the illness the “Wuhan virus” only to later tell people that using such terms is racist.

Numerous outlets including CNN, Buzzfeed, and The Washington Post have called the illness the “Wuhan coronavirus” or the “Chinese coronavirus.” But since President Donald Trump started calling it the “Chinese virus,” some of the same outlets have warned that such a name constitutes racist language.
1307   mell   2020 Apr 1, 11:12pm  

Wapo today : "orange!man!bad.exe... as pandemic surges in the US, France and Italy". No. It has been surging in the US as we're the last to be infected and last to peak, but France and Italy have seen new infections below 10% for days far far from its peak many days if not weeks ago. In fact Italy came in at just 4% yesterday thank God. Why are they lying so much? If you look at day to day data it's clear most of Europe has peaked a while ago.
1308   Patrick   2020 Apr 1, 11:55pm  

Yes, deaths in Italy look like they peaked.

1309   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Apr 2, 12:53am  

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
Many are dying uncounted as nation’s stretched health-care system struggles to save the living and accurately gauge human cost

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179
1315   Patrick   2020 Apr 2, 8:47am  

The number of viruses you are exposed to matters:

If I get a higher dose of virus does that mean I will be sicker?
Yes – work on two other coronaviruses: severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers) has shown this, says Willem van Schaik, professor in Microbiology and Infection at the University of Birmingham, says

“On the basis of previous work on Sars and Mers coronaviruses, we know that exposure to higher doses are associated with a worse outcome and this may be likely in the case of Covid-19 as well,” he says.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/viral-load-many-health-workers-getting-sick/

So it's not just a binary "infected or not" thing.

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