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2020 May 17, 2:03pm   909 views  28 comments

by Patrick   follow (59)  

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/taibbi-democrats-have-abandoned-civil-liberties

Democrats clearly believe constituents will forgive them for abandoning constitutional principles, so long as the targets of official inquiry are figures like Flynn or Paul Manafort or Trump himself. In the process, they’ve raised a generation of followers whose contempt for civil liberties is now genuine-to-permanent. Blue-staters have gone from dismissing constitutional concerns as Trumpian ruse to sneering at them, in the manner of French aristocrats, as evidence of proletarian mental defect.

Nowhere has this been more evident than in the response to the Covid-19 crisis, where the almost mandatory take of pundits is that any protest of lockdown measures is troglodyte death wish. The aftereffects of years of Russiagate/Trump coverage are seen everywhere: press outlets reflexively associate complaints of government overreach with Trump, treason, and racism, and conversely radiate a creepily gleeful tone when describing aggressive emergency measures and the problems some “dumb” Americans have had accepting them.

On the campaign trail in 2016, I watched Democrats hand Trump the economic populism argument by dismissing all complaints about the failures of neoliberal economics. This mistake was later compounded by years of propaganda arguing that “economic insecurity” was just a Trojan Horse term for racism. These takes, along with the absurd kneecapping of the Bernie Sanders movement, have allowed Trump to position himself as a working-class hero, the sole voice of a squeezed underclass.

The same mistake is now being made with civil liberties. Millions have lost their jobs and businesses by government fiat, there’s a clamor for censorship and contact tracing programs that could have serious long-term consequences, yet voters only hear Trump making occasional remarks about freedom; Democrats treat it like it’s a word that should be banned by Facebook (a recent Washington Post headline put the term in quotation marks, as if one should be gloved to touch it). Has the Trump era really damaged our thinking to this degree?

My family is in quarantine, I worry about a premature return to work, and sure, I laughed at that Shaun of the Dead photo of Ohio protesters protesting state lockdown laws. But I also recognize the crisis is also raising serious civil liberties issues, from prisoners trapped in deadly conditions to profound questions about speech and assembly, the limits to surveillance and snitching, etc. If this disease is going to be in our lives for the foreseeable future, that makes it more urgent that we talk about what these rules will be, not less — yet the party I grew up supporting seems to have lost the ability to do so, and I don’t understand why.

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10   RC2006   @   2025 Oct 22, 3:52pm  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


“The Democratic Party,” the Times bitterly complained, “is hemorrhaging voters.”

The midterms will show if this is actually true. Do not forget the predicted "Red Wave" that never happened.


Never underestimate republicans ability to throw it for the uniparty.
14   DeficitHawk   @   2025 Oct 28, 9:38am  

Democrats don't really have any sort of grand vision lately.

They worry a lot about 'why the messaging is ineffective' but they struggle to realize that the problem is the lack of vision.

They seem to be trying to make a party who is trying to stich together a constituency from a combination of super progressives, sjw/identity-grievance politics, and anti trump themes. These constituent groups don't have much in common and appealing to each one separately creates a fractured and nonsensical vision. That is where they are at right now.

It seems like it would be easy to write down their basic governing vision for the US and try to appeal to a broader set of people who value social mobility, rule of law, and commitment to democratic process... But they can't seem to break out of their own self destructive behaviors lately.
15   MolotovCocktail   @   2025 Oct 28, 12:04pm  

DeficitHawk says


It seems like it would be easy to write down their basic governing vision for the US


That would require for them to be an actual they.

But there is no 'they' but a weak coalition of various disparate groups. In fact, internal Party hacks call them just that: The Groups.

So, all they got is TDS. As you said, its their ONLY common denominator right now. Forget asking whether it is their best CD or not. Its not really relevant. Oh wait! There's another: their self reinforcing political impotence. That feeds the TDS even more.

I have to force myself to remember this. When I do, I just ignore them. For myTDS friends raging online, I mention this harsh truth once and then don't engage anymore with their threads. The female ones especially do not like being told this reality and their accountability in it. Key word here being accountability. :)


16   DeficitHawk   @   2025 Oct 28, 12:21pm  

I'm a TDS er. I won't vote MAGA, I think it's just recycled populism on the face, combined with overt corruption and democratic backsliding behind the scenes.

But I don't see the Democrats bringing a cogent alternative.

There's a broad set of core values that both sides seem to ignore. I'd vote for either party that builds off the values I mentioned, which I think are core American values. But those politicians are currently considered DINO/RINO and are both on the outs in their respective parties.
17   MolotovCocktail   @   2025 Dec 18, 10:26pm  






And...


18   MolotovCocktail   @   2026 Jan 21, 5:52pm  

Democrats choosing their next candidate in 2028 at their convention in Mexico:





https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/kamala-harris-remains-shockingly-popular-193028554.html
19   HeadSet   @   2026 Jan 22, 1:16pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Kamala Harris remains shockingly popular. Democrats ought to be terrified

Not the Dems handlers that want an easy candidate they can control like they did with Biden.
20   Ceffer   @   2026 Jan 22, 1:34pm  

KamalaToe is only 'popular' amongst the Mockingbird AI amplification computers. Human beings who aren't richly paid off think she's shit on a shingle.
26   Blue   @   2026 Jan 25, 10:24pm  

The_Deplorable says






Good! They can not read signs in English and pose a dangerous risks to the fellow motorists!
27   Patrick   @   2026 Feb 1, 3:15pm  



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