This is the second site/forum I belong to that has had a member either murder or be murdered. That being said, both PatNet and the other site have been inspirational.
RIP Turtledove. I'm glad justice has finally been done.
now that case is settled, which police department was it in Patrick? i’ll go file a PRR for the case information. this story saddens me too, she was a cool member here. and then one day out of nowhere post about her being dead was chilling.
typically it’s police that investigates within city limits, county is just jail. but i can be wrong. i’ll call records see what i find out.
Towns/cities don't have courts. Always county, state or federal. It was Orange County for sure if you want to dig in. You're probably gonna have to FOIA it though. Police really have no role outside of initial on site investigation. Basically witness to what happened. Patrick's testimony would be county level.
typically it’s police that investigates within city limits, county is just jail. but i can be wrong. i’ll call records see what i find out.
Towns/cities don't have courts. Always county, state or federal. It was Orange County for sure if you want to dig in. You're probably gonna have to FOIA it though. Police really have no role outside of initial on site investigation. Basically witness to what happened. Patrick's testimony would be county level.
i want to read the police reports. but yeah for testimony is another records request.
i want to read the police reports. but yeah for testimony is another records request.
Court reports of testimony will be better. Police reported it was an accident. They didn't press charges literally until they read comments here and seemingly admitted as much to the media. So what you'd get from local police is gonna be vanilla unless for some reason they redacted their records.
Here's the thing, TD and I never saw things in the same way, however, where we got into a spat was when she defended my sister, who has some version of Histrionic Personality Disorder, as if I were taking my brother-in-law's side of the story ... as if I was betraying a bloodline sister. The fact, however, is that my entire bloodline (parents, cousins, etc) was putting up with the sister for decades. In other words, TD was not some wise and sagacious soul who departs wisdom upon the planet. She's basically a person who lived in a glasshouse, playing indoor baseball and even told me that her marriage was some poster child of a success story. Well, getting murdered by the beloved husband kinda puts a damper on that narrative.
And judging by the limited data, which is now coming out from the closed case, it's pretty obvious that domestic violence was happening in the Sills household for some time, otherwise, Dr Sills wouldn't have left all that incriminating evidence in the bedroom for investigators to find. You don't need the expertise of a Quincy, nor a Crossing Jordan, nor ever a Matlock, to figure this case out. Dr Sills was probably oblivious to that fact and thus, the day when he 'lost his cool' and went for the full strangulation, he probably didn't even consider the fact that evidence was abound, that the Sills household wasn't that of sugar and spice.
We had a case like this in MA where a guy was starting to beat his wife, as a result of job/economic stresses, and when she finally decided to walk out on him, he murdered her and the kids, before blowing his brains out with a shotgun. I think that unlike Dr Sills, he knew that he wasn't getting acquitted so he took his own life instead.
Does he have the opportunity to appeal? Or is this Game, Set, Match?
Appeal what? 12 people found him guilty. Fine. Pay attorneys. A women that age doesn't die from falling down stairs. Injured yes. Husband calls and deals with any wounds, he was a doctor for fucks sake. You're not dead. That's for the elderly. There's no way to slice this. I wasn't in the courtroom. Use some logic is all I'm gonna say. It's obvious he killed her.
Well that's quite the range. Sad overall. Feel bad for the kids
Kids?
These are broken people, they should not have had kids. I've abstained myself. I wouldn't want to put children through my experience. If you have a good childhood, great, repeat it. My parents felt they had an obligation. Both my parents I've eked out had a terrible childhood. My siblings say they had great ones, but who would admit they didn't?
It is also crazy that Patnet played a role in her murder.
That's bullshit. Think about what you are saying. This an outlet, I dump here all the time, as you know. This site does not play a part in my life, it is an outlet. I need an outlet. This moderates me, it doesn't radicalize me, probably to much the shock of people. I'm so frustrated with society.
Sad that patrick.net site has been mentioned couple of times in the show... including some comments and name(s) above! He has been booked under second degree murder for 15 years! @Tenpoundbass you might want to watch it! Did anyone suspect, one of those two investigators in the show was @Strategist! I enjoyed his comments though!
These are broken people, they should not have had kids.
I haven't watched the show yet. Kids "should" make an adult a better person though. From your rants here I actually do appreciate that you didn't have kids for what that's worth if you even take it as a compliment.
I didn't really want kids as a young man. Had them and I wouldn't change a thing. Took my nephew in, wouldn't change a thing. I also also would never in my life imagine harming my wife. It's sad, but at the end of the day there was a sick dude. He probably should have made the decision of not having children like you did. Some can handle it, some can't. Some can handle being married, some can't. This was clearly a case of that.
Note I'll watch it and edit/add on to this comment if I'm wrong. I called it and I wish I was wrong. Can't turn back the clock.
My parents felt they had an obligation. Both my parents I've eked out had a terrible childhood. My siblings say they had great ones, but who would admit they didn't?
You're probably too young to remember that you set the tone of your relationship with your parents in your first 3 to 5 years. Some toddlers are petty spiteful assholes in the making. All of the stuff you broke out of spite and anger when you didn't get your way. Perhaps your siblings were easier to sort out at that age. So they developed a more cohesive bond with their parents.
My two adult daughters were the most easy going, no fuss, no muss kids anyone could have ever had. I felt like I won the kids lottery with those two. I adopted 3 babies back to back, due to unforeseen circumstances. And let me tell you, the difference in those three kids and my first two kids are night and day. I used to think my Dad was a miserable asshole cantankerous curmudgeon, but after these three kids. It got me reminiscing about my actions as a child. I too was a rough row to hoe. It took those kids for me reconcile the fact that my Dad did do a great job in raising me. And all of the discipline I got was my own doing, not because he was a big fat meanie. Actually I liked my teen years with my father better than my early childhood. Once I mellowed out and became someone he could communicate with. We did more together. I have some fond bonding memories of us in my teens. That took these three Little Rascals to jog my memory how my childhood really was. It wasn't as bad as I remembered it was for years. And all of the crap I resented my father for in my childhood was really my own doing.
but after these three kids. It got me reminiscing about my actions as a child. I too was a rough row to hoe. It took those kids for me reconcile the fact that my Dad did do a great job in raising me. And all of the discipline I got was my own doing, not because he was a big fat meanie. Actually I liked my teen years with my father better than my early childhood. Once I mellowed out and became someone he could communicate with. We did more together. I have some fond bonding memories of us in my teens. That took these three Little Rascals to jog my memory how my childhood really was. It wasn't as bad as I remembered it was for years. And all of the crap I resented my father for in my childhood was really my own doing.
This. Most men develop a better relationship with their Dad as they grow from boys to men, understanding that discipline is necessary and how hard a tantruming child can be on their hard working parents, especially the Dad as womyn are used to drama, causing a lot themselves. Asswhoopings are necessary
Also most toddlers and young boys these days are socially inept and completely misbehaved, can't take them anywhere unless you want to be the asshole and make the hosts suffer. Plenty of times where I have advised a parent to give their kid a good spanking or remove them from my vicinity. Thee parents don't do their kids any favor, they ruin their future by making them unsociable. You need both the good and the hard times to mature
Thee parents don't do their kids any favor, they ruin their future by making them unsociable. You need both the good and the hard times to mature
Some parents are not bad but naive or lack of skills trying to make the kid happy ALL the time and miss the opportunity for the kid to learn very important values in time and put him/her on a wrong path inadvertently irrespective of their financial status in my simple observation around. Life is short, karma very likely bites back to address all the bad deeds.
I used to think my Dad was a miserable asshole cantankerous curmudgeon, but after these three kids. It got me reminiscing about my actions as a child. I too was a rough row to hoe. It took those kids for me reconcile the fact that my Dad did do a great job in raising me. And all of the discipline I got was my own doing, not because he was a big fat meanie. ... That took these three Little Rascals to jog my memory how my childhood really was. It wasn't as bad as I remembered it was for years. And all of the crap I resented my father for in my childhood was really my own doing.
I had a similar experience. I thought my dad was awful until later when I realized he was actually a great dad.
haven't watched the show yet. Kids "should" make an adult a better person though. From your rants here I actually do appreciate that you didn't have kids for what that's worth if you even take it as a compliment.
I actually do take this as a compliment.
It is anguish and misery for me to see and to understand the horror people inflict on one another. I can shoulder this, I would never wish to inflict this on another person. I would not shield a child from my knowledge
In my 30s I wanted to truly understand this world, I was smart and arrogant and thought I could surmount anything. If you truly understand the world, it's devastating.
I don't know if the people who run the world are either stupid or evil. I think they may be evil. If they are evil, I cannot seem to prevent it. I cannot seem to prevent them from making what we are told are mistakes if they are merely stupid.
300,000 dead in Ukraine, easily preventable. I was very stupid to dare to look. I really know what it means to stare into the abyss.
If the public could know, I have an obsessive faith they would stop it. We've made the most powerful informational and research tool ever made, I thought we'd end this once nobody was limited. I was wrong about that. I was hoping humanity was better, they are not.
I'll leave this world with people that can be happy with it. I honestly wish them the best. I'm unsatisfied with it to put it very lightly.
I won't give up still. I can't change anything but you are worse, you refuse to see the problem. All the information in the world in front of you right now, and I mean you have access to it at this exact moment, you won't look. You are terribly cruel. It's easy to fix, if you would look. I've done the hard part, you won't even do the easy part.
I had a similar experience. I thought my dad was awful until later when I realized he was actually a great dad.
Are you just prolonging misery? Why does nobody ask this?
Have kids, that's your programming. Nobody deals with the world, they just shove it off for the next generation so it just continues
How criminal do our authorities have to become before you see it, much less revolt? Your children will deal with your inaction and it's not just yours
I am torn between being a predator and a helper. It's so easy to be absolutely evil intellectually. Want to make a social media company? The job to be successful is to monitor the public to exploit them, and abuse all knowledge you gain, prevent open communication, steer the topic toward what the state wants. Who is the state? A psychopathic murderer that creates war for profit, for murder.
You thankfully cannot see this and even if you can you will not show your children so they will remain ignorant and helpless to prevent it. It's a torture to see the world as it really is. You're such a a primitive species. You can all be so much better.
Hope they leave me out of it. Strange the way things blow up. I imagine there will be a flock of people coming to Patnet out of curiosity.
Have some respect for the truth.
I'm not replying to this comment, but there is a tremendous burden of being accurate and truthful.
You seem to have no respect for this, therefore, you must have never had this burden. I'm a small minority in society. Help us
When has truth and honesty ever hurt us in society? I know when lies have have harmed us. Step up.
You have no respect for giving accurate information. Have some respect. You have no concept as to how frustrating you are to me posting Benjamin Fulford's nonsense and other garbage. Passing on bullshit is as detrimental as creating it
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RIP Turtledove. I'm glad justice has finally been done.
Wow, what was the other one?
I would be interested in getting a copy of my testimony. Maybe you can just post it here.
this one? https://www.ocso.com/en-us/
typically it’s police that investigates within city limits, county is just jail. but i can be wrong. i’ll call records see what i find out.
https://orangecountyda.org/
Turnabout is fair play. Muh Principled Conservatism got us to maximum wokeness.
Any student complaining about a Rainbow Flag has probably gotten the same treatment 1000x already, but would never make the Press
Towns/cities don't have courts. Always county, state or federal. It was Orange County for sure if you want to dig in. You're probably gonna have to FOIA it though. Police really have no role outside of initial on site investigation. Basically witness to what happened. Patrick's testimony would be county level.
i want to read the police reports. but yeah for testimony is another records request.
Court reports of testimony will be better. Police reported it was an accident. They didn't press charges literally until they read comments here and seemingly admitted as much to the media. So what you'd get from local police is gonna be vanilla unless for some reason they redacted their records.
She married a freakish psychopathic looking guy, just say'in.
He's a doctor! though!
That's for certain!
Here's the thing, TD and I never saw things in the same way, however, where we got into a spat was when she defended my sister, who has some version of Histrionic Personality Disorder, as if I were taking my brother-in-law's side of the story ... as if I was betraying a bloodline sister. The fact, however, is that my entire bloodline (parents, cousins, etc) was putting up with the sister for decades. In other words, TD was not some wise and sagacious soul who departs wisdom upon the planet. She's basically a person who lived in a glasshouse, playing indoor baseball and even told me that her marriage was some poster child of a success story. Well, getting murdered by the beloved husband kinda puts a damper on that narrative.
And judging by the limited data, which is now coming out from the closed case, it's pretty obvious that domestic violence was happening in the Sills household for some time, otherwise, Dr Sills wouldn't have left all that incriminating evidence in the bedroom for investigators to find. You don't need the expertise of a Quincy, nor a Crossing Jordan, nor ever a Matlock, to figure this case out. Dr Sills was probably oblivious to that fact and thus, the day when he 'lost his cool' and went for the full strangulation, he probably didn't even consider the fact that evidence was abound, that the Sills household wasn't that of sugar and spice.
We had a case like this in MA where a guy was starting to beat his wife, as a result of job/economic stresses, and when she finally decided to walk out on him, he murdered her and the kids, before blowing his brains out with a shotgun. I think that unlike Dr Sills, he knew that he wasn't getting acquitted so he took his own life instead.
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And that's why she married him. TD was the daughter of a surgeon and expected a similar lifestyle as an adult.
Appeal what? 12 people found him guilty. Fine. Pay attorneys. A women that age doesn't die from falling down stairs. Injured yes. Husband calls and deals with any wounds, he was a doctor for fucks sake. You're not dead. That's for the elderly. There's no way to slice this. I wasn't in the courtroom. Use some logic is all I'm gonna say. It's obvious he killed her.
https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/eric-scott-sills-murdered-wife-susann-sills-staged-her-death
Caught the tail end of it. Sad all the way around. Feel bad for the kids and the family.
Exactly. I don't want the scummy networks making money off of her death.
Kids?
These are broken people, they should not have had kids. I've abstained myself. I wouldn't want to put children through my experience. If you have a good childhood, great, repeat it. My parents felt they had an obligation. Both my parents I've eked out had a terrible childhood. My siblings say they had great ones, but who would admit they didn't?
Most people are animals, not people.
That's bullshit. Think about what you are saying. This an outlet, I dump here all the time, as you know. This site does not play a part in my life, it is an outlet. I need an outlet. This moderates me, it doesn't radicalize me, probably to much the shock of people. I'm so frustrated with society.
@Tenpoundbass you might want to watch it!
Did anyone suspect, one of those two investigators in the show was @Strategist! I enjoyed his comments though!
I haven't watched the show yet. Kids "should" make an adult a better person though. From your rants here I actually do appreciate that you didn't have kids for what that's worth if you even take it as a compliment.
I didn't really want kids as a young man. Had them and I wouldn't change a thing. Took my nephew in, wouldn't change a thing. I also also would never in my life imagine harming my wife. It's sad, but at the end of the day there was a sick dude. He probably should have made the decision of not having children like you did. Some can handle it, some can't. Some can handle being married, some can't. This was clearly a case of that.
Note I'll watch it and edit/add on to this comment if I'm wrong. I called it and I wish I was wrong. Can't turn back the clock.
Not sure. Been busy this morning. I think you need Peacock or have watched it live. Someone will get a link here eventually.
You're probably too young to remember that you set the tone of your relationship with your parents in your first 3 to 5 years.
Some toddlers are petty spiteful assholes in the making. All of the stuff you broke out of spite and anger when you didn't get your way. Perhaps your siblings were easier to sort out at that age. So they developed a more cohesive bond with their parents.
My two adult daughters were the most easy going, no fuss, no muss kids anyone could have ever had. I felt like I won the kids lottery with those two. I adopted 3 babies back to back, due to unforeseen circumstances. And let me tell you, the difference in those three kids and my first two kids are night and day. I used to think my Dad was a miserable asshole cantankerous curmudgeon, but after these three kids. It got me reminiscing about my actions as a child. I too was a rough row to hoe. It took those kids for me reconcile the fact that my Dad did do a great job in raising me. And all of the discipline I got was my own doing, not because he was a big fat meanie. Actually I liked my teen years with my father better than my early childhood. Once I mellowed out and became someone he could communicate with. We did more together. I have some fond bonding memories of us in my teens. That took these three Little Rascals to jog my memory how my childhood really was. It wasn't as bad as I remembered it was for years. And all of the crap I resented my father for in my childhood was really my own doing.
This. Most men develop a better relationship with their Dad as they grow from boys to men, understanding that discipline is necessary and how hard a tantruming child can be on their hard working parents, especially the Dad as womyn are used to drama, causing a lot themselves. Asswhoopings are necessary
Some parents are not bad but naive or lack of skills trying to make the kid happy ALL the time and miss the opportunity for the kid to learn very important values in time and put him/her on a wrong path inadvertently irrespective of their financial status in my simple observation around. Life is short, karma very likely bites back to address all the bad deeds.
I had a similar experience. I thought my dad was awful until later when I realized he was actually a great dad.
@thenuttyneutron
How are you watching it? What service?
A post from Ten Pound Bass was read aloud during the show. I kind of wonder what they would have thought about AF's rants.
I actually do take this as a compliment.
It is anguish and misery for me to see and to understand the horror people inflict on one another. I can shoulder this, I would never wish to inflict this on another person. I would not shield a child from my knowledge
In my 30s I wanted to truly understand this world, I was smart and arrogant and thought I could surmount anything. If you truly understand the world, it's devastating.
I don't know if the people who run the world are either stupid or evil. I think they may be evil. If they are evil, I cannot seem to prevent it. I cannot seem to prevent them from making what we are told are mistakes if they are merely stupid.
300,000 dead in Ukraine, easily preventable. I was very stupid to dare to look. I really know what it means to stare into the abyss.
If the public could know, I have an obsessive faith they would stop it. We've made the most powerful informational and research tool ever made, I thought we'd end this once nobody was limited. I was wrong about that. I was hoping humanity was better, they are not.
I'll leave this world with people that can be happy with it. I honestly wish them the best. I'm unsatisfied with it to put it very lightly.
I won't give up still. I can't change anything but you are worse, you refuse to see the problem. All the information in the world in front of you right now, and I mean you have access to it at this exact moment, you won't look. You are terribly cruel. It's easy to fix, if you would look. I've done the hard part, you won't even do the easy part.
Are you just prolonging misery? Why does nobody ask this?
Have kids, that's your programming. Nobody deals with the world, they just shove it off for the next generation so it just continues
How criminal do our authorities have to become before you see it, much less revolt? Your children will deal with your inaction and it's not just yours
I am torn between being a predator and a helper. It's so easy to be absolutely evil intellectually. Want to make a social media company? The job to be successful is to monitor the public to exploit them, and abuse all knowledge you gain, prevent open communication, steer the topic toward what the state wants. Who is the state? A psychopathic murderer that creates war for profit, for murder.
You thankfully cannot see this and even if you can you will not show your children so they will remain ignorant and helpless to prevent it. It's a torture to see the world as it really is. You're such a a primitive species. You can all be so much better.
Have some respect for the truth.
I'm not replying to this comment, but there is a tremendous burden of being accurate and truthful.
You seem to have no respect for this, therefore, you must have never had this burden. I'm a small minority in society. Help us
When has truth and honesty ever hurt us in society? I know when lies have have harmed us. Step up.
You have no respect for giving accurate information. Have some respect. You have no concept as to how frustrating you are to me posting Benjamin Fulford's nonsense and other garbage. Passing on bullshit is as detrimental as creating it
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