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tovarichpeter says

A bill introduced this year in the Washington State legislature would ban single-family zoning across the state, requiring towns with more than 15,000 people to allow duplexes, triplexes, quadplexes, stacked flats, townhouses and courtyard apartments in areas currently zoned for single-family residential.

It doesn’t require the construction of multifamily units. Instead, it allows developers to buy a house in an area containing only single-family homes and replace it with an apartment building. The neighbors won’t be able to do anything to stop it.

So some cunt wants to increase density and make spreading of deadly diseases like COVID-19 easier? Nice.

These people are trying to do something about NIMBY zoning:

https://cayimby.org/

Both places ruled by donkeys so this is not a factor for the sake of comparison.

I think illegal and cheap labor contributes heavily too. There really many reasons.

Our freeways speak volumes of how overcrowded we are.

Fortwaynemobile says

Our freeways speak volumes of how overcrowded we are.

Yes, but we are overcrowded while sitting in our own air-conditioned capsules, not standing on each others toes in some subway car. Which one is more conducive to the respiratory disease transmission?

When we come home we drive into our own garage instead of riding up to the 12th floor in some crowded elevator. Which one is more conducive to the respiratory disease transmission?

"We saw Minneapolis add 12% to its housing stock in just that five-year period, far more than other cities," Alex Horowitz, director of housing policy initiatives at Pew, told NPR.

"The zoning reforms made apartments feasible. They made them less expensive to build. And they were saying yes when builders submitted applications to build apartment buildings. So they got a lot of new housing in a short period of time," says Horowitz.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/17/1229867031/housing-shortage-zoning-reform-cities

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Come back @tovarichpeter

I disagree with this premise.
I have four examples.
Rich people deciding a place is desirable makes it become expensive for locals.
1. Jupiter, Florida, North Palm Beach, Tequesta. These lately became expensive because of an exodus of people from NYC, NJ, CT, who have money. There is rapid construction of new condos, including one Nautilus 2020 in a sketchy section; all units are $1.4 million and above.
2. Santa Cruz, California. The combination of a. University not providing housing for students b. illegals c. high tech remote workers have caused housing to go through the roof.
3. Martha's Vineyard, MA. There were some mansions but mostly small houses for vacation called "camps" by "summer people" and locals had modest houses usually. Locals made their money during the summer season, and went on unemployment or caught bay scallops, etc. in the winter months. Today rich assholes (e.g. Obama) build mansions. It's true however that some places have space requirements in the deeds so dense housing isn't built everywhere. My aunt grew up there and my cousins all sold out and live in other states today.
4. La Paz, Todos Santos, Pescadero, El Sargento Baja California Sur, Mexico. Americans and Canadians are buying up everything in the nice area of La Paz, and there is a ton of new construction. The houses in Todos Santos owned by California people are worth a million bucks. They are building everywhere, even with no services; people install large water tanks and have water delivered by truck every so often.
With remote workers, Mexico is seeing more Americans coming down to pay cheap rent; a guy can share a place and split $500/month with a housemate.

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Today's article about zoning in California and other blue states

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/how-zoning-ruined-the-housing-market-in-blue-state-america-3fa94568

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AD says

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Today's article about zoning in California and other blue states

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/how-zoning-ruined-the-housing-market-in-blue-state-america-3fa94568

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Zoning is primarily county and municipal related. Chicago is a zoning Nazi haven. 100 miles out and you can basically do what you want. As usual, rural is better.

WookieMan says

AD says

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Today's article about zoning in California and other blue states

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/how-zoning-ruined-the-housing-market-in-blue-state-america-3fa94568

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Zoning is primarily county and municipal related.

Yes and most of the major population centers (counties and municipalities) are all the same in these shithole Democrat states as far as being very restrictive in regards to zoning.

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30 year mortgages along with stupid government rules and regulations are what makes housing so expensive.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

30 year mortgages along with stupid government rules and regulations are what makes housing so expensive.

Building. It's a pain in the ass. Been a 2 year process. Custom and not some shit shack. Government can eat shit. I know people too. They fucking dragged their feet for one month. We now have to wait another week to pour the basement slab because of crap temperatures. .

WookieMan says

We now have to wait another week to pour the basement slab because of crap temperatures. .

Are concrete basement walls more common in your area?

AD says

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Today's article about zoning in California and other blue states

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/how-zoning-ruined-the-housing-market-in-blue-state-america-3fa94568

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wsj is as usual full of shit

WookieMan says

Building.

Rather live in a trailer park of a red state than in a mansion within a shithole blue state.

You are an economic prisoner in that very high tax shithole blue state.

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gabbar says

WookieMan says

We now have to wait another week to pour the basement slab because of crap temperatures. .

Are concrete basement walls more common in your area?

Yeah. Tornados. Plus they're (basements) taxed less per sq. ft. 50% less and no one can see what you do down there. So no permits. A two story on a slab would be 100% taxed and you're dead in a tornado.

Also on slab here with a high water table your first floor is washed out in a 5" rain event. Sump pump will handle rain water and I'll bury some cistern for roof runoff for the water.

AD says

Rather live in a trailer park of a red state than in a mansion within a shithole blue state.

You are an economic prisoner in that very high tax shithole blue state.

Fortunately I don't live in Chicago. The rest of the state is 80% red, just doesn't have the population. So I have no problem building here. At some point it will flip red. Either way I/we make good money here. Starting over and networking in another state for business would be a nightmare for 5 years. Not uprooting the kids.

I'll stick to traveling. Also it's not a mansion. It's a 2,400 sq. ft. ranch. 4,800 with basement That's not big in my world. Maybe I'm crazy I guess. We're gonna have 3 teenagers that will be around 6'3" or taller. Current house is a 3/2. Wife wants to entertain and so do I. We're under the 3X rule by about $400k. So not irresponsible about it. Might be able to have it paid off in 5 years. Either of us dies life insurance pays it off and covers the funeral plus some.

We're in good shape. We're building the 4th bed in the basement with escape access for my son. They'll never know. So it's technically a 3/2.5 when inspected but really a 4 or 5/3.5 house. I got my room in the basement for music equipment.

Back to the IL thing being blue. I'm not blue at all, but we make a ton of money off those idiots. It's easy. They're so dumb. Wife has a massive project that might be $200k in our pocket this year. We'll hit $500-600k I think this year. Just in Mexico and she made $10k on vacation.

I bash blue states all the time, but if you can get them to do business, do it. We do well.